H&K Recommendation Please

[Short Cut]

Hey guys. How about an assist here? What would be a good H&K for me?

I primarily like to shoot 1911s and Glocks. I like the short trigger reset on these guns although I prefer a single action trigger. I mainly like to shoot .45 ACP, but I also like to shoot 9mm. This would not be a carry gun and probably wouldn't be a HD gun either just a high quality range gun that's something different to shoot.

Let me know if you need more info. Any suggestions will be appreciated.

[lesterm]

I really like the SA trigger on my USP Compact 9mm. The DA trigger, however, leaves much to be desiered, so I simply don't use the DA trigger. I've also heard good things about the P7, which is likely to be my next H&K purchase, although I've never shot it.

[Clyde]

I am a big fan of the same trigger pull. So I find 1911 & Glocks to be my favorites.

I had an early USP and I really liked the feel of the gun. I don't recall the DA trigger more than likely it was as lesterm said.

I really like the P7 series but I must say the trigger reset is long when comparied to 1911 or Glock - it has not caused me any issues but just to give you a heads up. I recommend the P7 but shoot one first.

I have shot a P9 target (once) in 45ACP don't remember much about it specificlly but I do remember liking it alot.

:)

Best of luck

[bac1023]

I agree with the others, the USP is an outstanding pistol.

[muscles]

i bought an hk usp compact 45 to accompany my colt lw commander 1911. both 45, both similar functions and manual saftey, both hold 8+1 rds. both approx the same size and weight. im torn between the two. both are great shooters. if you like 1911's, you'll enjoy the usp compact 45. i go back and forth between the two.

[SilverState]

cdnn has a good deal on a .45 od green hk usp

[Short Cut]

I'll bet the USP is a great pistol. At this time I'd like to go with a full size USP or I'm also considering these two:

H&K USP 5.2" BBL EXPERT LONGSLIDE .45 ACP
H&K USP 6" BBL ELITE LONGSLIDE .45 ACP


Any feedback on these or comparisons to the USP for a range gun?

[bac1023]

Originally posted by Short Cut
I'll bet the USP is a great pistol. At this time I'd like to go with a full size USP or I'm also considering these two:

H&K USP 5.2" BBL EXPERT LONGSLIDE .45 ACP
H&K USP 6" BBL ELITE LONGSLIDE .45 ACP


Any feedback on these or comparisons to the USP for a range gun?
If I was going to spend money on an fullsize HK .45, I would go all the way and get a Mark 23. That being said, the two you mentioned are great guns. :)

[SilverState]

I got my 45 tac for $900. It is awesome. However, I could have used the $250 saved by going with a regular 45 usp to buy five more 12rnders.

As for the mark, I don't think any pistol is worth almost two grand. But that's me.

[Short Cut]

I couldn't get the 23 even if I wanted to because it isn't on CA's silly list.

[bac1023]

Originally posted by Short Cut
I couldn't get the 23 even if I wanted to because it isn't on CA's silly list.
That's a crime.

[flyandscuba]

Three options: An HK P7, a P7M8, or a P7M13. Now out of production -- limited to dealer stock on hand or a resale. An opportunity to get a very high quality range gun -- and something that will continue to increase in value over time.

Once you shoot it, you'll decide to carry it. :)

[bac1023]

Originally posted by flyandscuba
Three options: An HK P7, a P7M8, or a P7M13. Now out of production -- limited to dealer stock on hand or a resale. An opportunity to get a very high quality range gun -- and something that will continue to increase in value over time.

Once you shoot it, you'll decide to carry it. :)
That's exactly why I bought mine. I figured the prices would start to rise and they would become increasing difficult to find, especially new.

[wade farley]

:cool: Any USPc. You can't go wrong!;f

[whatsit?]

Consider the LEM trigger for a lighter, more consistant pull.

[PaleGreenHorse]

Since you stated more than likely for HD I would like to suggest the USP fullsize chambered in whatever tickles you. No need for a compact if your not trying to conceal it.

[Catbird]

I have both a HK USP .45 fullsize in stainless and a HK P7M8. They are both very good guns and I get a lot of enjoyment shooting them at the range. Before deciding, I would have to try the P2000 DA/SA version. I heard some very favorable comments about the P2000.

