P99???

[84b2]

considering buying a p99, or a glock 17

what problems have you had with a p99, and would you go sa/da or QA?
how reliable is the p99 compared to a glock?
how durable is it compared to the glock?

if you could have done it again would you go with the glock?

thanks in advance

[Navy87Guy]

I have both a P99 AS 9mm and a Glock 17. If I had to pick one, it would be the P99.

They're both very good guns...so you can't go wrong with either. For me, the Walther just feels more comfortable and fits me better.

As far as trigger action, I like the SA/DA of the P99 AS. If you get the QA model, then you essentially have the same action as the Glock - with the decocker thrown in. I just happen to like DA -- other people are different. A lot of the QA guys swear by the consistency and accuracy of the trigger. Personally, I don't notice a lot of difference between my Glock with a 3.5 lb pull and my P99.

One thing to consider is that Walther America (aka Smith & Wesson) is going to stop importing the AS model of the P99. That means they're going to get hard to come by (actually, they already are!) So if you want one, you probably want to grab it when you see it. It took me a lot of searching to find mine, and I paid a pretty penny for it. But it was worth it!

Both the guns have been completely reliable....I haven't had them long enough to comment on durability, but they're both very well respected so I don't think you have to worry about that.

I think the only way to decide is to go shoot them (or at least handle them) both. You have to find the one that feels right to you. Accuracy is all about the shooter...if you're comfortable with the gun you'll probably shoot it well. Some days my Glock will outshoot my Walther, other times the Walther is dead on every shot. If they both feel good to you, you'll probably shoot either one well.

One consideration may be that Glock accessories are more readily available and cheaper. 15-rd magazines for the Walther run around $40 each....compared to $20 for the G17. There are also more options for holsters and replacement sights with the Glock. But like I said, if I had to pick one gun, it would be the P99.

Hope this helps!
Jim

[Ghentry]

I have the P99 with the AS trigger and I have a Glock 26. Hands down the P99 has great ergonomics and feels great in your hand, however, I really like the Glock trigger better than the two stage AS trigger. I personally would get the QA trigger on the next P99 I bought.

[Fungunner]

I was totally convinced I was going to buy a G19, but after picking up the P99 in 9mm, I decided in favor of the Walther. My .40 SW P99 shortly followed. Personally, I like the decock and the DA trigger.

[DTQ]

I do not own a Glock. I do own an AF P99 AS 40. cal and absolutely would not hesitate to buy it again, in fact I'm considering also getting the AF P99 QA 40. cal., I REALLY like this gun.

[84b2]

well, they would not order me in a p99QA, they only sell the compact model QA now, and i wanted the DA trigger, so i ordered a glock 17, hopefully everything works out well.

[Navy87Guy]

Originally posted by 84b2
well, they would not order me in a p99QA, they only sell the compact model QA now, and i wanted the DA trigger, so i ordered a glock 17, hopefully everything works out well.

Wouldn't order you a P99? That's the point where I would have walked out of the store and found a merchant who wanted my business. There's no reason you should be forced into buying a gun you don't want. Not that there's anything wrong with a G17...but if you want a Walther, get a Walther.

The QA is available...either your dealer has a hidden agenda or he's too lazy to find it for you.

You'll enjoy your Glock....but you're going to wish you had gotten the Walther!

[84b2]

navyguy, im in canada, anything with less than 106mm(i believe) barrel is illegal, the p99QA(which is a compact model now) has too short of a barrel length, and to get the fullsize model QA(if i could find one) is about 250-300 bones more canadian. we dont have as easy gun laws as you do down there, but i guess thats why we dont have the number of gun related deaths you guys do also. we cant walk the street with a 9mm in our pocket, we need permits to transport(along with the gun registration) and it can ONLY be from our house, to the gun range or a gunsmith(the handguns MUST be locked 2 ways, triggerlock, and in a locked case).

that being said, i can walk through town with a 12gauge(as long as its in a locked case or trigger lock, but it must be locked one way)

but, we also dont have to carry a gun for protection, as i read almost every gun owning american does, and i dont havt to lock my doors at night;b

[DTQ]

One of these (http://www.centurynovelty.com/index.aspx?IndexGroupID=26) should suffice for a Canadian...

[Sinner]

You keep guns in your house and you don't lock your doors?

