Beretta Vertec 96...me likey!

[MrMex]

Beretta Vertec 96...me likey!
I finally got my gun from my FFL dealer today. Found it on gunsamerica.com from Rick at Lynn's Sporting goods out of CT for $560 shipped. This is the Inox also so this was a great price, nice guy too.

Went home and gave it a quick go through with CLP and dry tested a little, not too much though. Head to Bullet hole outside SA to try them out. Nice people there. Loaded it up started shooting and I'm in love. The gun has a great feel, the angle on the grip is perfect. The rangemaster came over and was enamored with it as well. i let him shoot a clip through and now he probably won't eat to save money for one.

The day was slow and there was only one other guy there and what did he have? A Glock 24? the compact .40. He asked about the Beretta so we switched for a clip. I did not care for the glocks grip angle. Felt Like I had to aim down too much and break my wrist too much. The gun was accurate though and I like the trigger feel. I have started looking at getting a 10mm in a G29 config but I am reconsidering that now. Now for the other guy, he couldn't stop commenting on how nice the gun was, in all aspects.

Being my only my 2nd gun purchase in 4 years makes me a beliver in researching your choice. I am 110% happy with my Vertec and would recommend to anyone.

Next comes the mods where is the best place online to find parts and accessories? I want to replace the plastic guide rod first then maybe some NS's.

Forgot to mention, shot 100 rds of gun show reloads w/out 1 ftf or fte.:soap: ;a ;f ;f

[srfl]

I think Beretta USA has metal guide rods.

If not them, then go to Ernie Langdon at LTT. (http://www.langdontactical.com/beretta.shtml) He has the guide rods and all sorts of good stuff for the Beretta. He can also install night sights for you.

The Beretta Forum administrator, PW, showed me (and let me shoot to my heart's content) his 92G Vertec customized by Langdon....it had one of his speed bump triggers (with a sweet trigger job), Novak night sights, a metal guide rod, chamfered mag well and polymer finish. I love my 92G Vertec, but PW's gun was something special! I really didn't want to give it back to him.

[MrMex]

I've seen LTT stuff before but now I that i own a beretta im gonna get his guide rod and stopped trigger. I don't understand why those Novak sites are 50 more than standard trijicon night sites, whats the diff?

Also whats a chambered magwell?

I also need to get me some hex screw Hogue grips but he doesnt carry them, he needs to dammit. Ill look around and now ill have to pay extra shipping.

[DonGlock26]

I love my Vertec 92FS. It fits my hand very well and is scary accurate. I wish I had a "G", but I found that I don't activate the safety, if I turn the pistol inward to cycle the action.FWIW

[srfl]

Originally posted by MrMex
(SNIP) I don't understand why those Novak sites are 50 more than standard trijicon night sites, whats the diff?

Also whats a chambered magwell?

(SNIP)

The Beretta's NS are your standard rear sight with 2 tritium vials installed (and a front sight with another tritium vial) making a three dot sight arrangement. My Vertec 92G has factory NS. The Novak NS has the (famous) Novak rear sight, also with 2 tritium vials......Novak's are generally pricer cause of the sight itself.

The mag well is filed at an angle making a slightly bigger opening allowing a shooter to reload their weapon a bit quicker.

[MrMex]

ahh, I get it. So the Novak is basically a different looking sight picture. thanks for the explanation.

I found a member selling a stainless guide rod with stainless accents for the gun and they're on the way.

[PlasticGuy]

Don't get Novaks. They're good quality and everything, but you're going to regret it when the day comes that you try to cycle the slide one-handed. Actually, I'd leave the sights alone if it was me. There are a few things I did change on my Vertec, and would do it again.

Go to Wolff's website. You've already got the guide rod on the way, so that's good. You still need a few things. Get (from Wolff) a 17# mainspring, a reduced power "INS" trigger return unit, and a 14# recoil spring. This will lighten your trigger pull, will remove most if not all of the stacking (where the trigger pull gets heavier the farther you pull it), and will be more durable than the factory trigger return spring. This combo will drop the trigger pull by 20-25%, and make it more consistent from start to finish. The 1# increase in recoil spring weight will keep slide velocity the same after you reduce the power of the mainspring.

Those parts will cost you less than $50 delivered, and will be the best investment you can make in terms of upgrades on your Vertec. Other than that, just buy a lot of ammo and shoot. Practice is better than any other money you could spend on additional parts/gunsmithing.