[CZ-75]

If you like the 1911 trigger, the obnly HK that comes close is the P9S, and even it has a longer reset. BUT, the P9S has the best trigger on a SA/DA pistol... bar none.

[arnold ziffle]

short , i have an expert that is one of the few pistols i own that will shoot one inch groups at 25 yards.if you cant wait til mar 20 contact me and and we will go shoot it.

[Short Cut]

Originally posted by flyandscuba
Three options: An HK P7, a P7M8, or a P7M13. Now out of production -- limited to dealer stock on hand or a resale. An opportunity to get a very high quality range gun -- and something that will continue to increase in value over time.

Once you shoot it, you'll decide to carry it. :)

I bought a P7M8 Anniversary model last week. It's so nice looking I almost don't want to shoot it.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/upload/976510796-1.jpg (http://www.hk-usa.com/index.jsp?loc=101&SITEID=A&PartNumber=045002)

I also handled a USP Expert .45 which felt great. Since these are still being made though I can get on later.

[HAMMERHEAD]

The USP series don't have as short of a trigger reset as Glock or 1911, however it is better than Sig.
As others have said, the D/A stroke is not H&K's strong point. I had a .45acp Tactical that was great. I ordered a detent plate ($10) that converted it to varient 9, safety-no decocker, so it was like a 1911 and I could ride the safety with my thumb. Awsome accuracy and 100% reliability. I got stupid one day and traded it in on a 9mm Elite. That was an great gun too, but just too much for a 9mm. I own a full size .40 now and I'm hanging on to it, and getting the 9mm version for practice.
I believe H&K does the .45acp the best, and if you have the bucks, I would recomend the Expert in .45acp.
The Tactical is just a fancy standard model and the Elite is too long IMO. The Expert gives you a slightly longer slide, O-ring barrel, match trigger group and adjustable sights.

[bac1023]

Originally posted by HAMMERHEAD
The USP series don't have as short of a trigger reset as Glock or 1911, however it is better than Sig.
As others have said, the D/A stroke is not H&K's strong point. I had a .45acp Tactical that was great. I ordered a detent plate ($10) that converted it to varient 9, safety-no decocker, so it was like a 1911 and I could ride the safety with my thumb. Awsome accuracy and 100% reliability. I got stupid one day and traded it in on a 9mm Elite. That was an great gun too, but just too much for a 9mm. I own a full size .40 now and I'm hanging on to it, and getting the 9mm version for practice.
I believe H&K does the .45acp the best, and if you have the bucks, I would recomend the Expert in .45acp.
The Tactical is just a fancy standard model and the Elite is too long IMO. The Expert gives you a slightly longer slide, O-ring barrel, match trigger group and adjustable sights.
Call me crazy, but I plan taking the plunge and buying a new Mark 23 sometime this year. They're expensive, but awesome shooting guns.

[HAMMERHEAD]

Yeah, I shot the MK23 a couple times. Great shooter, soft recoil. There has been one sitting on my dealers shelf for about four years now. The price has come down to about $1,800. A few more years and I might buy it!
I have even heard that some Spec Ops types have purchasd Tacticals cause they're a little smaller, but have the same features. Of course that may be internet b.s.

[Short Cut]

Originally posted by HAMMERHEAD
The Expert gives you a slightly longer slide, O-ring barrel, match trigger group and adjustable sights.

What function does the O-ring barrel barrel perform? How well does it hold up? Is it easy to replace when worn?

[bac1023]

I love the looks of that glossy maritime finish on the Mark 23. It helps set it apart from the tactical, expert, and elite.

[HAMMERHEAD]

What function does the O-ring barrel barrel perform? How well does it hold up? Is it easy to replace when worn?
The O-ring forces the barrel to lock up the front of the slide more consistantly than steel to steel contact. They will hold up for many thousands of rounds and are very easy to replace. They usually come with five of them which will last a lifetime. The pistol will also function just fine without them.
http://www.hkpro.com/
http://www.streetpro.com/usp/index.html
http://www.hkpro.com/uspexpert.htm

[cole]

Originally posted by Short Cut
Hey guys. How about an assist here? What would be a good H&K for me?

