Anyone see this idiot on foxnews?

[Linh40]

Just saw a clip of foxnews at work. Had this guy on there who has a website that basically diss the military. He was saying how we (the military) was getting paid too much money and how he celebrate everytime a Service member dies. I never knew idiots like these existed.

Anyone else see the interview or clip online?

[MOTHERGREEN]

dont you guys get paid like minimum wage? how is that to much? if anything our military should be paid like nba players and nba players should be paid burger king wages i mean how hard is it to bounce a ball and throw it around? and how hard is it to defend the freedom of millions? ......case and point

[APD]

I heard a guy on Sirius radio a week or so ago spewing the same thing; "soldiers get paid to much".
He was a bean counter working in a cubicle making like 45k a year with no military/supervisory experience.
He has a few websites but I cant quote them off-hand.
Something like "americasucks.net" or something similar.

[Linh40]

Na this is a different guy by the name of Michael Crook. He had a website called forsakethetroops.info but he decided to get rid of it and now he has a new site michaelcrook.com, there is also another site called urforsakethetroops.net (beware it's a site with a few porn site. it basically complains and say that we deserve to die since we don't pay taxes if we deploy). So this Crook kid claims this new site isn't his. The only real different between his old site and this site is he's against the 4 pics of gay "service member".

[sweetbutsassy]

WHAT??!! Are you guys serious? I knew of people in the military who were on food stamps...let me repeat myself: food stamps. How? Young, little rank and they had a family. I remember just getting by but I was single, living in the dorms and eating free at the chow hall. Don't get me wrong...I did waste money at times on crap like CDs, etc. But I also remember struggling to pay insurance on my 10 year old car too. People can be really stupid.

Another group that doesn't get paid enough for their daily life/death jobs: firemen and cops. I looked up online how much state troopers make here in Oklahoma. I am embarassed to say that I know clerks in hospitals that make more than these troopers. *****. I couldn't believe it. The next time one pulls me over for speeding (yikes), I will thank him/her for protecting me. If you are a cop or fireman out there reading this: thank you. Of course, always thanks to the military men and women who protec6t this great nation.

[MOTHERGREEN]

bull, a girl at my mom's office's husband is a firefighter and he makes big bank! he has enough money to buy homes and buisnesses all around the country and doesn't even work 5 days a week 9 to 5 even gets over time for sleeping at the station so you can't lump firefighters in with cops and military because they get paid way more than both combined.

[sweetbutsassy]

I apologize. The one or two I knew didn't make squat. Maybe some do make major dough. You know what, I still think the job they do is very dangerous and they deserve to make decent money. The guy from the office: how long had he been a firefighter? Was he married with kids? Doesn't really matter. I didn't mean to offend you and lump cops and firefighters together.

[MOTHERGREEN]

yeah man im all for the firefighters makin big bank they deserve it but then again so do cops and military because they have just as equal a risk as firefighters and cops and military spend more time on duty than firefighters do anyhow so its not really fair that they dont do quite as riskfull a job and get the proper pay over the others who are generally more often at risk

[sweetbutsassy]

I agree, cops and military don't make enough and yes they do put their life on the line. That's why I mentioned it. I didn't realize that we were going to micro-analyze every aspect of the comment or I wouldn't have made it. Can we just agree that there are many men and women that put their lives on the line that are way underpaid-regardless of their jobs? Didn't this whole thread start out with a mention that someone was bad-mouthing the military and saying they are overpaid? I wasn't the person that said that. Friends?

[MOTHERGREEN]

I'm not tryin to be an ass about it I'm just trying to explain why I think the way I do so whoever doesn't feel like that can see why I do ya know? It wasn't aimed directly at you in any sort of bad way.