[MrMex]

Originally posted by PlasticGuy
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Go to Wolff's website. You've already got the guide rod on the way, so that's good. You still need a few things. Get (from Wolff) a 17# mainspring, a reduced power "INS" trigger return unit, and a 14# recoil spring. This will lighten your trigger pull, will remove most if not all of the stacking (where the trigger pull gets heavier the farther you pull it), and will be more durable than the factory trigger return spring. This combo will drop the trigger pull by 20-25%, and make it more consistent from start to finish. The 1# increase in recoil spring weight will keep slide velocity the same after you reduce the power of the mainspring.

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Well I though I was getting the guide rod with my SS package as was in the package, but I mis-read it. So I have to get one from Wolf now so I started looking arond there. I thought about the lighter d-spring but figured it wouldn't cycle as nicely, guess I'm wrong? The DA pull is pretty stiff.

You said the reduced "INS" spring but the site says the INS is the factory power one, you mean the reduced, correct?
The recoil spring you said to get is 14lb I see that, but what's the main spring. I can't seem to find it on the webiste.

Thanks for the suggestions!

http://www.gunsprings.com/SemiAuto/BerettaNF.html (Wolff Beretta Page)

[PlasticGuy]

Originally posted by MrMex
...I thought about the lighter d-spring but figured it wouldn't cycle as nicely, guess I'm wrong? The DA pull is pretty stiff.

You said the reduced "INS" spring but the site says the INS is the factory power one, you mean the reduced, correct?
The recoil spring you said to get is 14lb I see that, but what's the main spring. I can't seem to find it on the webiste.
The D-Spring won't affect cycling. It is what the Wolff site calls a "hammer spring". Most other manufacturers call it a mainspring, but it's the same thing. It is the spring that causes the hammer to fall. A stronger spring will cause the hammer to hit the firing pin harder, but will also make the trigger pull heavier. The ideal weight of spring is one that hits hard enough to detonate all primers, but isn't heavier than it needs to be so the trigger pull is as light as possible. For a Beretta, that seems to be around 17#.

When I say that the "hammer spring" won't affect cycling, that's both true and false. It will be just as smooth. The slide does use some of its energy to cock the hammer though. With a lighter hammer spring, less force is bled out for that function. As such, it's a good idea to go up a pound for your recoil spring, which puts you at 14#. That will absorb the excess energy and prevent any undue wear on your pistol.

You're absolutely right about the trigger spring. The Wolff site calls it a "reduced power trigger conversion unit". That's the one I have, and it works very well.

[MrMex]

Cool, thanks for clarifying. I think I'll order these tonight!;f

[PlasticGuy]

No problem. I'm happy to help. It took me a couple months of research on various forums to find out all the little tricks that people are using to get their Berettas IDPA ready -- stock factory configuration, but a little easier to shoot well.

If I can save you guys a bunch of time my making a few posts, I'm happy to do it.

[p01ic3m4n]

Originally posted by srfl
I think Beretta USA has metal guide rods.

If not them, then go to Ernie Langdon at LTT. (http://www.langdontactical.com/beretta.shtml) He has the guide rods and all sorts of good stuff for the Beretta. He can also install night sights for you.

;m not anymore. i'm glad i ordered my stuff from him a few months ago. he is no longer in business.

[MrMex]

I love the mailbox, I had cool stuff waiting for me to wake up! I sure am glad Wolff decided to make a SS guide rod, everything I got looks top notch. I just can't belive beretta gives you a plastic piece ;0

Now I am seeing if I can change the springs myself so Im looking around on the web for some guides. After this a modified Hogue gri p and Im done...I think;b

[Brian Dover]

Just picked up a 96 Vertec myself. Really like the grip angle as compared to my 92 Border Marshal. Speaking of which, gonna have to try putting the 92 top end on the Vertec frame and see how that works out.

One experiment I've already tried is using a couple of those Hong Kong surplus 9mm magazines with .40 cal ammo in the model 96. So far it works perfectly, and the mags hold 12 rounds of .40 ammo with just enough room to spare.

The next move may be to see if CDNN has any of those $60 night sight sets left.

[PlasticGuy]

Originally posted by Brian Dover
...Speaking of which, gonna have to try putting the 92 top end on the Vertec frame and see how that works out...
It should work. The slides are made to identical dimensions. I swapped the slides between my Vertec and 92fs just to see for myself, and it worked fine.