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Gastonite
04-20-2005, 11:12
I admit I know next to nothing about martial arts. I have always carried spray or Glock or both, and expected those options to get me out of nonlethal and lethal altercations (not to forget a sound mind!).

My question for those practicing martial artists...if you could teach a newbie one "move": best punch, kick, hold, etc to get me thru the day, what would it be? I realize every situation is different and there are no miracle manuevers, but I would like to know your thoughts on a practical target area to hit, or move to practice that I can compliment my hand-held weapons with.

Any ideas, suggestions, no-no's?

Thanks in advance!

ChuteTheMall
04-20-2005, 11:27
...it would be to run away.

One magic punch might not work, that's why logical combinations which are easily mastered are so useful. Examples include, eye gouge and/or palm heel strike to the philtrim (mustache) which might be sufficient, but if not, should at least open up the throat for any of several strikes (straight fist, hammerfist, edge of hand, elbow, whatever works at that range and available angles). These two strikes in this order are a good "one-two" punch combo to begin with, plus they can look as innocent as two attempted punches to the face, in case you worry about hostile witnesses in front of a jury.

Targeting the solar plexis or groin is sometimes useful, but IMHO secondary to the face between the eyes and the larynx, inclusive, whatever presents itself. Fancy skills like kicking a knee or throwing somebody to the ground are harder to learn, less instinctive, and thus less useful then a fast hard attack to the face & neck.

If you miss the philtrim, high or low, hitting the bridge of the nose, with the palm of your hand, between the eyebrows or smashing the chin into the brain are still not too bad for a first strike.

These are the basics of combatives, which are only one aspect of the entire martial arts spectrum. Somebody better check my spelling of "philtrim.":cool:

SmartOne
04-20-2005, 12:06
;Q What an interesting question! I've taught a few completely inexperienced people how to grapple. My answer would be, 'Nothing!'

I wouldn't teach a strike, first; I'd teach, 'fades' and, 'parries'! For civilians I'd, next, teach hand and finger attacks. For really serious work I'd offer high attacks to the eyes in combination with low attacks to the shins and feet. ;)

(But, what the hey, I'm getting too old for any of this now - anyway!)

mhill
04-20-2005, 13:24
That's a funny question.

I liked the "run away" answer.

If I was pressed I would say a simple Judo throw. I used this once on a guy who wanted to fight me. He hit his head on a tile floor and was out cold. I can't help it if the guy never learned how to fall can I?

This wouldn't be effective in most life or death situations.

mhill

gr81disp
04-20-2005, 19:11
+1 for run-fu.

I usually show them a mata-leo choke (sounds better than the american name, rear-naked choke) but that is only because I want to show them the effectiveness of technique in general, there is no way I expect them to be able to use it in a fight immediately.

If I could only show them one technique, it would be two to the chest, one to the head with whatever caliber they carry.

Gastonite
04-20-2005, 21:52
Thanks for the replies so far. "Run-fu" would be my first option in all SHTF scenarios, if applicable/practical.

In college we had some instructors come to our fraternity following a big brawl to help us better deal with some of the unfortunate characters that parties so often brought into the house. They suggested we focus down the centerline of the torso: nose, gut, or nutsack.

I never did get a chance to apply these techniques, as I was always back in my room with a lady by the time anything got outta hand and never heard a thing until it was all over and there were sirens outside meaning the cops showed up. I can't say I feel like I really missed anything, though. ;f

Brian@ITC
05-01-2005, 22:25
I teach ETK. That would be:
Eyeballs
Throat
Kneecaps

If they can't see, breathe, or walk then they can't get you. But if you want a target that is most likely to end the fight quickly, I would say a blow to the lyrnax (sp). He might have a little fight in him for several seconds, but he probably won't last long while he is trying to get his breath!

Ironeagle74
05-01-2005, 23:15
Always always try to defuse the situation or get the hell away. If you cant id def use the pepper spray in a situation where you couldnt get away. If the fight has to go down on the street and you have no choice and your life is in danger....do what you need to do to win.

