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I know this forum is mainly for goofs on cheap guns, but might as well.... My brother has a Bryco .380 (unsure of model #) It shoots OK, but he says if you put more than about 4 rds in the mag that it will jam. Anyone have this problem with the same pistol? Any quick fixes?
walpur6isknight
02-20-2005, 01:14
i say tell him to loose it all together. not very many people know the story about the guy that owned that company. or the horrible thing he did.
edited to add---i read something online about it, ill try to find it and post it on this thread for yas!!!
Wasn't that the company that changed the manual and gun gun to require it to be "off saftey" to take apart to overcome some design flaw?
Very shady company - if this is the one I am thinking of, they used a bunch of corporate law tricks to stay in business and produced guns of VERY questionable design (in some arguments, tailored to people who would likely commit a crime with a gun).
You can get decent guns cheap - sell the POS Bryco, and get something reputable. A Makarov, a Bersa, etc....
walpur6isknight
02-20-2005, 21:37
affirmative. that is in fact exactly what happened. he found out one of his designs was extremely unsafe, i mean more unsafe that your average SNS, so he did shift his assets and use some loopwholes to avoid a lawsuit and continue making them, changed the companies name 2 or 3 times i believe, had it under his daughters name at one point, who knows who elses.
crook, evil crook, i wonder what happened to that man,.
4 shots without a jam I wonder if that is a record? Any input from the audience?
That is pretty low..... but thankfully its my brothers gun and not mine :) It looks exactly like a Jennings. Is it the same kind of gun? And if so, how come no one on here has said anything about them yet? Seeing as how it was suggested to be the name of the forum...
Jennings and Bryco are one in the same. I don't know much about 9mm's, but I've shot one of their .22's...I'd rather even shoot a Davis. Even WITH the zinc frame and all.
Originally posted by walpur6isknight
crook, evil crook, i wonder what happened to that man,.
The company was sued by Brandon Maxfield's family. Brandon's babysitter shot him while trying to unload the pistol. The lawsuit was an attempt to drive the company into bankruptcy, which it did, and then Brandon's family would use the proceeds to purchase the inventory and destroy whatever guns were left.
When Bryco went into bankruptcy, Brandon's family lost the auction to purchase it to Jenning's production manager and the company is now called Jimenez arms.
Some info:
http://www.brandonsarms.org/lawsuit.php
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=144504
http://www.detnews.com/2003/specialreport/0312/16/a01-7206.htm
Bryco's and all incarnations are cheap crap, and their design may be flawed, but the flaw itself is not having to take off the safety to unload the chamber. If that is the case, scrap your Browning HiPower and 1911 before you shoot someone by accidentally pointing the gun at them while unloading it. And, along the same line, I have never considered a magazine disconnect to be a form of a safety as one of the articles mentions.
I know Jennings is cheap crap, and would never own one. But does anyone know particulars of this case? Chances are, the babysitter might have had his/her finger on the trigger while unloading, and pulled too hard with one hand, pushed too hard with the other...that can make a gun go "bang."
Not saying this is fact, but it's a possibility.
I think that was the case. She had removed the magazine and pulled the trigger while trying to rack the slide to empty the chamber.
She was named in the suit, but for a much less amount than Bryco paid.
At the time, there were many articles floating around with more details.
engineer151515
02-22-2005, 21:49
Darn
Ask a serious question around here and what do you get?
SERIOUS ANSWERS!!
Wow
:)
ChuteTheMall
02-22-2005, 23:15
How can I unload my Glock 30 without taking the safety off?
Is it OK to point the muzzle at a child's head while trying to figure out how to unload it?
Chute,
The Detroit News link is actually part of a series of articles.
If you click "next article" a few times, there is one specifically on Glocks detailing how you're an accident waiting to happen.
sjfrellc
02-23-2005, 17:21
Back to the original question. Once I had an employee claim her .380 auto PPK would jam on the 4th bullet. (and she said that therefore she would only load 3 in the magazine for self defense because that was all the gun was good for).
I asked her to take it to the range and I functioned fine for me. My diagnosis was limp wristing on her part because of the snappy recoil and a flinch like problem. I can't prove that but it could be the case for small .380s. Just my 2 cents.
GSD17
sjfrellc reminded me that I didn't address the original question either.
How many magazines do you have? It is likely that there is a kink or something in the magazine spring that is coming into play when you compress it beyond a certain point, in your case four rounds.
The easiest way to test this is to have a second magazine and see if it does the same thing.
If that is the case, you could buy a replacement spring or maybe another new magazine if it costs less than an aftermarket spring.
And, regarding the suit against Bryco, here is the latest:
http://www.ktvu.com/news/4227063/detail.html
sjfrellc
02-25-2005, 21:07
Limp wristing causes jams in small light guns (http://ktrange.com/articles/a8/a8.html)
It has holes in the side of the mag, I just figured that the follower was getting caught in one of the holes or something, either way, he just wised up and bought a G17!;c
the problem is most likely magazine related. I do not own one of these but all the byrcos I have shot in 32 or 380 could be made reliable by woking on the magazine, even the hi cap versions. Also check the feed ramp obviously, they can be very rough. Not a horibly bad SNS they just need some work sometimes. This is the case with many SNS and other guns. Most SNS can work reliably, especially in 25,32,&380, its just a matter of a little filing and polishing hear and there. The beauty of them are that if you screw one up it is no big deal. That was actually the reason I started getting them in the first place, to practice working on guns and see if I could get them to work. Some of the 22s though never work ;g .
Hey I dont see anything wrong with braco changing names to jennins or j-co whatever.It has nothing to do with making unsafe guns. Come on the woman coulda done the same thing with most any semi auto Browning HP and Smith and Wesson are the only 2 that have a mag disconect ,colt 1911 sure as heck dont or beretta 92FS.My baby sitter blows my head off so my family sues the gun manufacture for making an unsafe firarm....hmmmmmmm sure a lawsuit only in America;;g
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