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AntiOsama
03-24-2005, 11:01
Im in school right now and my teacher said i needed to do something related to english. I had to pick something i knew alot about I picked guns. She said should semi auto be aloud for hunting i said ''yes becuase some people can't work the bolt lever pump what ever''. She said real hunters should know how to. So i want to know what you guys think because most of you go hunting. I assume.

nickE10mm
03-24-2005, 11:30
of course semi autos should be allowed for hunting

noway
03-24-2005, 11:35
I'm confused, Who said they wheren't?

I've hunted with semi-auto shotguns,pistols and on a few occassion rifle. You get no real advantage unless youre bird hunting, since most animals don't stay around for a second, third or fourth shot,etc......

mudfootball
03-24-2005, 11:38
Interesting question from a teacher, almost as if she has come upon the topic some where else. Here in PA its a no-no with rifles. And to be honest is the second shot any more accurate from a semi-than with a bolt. No Im not talking AR-15's with high caps, but hunting rifles. and besides with pumps and other manipulative actions i know some hunters that can really rattle off some rounds that from a distance you would swear it was semi fire. Now in the way of shotguns, i am the semi's biggest fan, its just more efficient, if i am in a pair of hunters and 4 geese come in i can bring four down before two of my buddies with pumps can get one and shuck the gun. Now there are some fast shuckers out there its just easier for me to not worry about the slide, for some reason knowing how easy that second shot is to have makes my first shot much more confident. (beretta 390 silver mallard)
One thing i have heard this topic in relation to is "if we don't need them for hunting why do we need semi-auto rilfes" for the record that was another college edjucated teacher
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CanadianGlockFan
03-24-2005, 11:42
Yes, they should be allowed, but these idiot "hunters" (read: sky-busters and sound-shooters) who try to use them to make up for accuracy need to be soundly beaten.

nickE10mm
03-24-2005, 11:46
Originally posted by CanadianGlockFan
Yes, they should be allowed, but these idiot "hunters" (read: sky-busters and sound-shooters) who try to use them to make up for accuracy need to be soundly beaten.

So true....

GUNZEALOT
03-24-2005, 12:07
Semi-auto should be allowed. I can rack the slide of my pump almost as fast as my buddy shoots his semi-auto. I don't think speed should be taken into consideration. Plus we have a 3 round limit in the gun for waterfowl, so it's up to you how fast you shoot. Also there are bag limits so you can only shoot so many. I like my pump but I wish I had a semi auto for the simplicity.

nickE10mm
03-24-2005, 12:57
I agree.... i can rack the slide on my Rem 870 12ga as fast as any semi auto gun (just because thats what I learned to shotgun with...) and can throw the bolt on my Rem 700 ALMOST as fast as a S.A. weapon.

What matters is HOW the gun is used, not what kind of gun it is.

Michigun
03-24-2005, 14:23
If semi-autos canít be used for hunting anymore then I think itís only fair that SUVís canít be used on the roads anymoreÖ Iím not saying to ban SUVís all together Iím just saying that they can only be used in sanctioned off-road areas. ;f

ithaca_deerslayer
03-25-2005, 08:56
If this is an English assignment, then look at it from the perspective of writing and logic.

Ask the question, "why should not a semi-auto be allowed?" What are the detriments? Can you find any?

The semi offers a well aimed shot, just like a single shot action, and quick follow-up shots if needed. A semi can be just as accurate as the typical hunting single shot or bolt action. So, what is the difference? Shoot once and the animal goes down. If a follow up shot is needed, it may be delivered even quicker or more accurately than a single or bolt action, because you don't have to re-shoulder the gun.

The semi, because of the way the action works, may also dampen recoil some. This can help accuracy if it makes you less likely to flinch. And it can also help you use the right caliber for the job, because you won't be as worried about the recoil.

Do any of these semi-automatic rifle attributes really change the way you hunt? The biggest fear perhaps is that someone with a semi will just start shooting wildly with a "spray and pray" mentality. NY, however, limits the number of rounds a hunting rifle can hold to 6. Perhaps magazine capacity should be the concern for hunting, rather than the type of action. Either way, most responsible hunters will only shoot one well aimed shot at a time, and will not take more game than is allowed by law. The action of the rifle they use is irrelavant. Even a hunter with a single shot rifle can exceed the game limits for any day if they wish to. So, if something is already against the law there is no reason to make additional laws to prevent that behavior. Instead, existing laws could be enforced and the problem solved. Making laws against using semis for hunting would be more about irrational fears than legitimate concerns about hunting.