My coach was in Blockbuster a couple years back and a guy was in the store stirring up trouble with the cashier and others around him and my coach was going to do something about it but decided not too. Well, when my coach went outside he saw the same guy pull up his shirt to his friends and he had a nickel plated auto stuck in his pants. Moral of the story, never fight unless you cant get away or ure family is in danger.

As for one punch, there are so many different senarios there is no way to pick just one.

scottsummers
05-03-2005, 14:00
Biting is the best in close because it TOTALLY stops the other person from punching, moving or anything. Slapping is really good too. You get slapped in the face like girls do then you will be stunned for awhile. A sidekick that steps through the leg and stands on them too is really good. IT is all one move. Kick through and use all your weight and stand on the leg. It will usually take them down and subdue them because you are standing on their leg.

Halojumper
05-10-2005, 17:37
Originally posted by Gastonite

My question for those practicing martial artists...if you could teach a newbie one "move": best punch, kick, hold, etc to get me thru the day, what would it be?

The single finger take down from 1911-Jutsu

Mushinto
05-10-2005, 21:04
Originally posted by Halojumper
The single finger take down from 1911-Jutsu
I hate silly answers. But you get extra points for spelling "Jutsu" correctly.

ML

bunkerbuster
05-15-2005, 22:48
If the BG has a terrible aim, I would runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

:)

catches
05-20-2005, 12:18
Originally posted by SmartOne

I wouldn't teach a strike, first; I'd teach, 'fades' and, 'parries'!



+1

Scorpius
05-21-2005, 21:37
Run like hell if you can. If you can't, fight to win, because most serious altercations suck when you're in second place. I personally like the hammer-fist to the sinus-area, followed by either a knife-hand to the throat or a sidekick to the knee. Even if don't break the leg (which isn't the goal, the goal is to get away unharmed), his leg would still be throbbing pretty badly, and you should be able to outrun him, no problem. Just some thoughts from an evolving martial artist.

Mike
Scorpius

scottsummers
05-21-2005, 22:07
thats pretty good stuff. Another thing you might want to add since your running- if you knock him down or whatever stomp on the inside of his shin near the ankle as hard as you can. He will definitely not be able to chase you.

onemangang
05-24-2005, 11:20
This is an interesting question I've thought alot about.
I like the webbed hand to the throat option. HOWEVER, I find myself always looking at peoples throats and they're all different!
Some peoples throats are WIDE open, meaning there is alot of space between their collar bone and chin. These folks would have a hard time defending a throat punch. On the other hand there are those no-neck individuals that don't offer very much of a target! These opponents would get different treatment!

scottsummers
05-24-2005, 11:38
We have a technique in not "my system" but the one i practice. It opens up the throat either way. You do a fingerjab/ palmslap to the eyes and push your hand against their face in a dragging fashion. That stuns them while tilting their head back and gives you the most accessible way to hit their throat. There is several techniques after the sequence, that is just the first two but it is a good way to open it up.

ElectricZombie
05-25-2005, 02:43
Snap kick to the groin
Palm strike to the chin
Chop/punch to the throat

robwebbg22
06-16-2005, 12:46
Getting kicked in the balls is not an immediate take down. People get geeked up an sometimes the pain does not hit them until the fight juices start to dissapaite. (Thats a fact!) Anyway I believe if forced into a situation you can not walk away or run from I would tell them a shot to the throat is the easiest to hit an most effective target in stopping power. Kicks to the lower leg can be very painful to the kicker as well as the kickee.

British have a very good technique they teach to their special opps guys called nutting. Basically you lower your head an use it to ram it into the face/nose of the perp very powerful an good percentage to make a solid strike in close quarter situations.

Jasestrong
06-20-2005, 22:21
Choke, Choke, Choke, Choke, did I say Choke. After 23 years of orgainized Martial Arts the choke is the most effective and easyiest to learn. My 2 cents.

Jason

robwebbg22
06-20-2005, 23:31
Couple problems with that is as a first move you have to get behind the guy. If you grab him from the front you are gonna take some shots. And with a guy a lot stronger you are still in bad shape from a rear naked choke. I still think for someone overmatched physically a clean shot to the throat an run like the devil was chasing you because he probally will be is your best option.