[84b2]

guns are locked up at all times, i dont have any guns at the moment
(other than air rifles) but when i do get guns they will be in a locked safe.

and no, the doors are not always locked, were not afraid of our neighbours

[DTQ]

Robert William Pinkton & Marc Lepine never bothered their neighbors, but between those two Canadians they killed at least 15 women, and Karla is just about out too. Then you have the swarming murder of 14-year-old Reena Virk who was beaten and drowned, slow justice there huh. How'bout the shooting of 3 in downtown Toronto yesterday and the string of sex assaults in Mississauga, if it’s not your family then it’s all good?

America has a larger population than Canada and consequently more crime, be that as it may, violence is not unique to any country, and it’s not even unique to our species. From what I understand the Glock is a fine anti-personnel weapon, I hope you never need to use it.


edited to exclude sarcasm, you're a good influence Jim.

[84b2]

i am not getting the glock for any type of defence, im getting it as a hobby, using a firearm for self defence is a crime in canada, we can beat the **** out of an intruder with a baseball bat, but then again, we dont have the crime you do down there.

our number one reason for death with a firearm in canada is suicide.

im not saying we dont have crazys, there are nuts all over the world, but every website i go on(american based) about weapons or guns always talks about one thing. carrying a weapon for protection. which gun is better for home defence than the next, i wouldnt trust my life to that gun, balh blah blah.

how many of you have actually confronted an intruder?

293,027,571 (July 2004 est.) population of us
32,507,874 (July 2004 est.)population of canada

The united states has 14000 gun related murders.

the easiest response to suggestions that Canadian civilians need guns to protect themselves is to look south to the US to see where arming for self protection leads. While rates of violence in the US are comparable to countries such as Canada, Australia and Great Britain, rates of lethal violence are much higher. For example, murders without guns in the US are about 40% higher (1.4 times the rate) than in Canada while murders WITH handguns are 1500% higher (15 times the rate).

not trying to start a flaming war, but i just dont agree with every household having a gun for self defence. if there was to be a break in, it would most likely be when no one was home, ive never herd of anyone having an intruder in there house at the same time they are home.

[DTQ]

The population of America is 10 x’s greater than Canada, one would expect all statistics to correlate to that ratio, and they do not. Many more factors are involved; literacy rates, income, industrialization, divorce rates etc. and these factors interplay and affect one another. For example, Canadian suicide rates are much higher than the U.S in all but the oldest of individuals, and they’re just barely lower.

Canada, while being the third largest country in landmass, has only 2 cities with over 1M people each and 7 cities with over 1/2M people each, the “inner-city” crime contributor is practically nonexistent. When compared to the rest of the world Canada is 35th in population but consistently rank’s in the top percentages in crime per capita. Canadians have a propensity toward violence, as do all humans.

Canadian assaults per 1000 = 7.25
American assaults per 1000 = 7.70

Canadian rapes per 1000 = .74
American rapes per 1000 = .30

Total crime victims:
Canada: 23.8% (1999)
America: 21.1% (1999)

Total crimes per capita:
Canada: 76.89 per 1000 people
America: 81.55 per 1000 people

You are attributing a human tendency to the availability of a tool. Countries with few automobiles have few collision deaths; countries with no births have no infant mortality. There a better ways to alleviate infant mortality than eliminating births. Correspondingly, your argument boils down to a tool rather than a criminal behavior; you said “For example, murders without guns in the US are about 40% higher (1.4 times the rate) than in Canada while murders WITH handguns are 1500% higher (15 times the rate).” Your argument suggests your goal is strictly the minimization of death rate statistics through the restriction of one tool; a tool designed primarily to kill humans, a tool which you want to form a “hobby” around. Will your lawful behavior change when you own a handgun? If not then the handgun in and of itself means nothing and has no power of its own. In order to circumvent humanity’s propensity for self-destruction and aggression and mitigate the death rate a controlling body must detain society and any contributing factors such that even free will and the choice to individual goodwill are held in custody of the state. An honest look at causes of death indicates a larger picture than viewing one statistic can allow. "15 Leading Causes of Death in the U.S., 2001." Infoplease. © 2000–2005 Pearson Education, publishing as Infoplease. 12 Apr. 2005 <http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005110.html>.

To isolate one statistic and base an entire argument upon it is deceitful and dishonest.

[Navy87Guy]

Wow DTQ -- if you have all the time on your hands to look up those statistics, then you ought to have time to get us some cool pics of that new AF of yours!!! ;n

(By the way...nicely done!)

Jim

[84b2]

allright, well, the glock comes in on friday, should be fin to start shooting