[sweetbutsassy]

Thank you for the explaination. I was hoping you weren't looking for a fight. Let me give you this to think about: you are hearing it from a girl at work's mom's opinion of this one particular guy. Follow me, ok? How do they know that he doesn't do things on the side BESIDES firefight? Check this out: I know people that have these little crappy jobs that make little income but still own rental homes. They struggle every month, hoping to find a better job one day so the rentals will be gravy for them. I also know someone that has a great job, lives in a fantastic house..has cars, boat, everything... living the American dream. BUT his credit card debt is OVER $30,000, second mortgage on house and car/boat payments. Oh, and his wife left him. Took alot of his stuff (not the debt). There goes 2nd income. He ended up having to downscale house, get rid of boat and trade in car. Also winded up filing bankruptcy if I remember correctly. I learned a long time ago that you cannot judge a book by it's cover. A relative had a friend once that was young, didn't make much money at his manual labor job. I was surprised to learn he had over $150,000 in the bank. I said WHAT!? Turns out his parents died or something and he got it in a settlement. Too bad he liked to drink and drive---lawyers and court ended up getting it all. He ended up dying (in his mid 30's) of a heart attack due to excessive alcohol consumption. You can never tell about a person. That's where I am coming from.

[reconvic]

When I was in the Corps I had addition combat, scuba and jump pay which was all of less then 100 a month back in 68, It got a little better










Originally posted by sweetbutsassy
I agree, cops and military don't make enough and yes they do put their life on the line. That's why I mentioned it. I didn't realize that we were going to micro-analyze every aspect of the comment or I wouldn't have made it. Can we just agree that there are many men and women that put their lives on the line that are way underpaid-regardless of their jobs? Didn't this whole thread start out with a mention that someone was bad-mouthing the military and saying they are overpaid? I wasn't the person that said that. Friends? :)

[RussP]

Originally posted by MOTHERGREEN
bull, a girl at my mom's office's husband is a firefighter and he makes big bank! he has enough money to buy homes and buisnesses all around the country and doesn't even work 5 days a week 9 to 5 even gets over time for sleeping at the station so you can't lump firefighters in with cops and military because they get paid way more than both combined. Many firefighters have second incomes from businesses they start. They have adequate time off to develop a decent business schedule.

About the rude and derogatory comment about getting overtime for sleeping at the station. If they were not there pulling overtime and your house or business caught fire...

I have several firefighter/EMS people in my family. Overtime is sometimes not an option. Take some time to learn the business before you critisize...

And, yes, firefighters....nevermind, there is no way you can understand...

sweetbutsassy, congratulations for having more patience than I...

MOTHERGREEN, what do you do for a living...just curious.

[RussP]

Originally posted by reconvic
When I was in the Corps I had addition combat, scuba and jump pay which was all of less then 100 a month back in 68, It got a little better
:) Ya should have gone Air Force.... I think I got like $125 a month in flight and combat pay!!!

:cool: :cool: :cool:

[sweetbutsassy]

Thank you RussP, I needed the support! Regarding his comparison between cops and fireman: I hope that if one day Mothergreen finds himself on fire (God forbid), that fireman wasn't a reader of this thread. Instead of hosing Mothergreen down, he may throw him a Glock (in his reference of the dangerous, continuous job cops do as compared to firemen who don't). I respect the hell out of firemen, cops, military. I would never say any were overpaid.

[MOTHERGREEN]

My mom knows their family pretty well so when she says he has nothing else as far as a job besides that then it's pretty truthfull. the only thing I know of that he does on the side is data entry for the lapd (typing meaningless paperwork all day long...)

[RussP]

Originally posted by MOTHERGREEN
My mom knows their family pretty well so when she says he has nothing else as far as a job besides that then it's pretty truthfull.Okay, so one truthful fact.

But, wait, if that is the truth... What is this?the only thing I know of that he does on the side is data entry for the lapd (typing meaningless paperwork all day long...) So, which is true?

Why the derogatory editorial comment, "(typing meaningless paperwork all day long...)"?

What again is it you do for a living, MOTHERGREEN?


