10,000 round G37 Torture Test

[petej88]

For those few poor souls who haven't picked up the yearly Glock 2005 Autopistols mag yet, here's a quick summary of the torture test:

Chuck Taylor performed a 10,000 round torture test of the Glock 37. The G37 was repeatadly exposed to rain, grit, mud, sub-freezing temperatures, and clogged with snow on several occasions, and the G37 was “never” field stripped, detail stripped, or cleaned during this 10,000 round test. Each morning he would subject the G37 to a hazard such as freezing it for three hours, tossing it into snow banks for twenty minutes & then firing it (repeated ten times), burrying it in sand, washing it & then firing it (repeated ten times), tossing it into a creek and then firing it (repeated ten times), tossing it into a mud bottom & then firing it (repeated several times). Each afternoon he tested the G37 with the tough high-speed/low-drag shooting test (ASAA Handgun Combat Master Evauluation Course). This nine stage course entails “high speed weapon presentations from the holster on single targets from one to 50 meters; multiple targets; responses to the right; left and rear; hostage situations and small, partially obscured and angled targets....speed loads, tactical loads and malfunction clearance drills”. 360 points (90%) out of 400 is needed to pass this course. Chuck passed the tough HCM course each afternoon despite the abusive morning torture tests. (see Harris Autopistols 2005 Glock magazine for details).

[kestrou]

Pete,

Sounds great! Does the article go into detail as to what's required in the COF? I'd be interested in seeing if I could break 50% ;f

kestrou

[petej88]

No, Chuck was somewhat general as to the specifics. But we could probably find the info with google. ;) I'll tell you what. We can work as a team. I'll punish the Glock in the morning and you can run the course in the afternoon. ;)

[kestrou]

More info at this link: http://www.chucktaylorasaa.com/combatmaster.html#HGTest . But here's the salient portion:

Stage One - Handgun
The first stage is shot with the handgun. Beginning with the Standard Drills of two shots each, the candidate faces a single Taylor Advanced Combat target. The first exercise is the Speed Rock close-quarters emergency technique: two shots, one second. Next is the Step back, involving a draw and fire two as the candidate steps back from the target-also one second. Following this are standard two-shot drills from three meters in one second, five meters in 1.2 seconds, seven meters in 1.3 seconds, 10 meters in 1.8 seconds, 15 meters in 2.3 seconds, 25 meters in 2.8 seconds and 50 meters in six seconds.
Dextrous handling of his weapons is the hallmark of a Master, and that is just what is required to successfully negotiate the Ambidextrous Drill. The shooter engages three targets at seven meters (having loaded only three rounds in the magazine) and, shooting to slide-lock, executes an emergency reload. Transferring the handgun to the weak hand, the shooter re-engages the three targets again-all under six seconds!

The ability to hit small targets at close range is very necessary because a small target may sometimes be all we have available to shoot. With this in mind, the course requires head shots at seven meters in 1.5 seconds, and at 10 meters in two seconds. The difficulty of pulling this off really hits home when we remember that the Y-ring (cranial cavity) is only three by four inches small! If the candidate has managed to complete the foregoing with at least 180 points from a possible 200, he may then proceed to stage two.

Yikes - I better start practicing! ;f

kestrou

[petej88]

With all due respect for Chuck, I'd prefer to try the course with a clean pistol. ;f

[Rusty Phillips]

I'll supply the powder & cases if someone else supplies the primers and bullets.









I got a half pound of titegroup left - that should be good for another 15 thousand shots or so I would think.

[kestrou]

Hmmm... 1/2 pound is 3500 grains... divided by 15,000 rounds... carry the nine ( :) )... we're at less than a quarter grain per round. I sometimes load light for range work, but that would be a record! ;f

kestrou

[Rusty Phillips]

ok

maybe I should buy another pound or two.;a ;a

[cnarramoore]

I read the article last night. First said it was 2,500 rounds then 12,500 and then he cleaned it at 10,000. Too many typos to kept it straight. For a moment I thought I had typed it up.

[petej88]

Simple misunderstanding of the facts I believe.

Chuck said he picked up 2500 rounds of EACH of five different loads to equal 12,500 rounds.

He fired all 12,500 rounds.

He fired 10,000 rounds before cleaning it because the slide was starting to get a little sluggish from never being field stripped, detail stripped, or cleaned. He would just shake the goo off the gun and continue firing. Cool.

Seems clear to me. ;)

Maybe it's my fault because of the subject title saying 10,000 instead of 12,500, although that's just what I focused on. Chuck will just keep shooting more rounds through the pistol and give us updates occasionally.

[Rikki]

Call me silly, but what is/does this test prove that hasn't already been proven(and beat to death)...
What is there to "prove"?What is the G37-38-39 gonna act differently that the 17 after its been in the ice block,handful of mud yada yada yada It's a GlOCK-it's gonna work...
After the trigger is pulled, you got powder residue, lead residue, some sheared copper and maybe some fried oil(if you're inclined to oil your GLOCK...Is somebody trying to say that the ammount of residue froma 9mm is gonna not be as bad as the residue from a .45??
If that's the premise- then the "test" means nothing, because of the variations in ctg mfgs...I just don't think the G-37 is gonna act any differently that a G-26 or a G22 or a "G"anything.
It's a GLOCK! for christ's sake, why is it "WORKING" making front page news???? That's kinda insulting our intelligence.Glock DOES try these things out before they market them...Taylor ain't got nuthin' better to do with his time?
duh

[petej88]

A fair amount of people have said they won't buy the G37 until it has been proven. The test helps a little just as the folks who buy and speak up, I guess.

[Rikki]

Pete- I guess I said a good bit of that "tounge in cheek";and let me preface this by saying that I carry a '37 everyday,so I'm a believer in the gun.
I feel that YOU have provided more information about the 45GAP caliber than some "gun writer" EVER has....So "THANKS" upfront.
I based my purchasing of the '37 based (partially) on your data- Not Chuck Taylors "torture test".
You data shows that the caliber(45GAP) will function in a stock pistol over a wider range of bullet weights and velocities than a 45 Auto will...The '37 will digest and reliably function with loads as "slow" as 590fps(If I'm recalling your data correctly)-and of course on the upper end the speedometer stops somewhere around 1200fps...
Now- to contrast- I got a target 1911 with special WOLFE springs in it- and it shoots 185gr lead hp swc at 720fps- and that's all it will shoot! It's a special gun for a specific purpose.But, the '37...it'll shoot and function reliably over a wider range of velocities than any other production gun that I can find...It's(as near as I can tell) a function of slide mass/spring weight/ctg length/pistol cycle length/ and a few other more minor factors...Now...Will the 38-39 do the same thing? I dunno- there's the test! We know the slide mass is different-(less) so we know the springs have got to be tuffer to make up the difference...It'll be interesting to see how the new Glocks hold up to Mr. Newton's Laws...