SOG Maks and P-64 shipping

[elgoatropo]

Question: How much does shipping add to the price of one of these. I can't get shipping info w/o FFL number. P-64 is $140. Local shop is selling them for $180. Is it a wash after shipping and transfer fee?

This looks like a cool pocket gun. It is wafer thin. Grip is uncomfortable, but I would epoxy a palm swell shim to backstrap and A-Grip the sucker.

[kf4zra]

why not just buy the real deal, a makarov? those are less than $129. besides being uber reliable, they have many replacement parts available (not that you's really ever need them) mak mags are less than $10 all day long too.

a mak is AK-47 of handguns. reliable and tough to kill.

i have found that the p64 has quite a heavy, gritty trigger compared to the mak.

a p64 is NOT a makarov. it just shoots makarov food.

now that my rambling is thru, the shipping amount should be b/w $4 and $25 depending on who and what type of shipping they use. regardless, they can charge whatever they want for shipping. the avg charge is $15-$25.

if you still have to have a p64, figure $140 for the gun, and lets say an average of $20 for shipping, and $20 for transfer fee, you are back to the $180 your local guy wants. why not support him? plus you get to see what the pistol looks like before you buy it.

here is also a random thought.....i thought it might be a coincidence that 2 local dealers wouldnt deal with SOG, till i found 3 more dealers that would have nothing to do with SOG again. they cited things like termites in their orders to wrong items shipped.

good luck in which ever way you choose to go.

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by elgoatropo
Question: How much does shipping add to the price of one of these. I can't get shipping info w/o FFL number. P-64 is $140. Local shop is selling them for $180. Is it a wash after shipping and transfer fee?

This looks like a cool pocket gun. It is wafer thin. Grip is uncomfortable, but I would epoxy a palm swell shim to backstrap and A-Grip the sucker.

You might be able to save $5-10 if you have it shipped, considering the transfer is in the $20-25 range. I would bet shipping is somewhere just below $10.

Also, I would recommend a Mak over the P-64.

[axel]

Never shot a P-64 but I have two Bulgarian Maks that I wouldn't trade them for anything.

[elgoatropo]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kf4zra
[B]why not just buy the real deal, a makarov? those are less than $129. besides being uber reliable, they have many replacement parts available (not that you's really ever need them) mak mags are less than $10 all day long too.

a mak is AK-47 of handguns. reliable and tough to kill.

I have in my posession a commercial Russian Mak in .380 which belongs to a friend. I like it a lot, but it does not fit into my collection. Size and power wise, it overlaps too much with the hi-power. The niche I want to fill is the one left after I ditched the P-11. Believe it or not, it has come down to the Kahr P-9 Covert and the P-64. When you have a wife and kids and a mortgage, you have to limit yourself somewhat. I was lucky enough to get most of this stuff before I got married.

.22 LR Naa revolver
.22LR S&W 2213
Ruger 22/45
Big Fat Gap
Browning P-35
Taurus Model 44
Ruger 10/22
SAR-1
Big Fat Gap

You can probably see the big fat gaps in this limited collection. For hunting, my dad has an old Remington 721 that I can use. But there is likely a Ruger .338 or Winchester 70 in my future.

[Teakwood]

If you are indeed in Alaska, then the $40 price differential between SOG and your local dealer seems low. I live in the lower 48 and figure shipping at $25 and a $15 FFL fee.

However, you might want to consider a real Makarov. They are reliable, durable and parts are readily available.

With the P-64, just the opposite is true.

[Hauptmann6]

When I got mine last fall. My CC was charged 180 including the 10 for a hand pick and 200 rounds of ammo with it.

Not sure how it broke down.

[elgoatropo]

However, you might want to consider a real Makarov. They are reliable, durable and parts are readily available.

With the P-64, just the opposite is true. [/B][/QUOTE]

Does the P-64 have a reputation of poor reliability?

Also, given the size and weight of the Mak, would you take it over a Kahr P-9 or K-9 if the price were no issue?

I know the Mak is accurate and robust, but I wish it were a little closer to 9mm in terminal performance. Are the top commercial loadings bumping the top of SAAMI specs, or is there some room for hotter handloading? As overbuilt as the Mak is, maybe a guy could work up some +++P+++ Rhino loads.
;)

[amd65]

I have heard many mararov fans berate the p64, mainly for not being a true makarov. I have owned the cadilac of makarovs, an east german 1961 for over ten years and found it a beautiful, well made pistol. I also found it slightly heavy and large for ccw, tho not excessivly so. Just that I felt I could carry my browning Hipower with the same effort, and certainly my Glock g23 which is my current carry pistol. I have owned a p64 now for 1 year and have fired about about 500 rounds of fmj, 115gr hp, and hornady hp with zero failures to feed,fire or eject.
The trigger was heavy in double-action at first, but has worked in to the point now that it is as usable as the walther pp .32 I use to own.
This pistol is a terrific ccw pistol-small, thin, powerfull-what more could you want?
Oh yeah, accuracy? I can put every round into a pop can at 25 yards, and at fifty, a one pound coffee can is in serious trouble.

[Hauptmann6]

Originally posted by elgoatropo
I know the Mak is accurate and robust, but I wish it were a little closer to 9mm in terminal performance. Are the top commercial loadings bumping the top of SAAMI specs, or is there some room for hotter handloading? As overbuilt as the Mak is, maybe a guy could work up some +++P+++ Rhino loads.
;)

I doubt the strength of the gun is the problem. The problem that is a blowback design.

[elgoatropo]

Originally posted by amd65
I have heard many mararov fans berate the p64, mainly for not being a true makarov. I have owned the cadilac of makarovs, an east german 1961 for over ten years and found it a beautiful, well made pistol. I also found it slightly heavy and large for ccw, tho not excessivly so. Just that I felt I could carry my browning Hipower with the same effort, and certainly my Glock g23 which is my current carry pistol. I have owned a p64 now for 1 year and have fired about about 500 rounds of fmj, 115gr hp, and hornady hp with zero failures to feed,fire or eject.
The trigger was heavy in double-action at first, but has worked in to the point now that it is as usable as the walther pp .32 I use to own.
This pistol is a terrific ccw pistol-small, thin, powerfull-what more could you want?
Oh yeah, accuracy? I can put every round into a pop can at 25 yards, and at fifty, a one pound coffee can is in serious trouble.

Now thats what I wanted to hear. How is the p-64 as a pocket gun? As much as the Mak fans poo-pooh the p-64, I should be able to buy one off a Mak Bulletin board for a fair price.

[axel]

Bottom line is you buy what you're comfortable with and what you can afford. Whenever I've bought a handgun, I've always asked myself two questions:

1) is this a gun I'd be willing to carry?
2) is this a gun I'd be willing to trust my life with?

[amd65]

In my case, the answer is yes. I carry the p64 in a retail situation and am confident in its reliablity

[Guy Powell]

I'm sorry, but I second that advice to stay away from SOG.