Jasestrong
06-21-2005, 06:37
Originally posted by robwebbg22
Couple problems with that is as a first move you have to get behind the guy. If you grab him from the front you are gonna take some shots. And with a guy a lot stronger you are still in bad shape from a rear naked choke. I still think for someone overmatched physically a clean shot to the throat an run like the devil was chasing you because he probally will be is your best option.

First I have never been in a fight where I didn't take a few hits, I wish I could be like Fred Ward in the movie "Remo Williams" where he could here the tendions move and he could predict the move and dodge the strike, cool stuff for a Movie.

In the art of Shime Waza, choking and this is an art in its self.You can choke from the front using the shirt or the collar of the Uke, the bad guy or you can choke from the front and use your cuffs from your shirt to lock the choke in. The Hadaka Jime, rear naked choke is not the only choke you can use. And it is really not that hard to get behind Uke, you can reach across with your strong hand to the opposite side of the Uke, reach between the arm and the ribs and grab the back of the Tricep and and pull and turn the Uke and there you have it the Hadaka Jime,Rear Naked Choke.

After I got out of the Army I started to go throught the police academy and I had to pay my own way so I needed a job, so I got a job at a nightclub as the Head Bouncer. While i worked at this club i threw out all types of persons from Bikers, Roid monsters,and the Tampa Bay Bucs, Much bigger and stronger than me. To name a few TY Jay Armstrong played tightend and at linebakcer who played at Noter Dame, Demetrius Debois, i am not sure on the spelling,they got choked out from a Hadaka Jime, rear Naked choke.

My wife can choke and she is a small woman and she has no Martial Arts Back-ground.

A choke is a veryy easy and effective.

Jason

robwebbg22
06-21-2005, 11:05
What I am saying is if your not 6-6 280 a 2nd degree blackbelt an throw 225 around 30 times during one set on the benchpress like I am I wouldnt advice the choke for someone half the size as their attacker. I understand chokes I was simply saying I would teach advice and execute a shot to the throat as a first option in your choice progression answer sheet. I have been in a few one punch no damage taken fights or altercations. An i used a choke for it twice.

Nephilim
07-01-2005, 22:13
I'd teach them the things I learned first.

How to hit the ground and not break yourself. How to be on the losing end of a solid strike and dissipate the force. Essentially... how to get your ass kicked. Because when you've only got one move, and since we all know that one move isn't going to be magic... you're better off knowing how to take the force of a punch or a throw than trying your luck with your magic knock out punch.

Roundeyesamurai
07-04-2005, 16:44
I like "Run-Fu", but what I like even better is to teach the student to move as a default. In other words, "When In Doubt, Move". I often acronymize this as "GTHOOTW". My pal and colleague in Jewish Combatives (;f), Marc Denny ("Dog Brothers" fame), refers to his variation of this as "ST. FOOM", for "Stay The Fornicate Off Of Me".

Nephilim made a good point, too: I would include movement to the ground (ukemi) as part of teaching movement.

So, my "one technique"? "Move, Fu". ;f

(BTW- Neph, congrats on the baby!)

fpm
07-14-2005, 07:31
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Halojumper
07-14-2005, 07:59
Originally posted by fpm
I have to agree with Jasestrong, the various chokes have been by far the most effective techniqe I have ever used. I spent about 10 years working in bars and parks (big out door bars) where I live and the chokes worked the best for me. My background is in jujitsu and submission grappling and Iam only 5'7" 180# and I have used chokes on all sizes and skill levels of people. While I believe the chokes are safe, care and restraint must be used. I have never replied to a martial arts post before but I truly believe in the choke, at least for myself. :)

I agree for experienced martial artists. The thread was about one move you could teach somebody who didn't know any martial arts. I'm partial to chokes, but you have to know what you're doing to be able to get into a position to perform one. I would not suggest teaching chokes to FNG's.

ChuteTheMall
07-14-2005, 20:17
http://www.sobay.net/images/section_content/lead_image_file/200_200_58_monkey-hugging-dog.jpg ;f

jsbcody
07-15-2005, 09:23
Eye gouge....Like my old Chinese instructor used to say, "Have yet to meet man with strong eyeballs."