AntiOsama
03-25-2005, 14:30
Im, 100% for hunting with semis i my self hunt with a bolt action on big game and use a small .22lr for small things since you don't want to rune the fur or what ever. If i went varmit hunting from long range i would use a ar-15 and thats semi. My english teach fells it's wrong to pump a deer full of lead and i agree. Some of you said it wont be around for the second shot i do think it will i have seen deer not even run after the first and just look at you. I am sure i can pump a 5 round plus 1 in the chamber into a deer before it takes 10 steps.

Michigun
03-25-2005, 14:54
Originally posted by AntiOsama
Some of you said it wont be around for the second shot i do think it will i have seen deer not even run after the first and just look at you.

No offence meant by this, but you may be a little young to have enough experience with this... sure some deer may just hang around after the 1st missed shot, maybe even after the 2nd or 3rd miss, but most know enough to get the heck outta there after one round. I believe the latter is the norm.

(FYI, Iíve personally never seen one hang around after being hit eitherÖ except for the ones that go right down of course. ;))

Originally posted by AntiOsama
I am sure i can pump a 5 round plus 1 in the chamber into a deer before it takes 10 steps.

What are you shooting to do this? I ask because I certainly can't put out 6 rounds of 12-gauge sabots, with any kind of accuracy, that fast.

ithaca_deerslayer
03-25-2005, 15:26
I agree with michigun.

You fire one well aimed shot. The deer...
A. drops on the spot.
B. drops and gets back up.
C. runs off.
D. does not run.

D is likely a miss, and the rare instance where the deer does not run off. A good follow up shot is warranted (assuming the miss was a fluke).

C is common for a good fatal hit, and also for a miss. Either way, there is no reason to be shooting follow-up shots at the running deer. If it was a good hit, it will die within 100 yards. If it was a miss, you don't want to take risky running shots.

B allows you time to take a good follow up shot if you want to.

wade farley
03-25-2005, 22:23
Originally posted by AntiOsama
Im in school right now and my teacher said i needed to do something related to english. I had to pick something i knew alot about I picked guns. She said should semi auto be aloud for hunting i said ''yes becuase some people can't work the bolt lever pump what ever''. She said real hunters should know how to. So i want to know what you guys think because most of you go hunting. I assume. :cool: I hope your English gets better! Remember, don't asume anything! Ass out of you,& Me! I hope you do well. No matter what happens, Have fun & stay safe!!;z ;f

liv2hunt
03-26-2005, 23:01
I would check up on AntiOsama's other posts before continuing to answer him/her. Just an FYI.

AntiOsama
03-27-2005, 13:02
Originally posted by Michigun
No offence meant by this, but you may be a little young to have enough experience with this... sure some deer may just hang around after the 1st missed shot, maybe even after the 2nd or 3rd miss, but most know enough to get the heck outta there after one round. I believe the latter is the norm.

(FYI, Iíve personally never seen one hang around after being hit eitherÖ except for the ones that go right down of course. ;))



What are you shooting to do this? I ask because I certainly can't put out 6 rounds of 12-gauge sabots, with any kind of accuracy, that fast.

For starters there are .22 magnum pump rifles and you can hunt deer with them in maine. I wouldn't but there are people that do.

wanderinwalker
03-27-2005, 15:06
English teacher in Maine asking about whether or not semi-autos should be legal to hunt with? Oh yeah, I forgot that up there you had a lady came up with the money and now owns and has closed a large chunk of (former?) paper land to hunting. At least I think that is how that worked out. All I really remember was that she was praised as being some kind of environmental hero on the back page of Backpacker magazine.

Semi for hunting? Sure, why not?