:cool:

[RussP]

Originally posted by sweetbutsassy
Thank you RussP, I needed the support! Regarding his comparison between cops and fireman: I hope that if one day Mothergreen finds himself on fire (God forbid), that fireman wasn't a reader of this thread. Instead of hosing Mothergreen down, he may throw him a Glock (in his reference of the dangerous, continuous job cops do as compared to firemen who don't). I respect the hell out of firemen, cops, military. I would never say any were overpaid. You're welcome...

:cool:

[MOTHERGREEN]

what does what I do for a living have anything to do with what I said he does during the months on end that hes not required to be at the station?

[sweetbutsassy]

Good eye RussP. I kind of glazed over the comment by Mothergreen myself. Guess when you work for the feds and hear b.s. so often, it tends to affect you in that way. Mothergreen is entitled to his opinion just as we are each entitled to ours---free country, right? However given his age (based on his profile), he'll have to gain a little more life experience. RussP, hope you had a good day. I, myself, had a rough day and need to go lay down. Imagine that? A government worker that not only cares BUT ALSO WORKS HER A** OFF. Bet someone will comment on that...."government employees don't work--they sit around and suck the clock." Lemme tell you this: I do a 15-hour day in an 8-hour shift. Very underpaid for my time, talent, and stress level that I am kept under. SO.....with that said, I need to go lay down.

[RussP]

Originally posted by MOTHERGREEN
what does what I do for a living have anything to do with what I saidI comment based on life experiences and professional training. Your profile is a little sparse. All we know is that you're 19. As sweetbutsassy said, "However given his age (based on his profile), he'll have to gain a little more life experience."

You cite one firefighter doing sidework at LAPD (Hey, we know you live in the LA area, where exactly?). When my son-in-law was a Sgt with a medium size fire department, he did construction work on his off days. He also carried a beeper because his skill level demanded that he be available for certain fire/rescue events.

I missed this in an earlier post:Originally posted by MOTHERGREEN
yeah man im all for the firefighters makin big bank they deserve it but then again so do cops and military because they have just as equal a risk as firefighters and cops and military spend more time on duty than firefighters do anyhow so its not really fair that they dont do quite as riskfull a job and get the proper pay over the others who are generally more often at risk
Sorry, but again, your statement is incorrect.

Wait, wait, wait...This is where the sleeping at the station comes in. Firefighters don't go home every night. They sleep at the station. It is part of their "Shift". Go down to the nearest fire station and talk with them... They'll explain.he does during the months on end that hes not required to be at the station? Okay, so he is a professional firefighter but he isn't required to be at the station for months on end? What department does he work with?

:cool:

[RussP]

Originally posted by sweetbutsassy
...Lemme tell you this: I do a 15-hour day in an 8-hour shift. Very underpaid for my time, talent, and stress level that I am kept under. SO.....with that said, I need to go lay down. Feeling better?

[MOTHERGREEN]

hell I don't know first hand I just know what my mom tells me cuz she can't stop naggin about them because oh they have more money than us bla freakin blah..

[sweetbutsassy]

Yes RussP. I do feel better. Thank you for asking. I just woke up. I apologize for being a little cranky before...when I'm not feeling well and people are being stupid..... As I was driving home in rush hour traffic, I was seeing sparkly things and beginning to lose site in one eye (on top of the chest pain I had been having). Scared the crap out of me. Thought, "This is it, my job finally has killed me." After I posted, I layed down and slept it off. Guess I will take it easy the rest of the night. :)

[RussP]

Originally posted by MOTHERGREEN
hell I don't know first hand I just know what my mom tells me cuz she can't stop naggin about them because oh they have more money than us bla freakin blah.. Okay, we're getting there...

Many firefighters amd EMS types I know, both professional and volunteer, work hard at managing their money because they know, unfortunately, that an accident on the job can end that career and significantly lower that cashflow. So, yes, it is possible the firefighter and his wife, wife her income and his two incomes will make more money than others. They also work a bit more.

Police officers are the same way. They pull overtime and do private work on off duty time. Again, they know it could all be over in a heartbeat.

Don't begrudge them their success, and this includes your mom, for they've work hard to earn it.

What business is your mom in?

