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Backfire
04-08-2005, 17:04
My story, in case you might be interested.

In 1972 I bought a new Interarms Walther PPK/S in .380 that would have frequent failures to eject (smokestacks) with both Remington and Federal factory ball ammo. Since I bought the Walther based on it's legendary reputation, you can imagine how annoyed I was.

After contacting Remington, a Remington representative met me in my home town and treated me to lunch, borrowed my gun, and tested it at the Remington factory (boy, those were the good old days!). He told me they always had perfect functioning with the two WWII era PPK's they used for ammo testing, but my gun would not eject reliably when they tried it at the factory. So they slightly increased the powder charge and thickened the rims on their production .380 ammo. He returned my gun to me along with a free case of 1000 of the "improved" .380 rounds and asked me to contact him after I shot the ammo up. I fired all of the new rounds over a period of weeks and had perfect reliability and I informed the representative of the great results (His name was "Red" something or other - a very helpful guy).

After this, I removed the loaded chamber indicator from the gun on a hunch and tried some of the old "pre-improvement" rounds and had no problems. After informing Interarms of my experiences, they sent me a letter indicating that they were investigating the possibility of that loaded chamber indicator interfering with the extraction/ejection cycle. My take is that the spring-loaded indicator pin was pushing cases off of the extractor before they could be ejected, resulting in ejection failures. I have left that indicator pin off of the gun ever since and never had any further functioning problem with either factory or my handloaded rounds. I think the thicker rim and more European-like heftier loading of the "improved" rounds also contributed to the enhanced functioning.

michael t
04-09-2005, 23:51
Interesting. I have stated many times shoot hot loads in a PPK/S keep it well lubed/oiled,and only use Factory Mags Change your recoil spring every 1000 rounds and you should never have a problem.
Don't know if this will work on the wantabe S&W PPK/S But seems to work on German and Interarms.

HawkEyeEarl
05-06-2005, 21:41
What are hot 380 acp loads?

I am a reloader.

I am ready to begin loading 380 acp.

I have noticed european 9mm loads as being hotter than our 9mm loads in my chronogragh.

I have no european 380acp to test.

What reloading books might have 380 acp, 9mm mak, 9mm in european speeds?

I do not want to exceed safety limits, however.

Thanks

Earl

Backfire
05-07-2005, 09:36
Originally posted by HawkEyeEarl
What are hot 380 acp loads?

I am a reloader.

I am ready to begin loading 380 acp.

I have noticed european 9mm loads as being hotter than our 9mm loads in my chronogragh.

I have no european 380acp to test.

What reloading books might have 380 acp, 9mm mak, 9mm in european speeds?

I do not want to exceed safety limits, however.

Thanks

Earl

I usually just reload according to the Speer Manual with loads that are at or just under the maximum charge listed. I have used Winchester 230 powder for my reloads with usually 90 grain bullets and have had no failures of any kind. I did replace the original factory recoil spring with a Wolf recoil spring and I noticed that the replacement spring has a little less tension on it.

Since it is well known that some brands of American factory 9mm ammo intended for inexpensive plinking are loaded a bit on the weak side (Remington UMC, etc.), I suspect the same could apply to American .380 ammo, especially the bargain stuff intended for practice (as opposed to premium ammo for carry/defense).

HawkEyeEarl
05-08-2005, 09:19
Thanks for the reply.

I will be shooting factory ammo today, probably.

Then I will load some speer and sierra bullets.

Probably I will cast some bullets in this caliber within the year, also.

I have found my Colt Mustang to be a lot of fun.

That is why I wanted to add the PPK/S as my second 380.

I do wonder about dependability.

I have both good and bad about the PPK/S.

If it depends on loads I will find out.

Earl

michael t
05-30-2005, 00:44
check you loading manuals. Their are some loads for the 115gr round. Theirs a spanish 380 Santa Barbara or something close that are a lot hotter than any American load. I shoot& carry the 90gr CorBon in both my PPK/S and my Colt Mustang Watch your Mustang locking lugs and slide. Some came with soft steel and hot = a beating real fast. If you need springs Wolff has compleat spring kit and now have steel recoil guide. I say the 12# single recoil spring is better than factory double. and also have a 5% stronger Mag spring.Mustang great pocket carry or IWB in Don Hume holsters.
Get a Bersa Thunder in 380 also their a great low priced pistol that are 99.9 % perfect right out of box.

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