I primarily like to shoot 1911s and Glocks. I like the short trigger reset on these guns although I prefer a single action trigger. I mainly like to shoot .45 ACP, but I also like to shoot 9mm. This would not be a carry gun and probably wouldn't be a HD gun either just a high quality range gun that's something different to shoot.

Let me know if you need more info. Any suggestions will be appreciated.

For a "range gun" I'd go with the G17 or G24. Cheap parts and accessories and cheap 9mm ammo are hard to beat. Our G17 shoots well, is VERY easy to clean and works well even if not cleaned regularly.

I really like our USP40c as a defensive option, but it's not a range gun. In HK for range use, I'd go USP full-size in 9mm all the way. If I could spring fr it, I'd get a HK Tactical or Elite in 9mm, but that's $900-$1500. Our HK is a bit harder to clean (quickly) due to design).

[Rob72]

Originally posted by Short Cut
Hey guys. How about an assist here? What would be a good H&K for me?

just a high quality range gun that's something different to shoot.



That description screams "P7";f

[CZ-75]

Yep, P7 or a P9S

[WDE-G19]

I shot the P7, a P7M8 for the first time today, a rental at a local range. A buddy from G/T went with, we had a great time. I was reluctant to finally rent one because I just knew a $10 rental could turn into a $1000 (or more!) purchase. I've wanted a P7 for 10 years, but could never see spending that much loot on a gun in the past. Instead I've owned 6 Glocks, and am pretty used to them.

It was a bit surprising to pick up a gun that I've never shot before, and proceed to shoot better than I have with guns that I've shot for years with little effort (Glocks), but that's exactly what happened to me today with that P7.

Yes, the gun heats up quickly because the gas operated design. Yes, it's a little heavy, and the P7M8 only carries 8 rounds of 9mm. However, the pistol points GREAT in my hands, is certainly more accurate than me, has a very soft recoil impulse, is easy to double tap with, and the trigger... is sublime, not as short a reset as a 1911, but very smooth and easy to learn.

I've shot USPs. They do have advantages over the P7, of being a simpler, perhaps more durable design, have a more durable finish, are readily available, and offer more options in caliber and models, barrel lengths, DA/SA/LEM, etc. However, IMHO, they are not a step forward in terms of pure shootability to the P7. You have to get used to that squeeze cocker, but after that easy chore, it's just plain easy to hit what you're aiming at quickly with the gun.

If it were me in the market for an HK, the choice between buying a $700 or more USP or a P7M8 for a bit more would be an easy one. Look at it this way... even if the P7 is not for you, which is unlikely, you will certainly get your money back reselling it.

[flyandscuba]

If you want a NIB P7 -- get it now. Production for the P7M8 and P7M13 has ceased. What is in the US distribution chain is all that's coming in to the US market.

For something a little different, consider one of the Jubilee editions (1 of 500 produced).

I just recieved my matched consecutive pair of Jubilees (#'s less than 100) a couple of weeks ago for the bargain price of $1399 each. No, I'm not planning on shooting them since I have another P7M8 and a P7 PSP to shoot and carry, but the Jubilees sure look nice and have all the 25th anniversary goodies including a wooden presentation case.

One you break down and join "The Cult" by purchasing your first P7, you'll find yourself buying more. Don't worry about the 8+1 capacity. If you put 9 where they'll do some good, it is better than carrying a 14-rounder that may or may not hit your intended target during a stressful situation....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v250/flyandscuba/p7m8jubilee89.jpg

[WDE-G19]

Very nice gun fly. I'm so jealous, you have four?

Ever try the P7M13? I'm 6'4" with big hands, I think that gun would work nicely for me.

[flyandscuba]

Yeah, they're like potato chips -- you can't stop with just one.

I did have a P7M13 for a while. The added thickness of it didn't produce as good of range results for me. It would make a nice duty weapon (which I didn't need), but was not easy or comfortable to conceal. The added weight of the loaded double stack magazine makes it a little "butt heavy" in my opinion.

My P7 PSP is the easiest to carry and conceal due to it's slightly smaller dimensions. It is the perfect CCW 9mm. The P7M8 is more comfortable at the range because of the added heat shield in the trigger guard area.

I thought about adding the P7M10 (.40 S&W) to my collection, but it is even bulkier and heavier than the P7M13. I would like to get a P7K3 someday...