:cool:

[RussP]

Originally posted by sweetbutsassy
Yes RussP. I do feel better. Thank you for asking. I just woke up. I apologize for being a little cranky before...when I'm not feeling well and people are being stupid..... As I was driving home in rush hour traffic, I was seeing sparkly things and beginning to lose site in one eye (on top of the chest pain I had been having). Scared the crap out of me. Thought, "This is it, my job finally has killed me." After I posted, I layed down and slept it off. Guess I will take it easy the rest of the night. :) And while we do not know each other all that well, when the hell are you going to a physician about all this?????;P ;P

[sweetbutsassy]

Well, good question...Especially since I've had "chest pains" on and off since last year. I think it is chest pains related to the undue amount of stress and pressure my job puts on me. OK, the undue amount of stress and pressure I allow my job to put on me. I work in a hostile work environment (documented by management) and my bosses do nothing to fix it. They are a major part of the problem--they do nothing. Today I could feel it in my carotids. That's what really scared me. ARGH stroke in rush hour--not good! I did go to stress management last year due to this hostile work environment and they recommended I get a hobby (and another job). Thus, my gun shooting days began! That's how I got my Glock and have been shooting ever since. :) I am currently looking for another job. I wish I could find a way to work from home so I can have more time with my child. But hey, this is the life I have. Thank you for your concern. :) Nice to know there are those that care.

[MOTHERGREEN]

I don't know what you call it but she does like the finances and stuff for a dentists office

[RussP]

Originally posted by MOTHERGREEN
I don't know what you call it but she does like the finances and stuff for a dentists office Dentists don't pay jack...

She's probably good at it and understands the insurance side as well. Dealing with insurance claims, she must have made contacts at the dental plan providers. That is where the money gets a little better. That, or a larger dental group. There are hundreds of then in LA, Orange County, SB County and more are moving to Riverside as well. Cost of living is less over there in the Inland Empire as well.

Now, what the hell do you do?

:cool:

[MOTHERGREEN]

well I'm not the best student in the world I got what they call a problem with athority. so I'm in a program where I take classes and I get my ged and regular diploma I already got the ged and am 1 algebra class away from getting the diploma soon as I do I got a guaranteed job at fedex. It's not that hard a work and it's only part time but starting pay is pretty decent and bennifits after 6 months is great too.

[Linh40]

Well I didn't intend my posting to turn into a Firefighter vs Cop vs Military. I will say the military makes the least. As for hours if deployed military does work the longest hours. But the reason that firefighter and cops make more is because average new firefighter/cop has more training than the average military person. Not all jobs in the military translate to civilian jobs contrary to popular belief.

When I was in Iraq for 15 months I made less money then most people but I bet I got more money in the bank then those people. While they were spending their money I didn't have an opportunity to spend mine.

So moral of the story is it doesn't matter how much you make. If you don't like what you're makin get another job.

[RussP]

Originally posted by MOTHERGREEN
well I'm not the best student in the world I got what they call a problem with athority. so I'm in a program where I take classes and I get my ged and regular diploma I already got the ged and am 1 algebra class away from getting the diploma soon as I do I got a guaranteed job at fedex. It's not that hard a work and it's only part time but starting pay is pretty decent and bennifits after 6 months is great too. Job at FedEx??? They must not have thought you had too much problem with authority...

I have a problem with authority also. It is the proper use of authority. Oh, let there be no mistake, I do have the authority in my company. What really POs me is when those that need to learn what I have to teach don't come and ask for it. That is the real "Problem with Authority". Don't get PO'd when they tell you to do some stupid job. Ask them if they can help you, tell you how do it better. Ask them to help you get better.

By the way, most jobs at FedEx are demanding in one way or another. Drivers are prima-donnas; they think they are the best of the company...They are important, very important. They only succeed with an outstnding performance by the support people.

DO NOT DISRESPECT THEM, they can make your life miserable. If you do an excellent job, however, they put in a good word for you...promotion.

Now, lighten up, read a lot of posts about everything, and think before you hit the [ENTER] key.