Griffon
07-15-2005, 20:35
You know, there just ain't enough love in this world.
Anyone ever thought about just hugging your advisary?
A sicere smile, a good freindly hug and a "I love you" can go a long way! Sure seems nicer than a punch, kick or a choke-out. WWJD? Guess I'm just a pansy ass. A little bit of love takes an awful lot of effort. Remind me not to go to your parties. FREE BEER and an ASS WHUPPIN- come on over. Beat up on the drunks, now that's a concept! Show some love and humility for Christ's sake! Now picture the poor slobbering drunk after you guys have gouged out his eyes, broken his windpipe, nose, collar bone, kneecaps, busted up his chins, stomped his toes, tossed him all over the yard, kicked him in the gut, groin, head etc. How's a guy supposed to enjoy a party like that? I ask ya! Remember someone invited this poor soul to your party! What kind of sadistic SOB would do something like this? I mean do ya pick 'em out before they're drunk, red X 'em and kick their ass or are these just random victims of this sadistic behavior? Tell me I wanna know! HUG THE POOR BASTARD AND TAKE HIM HOME!!
"I was always back in my room with a lady " while your friends beat the hell outta the drunks, now that's gotta make here think you're a prize. She drunk too? Beat her when you were done? You know college years are formative years, patterns will form.

fpm
07-19-2005, 14:46
.:);z ;Q

SQUAD
07-21-2005, 23:38
Run 'Fu. That's a good answer.

If all else fails and you can't run 'fu, then I'd say a forceful palm to the chin, nose or even a headbut to the nose. Make sure you pay attention to your surroundings though, because at anytime the BG's buddy will probably jump in.

Run 'Fu.

mdavid
07-29-2005, 09:35
If someone just wanted to know one move I wouldn't waste my time with them. No one move will work and building confidence in it would be falsely placed. That little amount of time is better spent on talking about awareness, de escalation and how to run away from folks. Learning positional fighting and submissions would be the best way to start. I'm not sure why everyone advocates throats and eyes because if you can't box you are going to get destroyed going for a larger/stronger guys throat or eyes....and you will have ensured that he will be trying to send you to the hospital. If somone eye gouged me I would become very violent and they wouldn't see well out of either eye and have some broken limbs...where I otherwise might have just slapped them or made them stop fighting. Just something to think about.

K-DOG
07-30-2005, 00:31
Just how to throw a punch. Youd be suprized how many have no idea....

Fred Hansen
07-30-2005, 04:35
Mastery of the venerable Run Fu. If Run Fu is not an option, then I default to my mastery of Ching Ching Pow!

;e ;f

Roundeyesamurai
07-30-2005, 10:05
Originally posted by mdavid
If someone just wanted to know one move I wouldn't waste my time with them. No one move will work and building confidence in it would be falsely placed. That little amount of time is better spent on talking about awareness, de escalation and how to run away from folks. Learning positional fighting and submissions would be the best way to start. I'm not sure why everyone advocates throats and eyes because if you can't box you are going to get destroyed going for a larger/stronger guys throat or eyes....and you will have ensured that he will be trying to send you to the hospital. If somone eye gouged me I would become very violent and they wouldn't see well out of either eye and have some broken limbs...where I otherwise might have just slapped them or made them stop fighting. Just something to think about.

It's because eyes and throats are the fast-food "combatives" approach- in other words, "you're too lazy to actually train, so we'll teach you everything you need to know in a weekend (or on our video tapes)".

(Now that I think of it, eyes and throats sounds like a pretty good description of KFC... eyes & throats, or lips & a**holes)

Trebuchet
08-03-2005, 10:37
I have always been partial to "Nikkyo" in its different forms.

But it definately doesn't work in every situation. It just hurts A LOT.

;f

bcutrufelli
08-19-2005, 14:18
I have to agree with the whole getting away from the situation. First learn to punch like others have stated. I was in a situation recently and had to strike. I went to punch in the nose but hit he turned and got hit in the eye/temple area and went nighty night. I would go for the nose. A solid punch to the nose affects breathing and is terrbly stunning. Also it makes eyes water and blurs vision. Also it will jolt the head back for a strike to the throat. After learning to punch learn a few chokes. Rear naked and the guilotine(i can't spell) The later will help for wrestler types who wish to tackle or shoot in for a ground fight.