BillK@tcmhmrs.o
03-28-2005, 14:32
I hunt squirrels with a semi-auto Ruger mark II handgun. There are lots of types of hunting and different calibers. There are some nice semi-auto centerfire rifles out there as well. The Remington model 7400 in .308 and .30-'06 come to mind. Use of semiautos depends on local regulations that are formulated by lawmakers and some locales have input from special interest groups such as NRA etc, but not all areas. There is nothing intrinsicly 'wrong' or unsportsmanship about semiautomatic rifles or handguns used in hunting. It simply is the method by which a bullet is introduced into a chamber for use. I wouldn't guess what agenda if any your teacher may have in having you pose the question. She might just want you to list and compare the pros and cons of bolt-action vs semiauto hunting arms, the differences in safety needs, ammo selection, permissability of use in various regions and maybe the historical evolution of different types of firearms. You have a thesis, just flesh it out with examples and data!

AntiOsama
03-30-2005, 10:17
Assume is spelt Assume becuase my english teacher said so. She said remeber it like Assume makes a Ass u me or it makes a ass out of you and me or something like that so it is assume you ****in ******* red neck.

Hoingshiba
03-30-2005, 11:11
First off, a gun forum is not the right place to pull the redneck card, since the majority of us already fit in there anyhow. Second, if you are going to get defensive about your grammar, make sure that you are grammatically correct in doing so. For example...
"makes a Ass" would actually need to be changed to "makes an ass."
Also, the second sentence of your last post is a run on with very poor construction and organization. Remember, if you can't take it you shouldn't dish it out.
Sincerely, from one redneck to some sniveling New England schoolboy...GIT-R-DONE!!!

Tommy Gunn
03-31-2005, 20:17
If people are using the firepower of semi-auto rifles to make up for a lack of marksmanship, then they should not be allowed for hunting.

Anything that will keep the slobs out of the woods is a good thing IMO.

RMTactical
03-31-2005, 20:32
Should I be allowed to drive a car that can drive faster than the speed limit?

badhunter1234
04-02-2005, 17:28
It not too aloud if you cover da ears. Good luck with yo English sinement. Teacher sound very cool -- she like bote action rifel.

Sorry about that -- the word you were looking for is "allowed". You might want to run spell checker and grammer check before turning in your assignment.

cdogg44
04-09-2005, 11:46
I'll tell you why semi auto shotguns shouldn't be allowed for duck hunting...I go through waaaay to many shells a season now that I switched from a pump!

If I had to give up my semi auto for duck hunting I'd probably quit it altogether. I love my SBEII!

USPcompact
04-11-2005, 11:14
Originally posted by liv2hunt
I would check up on AntiOsama's other posts before continuing to answer him/her. Just an FYI.

That's what I was going to add.

Walter45Auto
04-12-2005, 22:16
Originally posted by nickE10mm
I agree.... i can rack the slide on my Rem 870 12ga as fast as any semi auto gun ......


My dad's Winchester 1300 is one fast (and smooth BTW) pumping shotgun, due to Winchester's inertia assisted pumping system.


http://www.winchesterguns.com/prodinfo/catalog/category.asp?cat=012C


To answer the original question, Yes semi autos should be allowed (I bought an SKS as my first gun, with intent to use it as a deer rifle), but they get worlds of bad press because of those afore mentioned idiots who shoot at sound and the like.


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Arc Angel
04-12-2005, 22:37
:) 'Should Semi Auto Be Aloud For Hunting?' Now this has to be one of the all time best thread titles!

Kudos! ;f

GU-47
04-17-2005, 17:41
Yes they should be allowed

I have an AK with 75 round drum on it for deer hunting. The drum isnt full because it would be too heavy, I have 5 shells in there.

One a side note I am sick of people that say something like "real hunters only nee done shot" or the like. I think it is funny because it seems to come from elitest (if that is a good enough word) hunters who think they are sooo awesome because they have killed all of their "hundreds" of deer with one shot each. I dont see the big deal if someone wants to use any gun as long as it is used safely

king catfish
04-17-2005, 19:03
Originally posted by badhunter1234
Sorry about that -- the word you were looking for is "allowed". You might want to run spell checker and grammer check before turning in your assignment.

While we're nitpicking, "grammer" is actually spelled "grammar". Perhaps you should heed your own advice in regard to the spellchecker.

noway
04-17-2005, 21:56
{I have an AK with 75 round drum on it for deer hunting. The drum isnt full because it would be too heavy, I have 5 shells in there.
}
and in most states that i've hunted in, you would be illegal, regardless if you had 1 or 5 rounds in the drum.

btw: shells is what I use in my shotgun. I've never heard of a an AK47 using shells unless it was a saiga ( since we are all nit picking
;) )

GU-47
04-18-2005, 00:29
Originally posted by noway
{I have an AK with 75 round drum on it for deer hunting. The drum isnt full because it would be too heavy, I have 5 shells in there.
}
and in most states that i've hunted in, you would be illegal, regardless if you had 1 or 5 rounds in the drum.

btw: shells is what I use in my shotgun. I've never heard of a an AK47 using shells unless it was a saiga ( since we are all nit picking
;) )

I was told by a po lice officer, a dealer, and a game warden it was all legal to hunt with a clip of any size.

Yeah the shell thing, my bad, I spend most of my time over at shotgun world and guess I was just in a shotgun mind set

and
dont bring me into this little nit picking war

Walter45Auto
04-18-2005, 10:06
Originally posted by noway
{I have an AK with 75 round drum on it for deer hunting. The drum isnt full because it would be too heavy, I have 5 shells in there.
}
and in most states that i've hunted in, you would be illegal, regardless if you had 1 or 5 rounds in the drum.

btw: shells is what I use in my shotgun. I've never heard of a an AK47 using shells unless it was a saiga ( since we are all nit picking
;) )


It's fully legal in Texas.

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GU-47
04-18-2005, 16:25
Originally posted by noway
btw: shells is what I use in my shotgun. I've never heard of a an AK47 using shells unless it was a saiga ( since we are all nit picking
;) ) [/B]

Alright if I could nit pick too i would say you should say "shells are what I use" "not shells is what I use"

Rememeber when to use is and to use are

drake22
04-21-2005, 11:18
I use a semi auto shotgun on birds and ducks and sometimes that third shot comes in handy, I can tell you usually the third shot is a waste. I'm much better with an o/u. I think it makes you slow down and pick your shots better. On the 3 1/2 shotguns that third shot being around $2 a shot has made me think about the third shot before I squeeze it off.

akbound
04-23-2005, 16:19
Slobs shouldn't be allowed in the hunting fields! The type of firearm used for hunting makes very little difference, (assuming the cartridge is suitable to the game being hunted). Attempts to regulate "ethics" or behavior by restricting firearm types is at least poorly thought out, and in many instances is actually an attempt to provide "cover" for a different agenda.

Your comment, "My english teach fells it's wrong to pump a deer full of lead and i agree." (as well as your following sentence) raises a red flag with me. It seems you may in fact have an agenda at odds with your stated purpose. If in fact you'd like to make a statement it would speak better of you if you simply came to the forum and made your statement.

An action type of the firearm does not in anyway portend how its' user will indeed use it. It is merely an operating mechanism. How a particular gun will be used is a matter of the character of the user, not the mechanism being used! Make sure you fully understand that concept. And if in fact you support hunting make sure you pass that understanding back to your seemingly misguided teacher as well.

So you fully understand my position I will say this. A true sportsman owes it to the animal(s) being hunted to do their utmost to place each and every shot as precisely as is possible, insuring as quick and humane a death as is possible, (furthermore passing up shots were they can't be certain). The type of weapon applying that shot, or shots, is unimportant!

Dave

Walter45Auto
04-23-2005, 19:13
^6 ;?


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Smooth Operator
05-03-2005, 19:29
Yes, semi-automatics should be allowed for hunting.

Many gunwoners for whatever reason only own one centerfire rifle. Manually operated actions are probably better suited for sport hunting (lighter weight, more accurate, more traditional, etc.), while semi-automatics are better suited for personal and national defense. If the law prohibits hunting with a semi-automatic, as in PA, a hunter will select a rifle with a manually operated action. If semi-automatics are legal for hunting, the hunter may choose a semi-automatic rifle if he wishes, and be well armed if he must defend himself or his country with his hunting rifle. Moreover, a recreational target shooter may give hunting a try with his AR-10 before deciding to buy a dedicated hunting rifle.

This is not to say that a scoped bolt action hunting rifle can not be put to good use on the field of battle, or in self defense if necessary. But if I could own only one centerfire rifle, I'd choose an AR in 7.62 NATO and use if for hunting and defense. What would you choose?

P.S.-If some a** hole trespasses on my hunting land and wants to fight about it (i.e.-last years massacre in WI), he'll be the one leaving in a bodybag.