And PM me if you have questions...

RussP

[MOTHERGREEN]

I know several of the drivers and ramp agents thru going shooting with them so I'm not really seeing anyone giving me a hard time however if it should happen I guess I'll have to man up and get thru it like I did with so many terrible teachers I've had in my time

[Linh40]

Originally posted by MOTHERGREEN
I know several of the drivers and ramp agents thru going shooting with them so I'm not really seeing anyone giving me a hard time however if it should happen I guess I'll have to man up and get thru it like I did with so many terrible teachers I've had in my time

How did you deal with your terrible teachers? Teachers are there to teach and you're there to learn.

[MOTHERGREEN]

ha teachers there to teach.. I can give the names of several teachers who just sat at their desk and slept instead of teaching... and when you asked them a question they would say "I don't know ask something else"

edit: I even had one history teacher that was like your typical extreme liberal and despite the fact that I did all the work turned it all in passed all the tests still failed me simply because I did not agree with any of his political views what so ever

[RussP]

Originally posted by MOTHERGREEN
I know several of the drivers and ramp agents thru going shooting with them so I'm not really seeing anyone giving me a hard time however if it should happen I guess I'll have to man up and get thru it like I did with so many terrible teachers I've had in my time Hey, the teachers were perfect. All teachers are perfect. Right? Just kidding. In college I had a 99 average in biology. I did something that really PO'd the professor. Somehow I flunked the final exam and flunked the course. Go figure... He was fired a year later based on what I did. Paybacks... He got me, but I won the war.

Look, you are one algebra class away from a HS Degree, stick with it and put that phase of your education behind you.

It will be a little different on the line at FedEx than at the range with the guys and gals that work there. Ask them to teach you everything they know, all the right things to do and the little things that make the difference. Don't rely on one person either. Take a little bit from everyone and remember, one day, a rookie may come to you and say, "Can you teach me how to be as good as you?"

:cool:

[MOTHERGREEN]

that sucks russ I guess you understand what I mean how teachers have no problem with ruining your summer/future just cuz they don't like you. thanks for the advice and well take care and have fun shooting :)

[RussP]

Originally posted by MOTHERGREEN
that sucks russ I guess you understand what I mean how teachers have no problem with ruining your summer/future just cuz they don't like you. thanks for the advice and well take care and have fun shooting :) I have a rule...

When I give advice that might help you, or teach you something, then you have the obligation to take that and use it to help someone else. That sound fair?

I always enjoy shooting, no matter how serious the drill is.

:cool:

[MOTHERGREEN]

fair enuff ;c

[keltic]

firemen in omaha make 70 grand after five years.. not bad

[Sapperstang]

Yeah that guy is a pure idiot. The Fox news guys did good. The military should make more but they make more than minimum wage. I made much more when I was in than I do now. In my eight years in I never once saw anyone on food stamps. The pay is decent especially considering the benefits.

[RENEA]

Originally posted by APD
I heard a guy on Sirius radio a week or so ago spewing the same thing; "soldiers get paid to much".
He was a bean counter working in a cubicle making like 45k a year with no military/supervisory experience.
He has a few websites but I cant quote them off-hand.
Something like "americasucks.net" or something similar.

I'd love to see this guy sent over to the Sunni Triangle for a 12 month hitch and then ask him if he feels our gallant troops make to much!:soap:

[Linh40]

Originally posted by Sapperstang
Yeah that guy is a pure idiot. The Fox news guys did good. The military should make more but they make more than minimum wage. I made much more when I was in than I do now. In my eight years in I never once saw anyone on food stamps. The pay is decent especially considering the benefits.

I don't even think we make close to min wage. For the normal deployment of one year we'll use a E4 pay with 3 years as an example. We'll assume min wage is $7. The Soldier will work (We'll keep it simple and assume only 12 hours a year). we'll also will not include overtime pay so pay will still be at 7 an hour after 8 hours. So if paid hourly the E4 would make $29,904 a year. I know for a fact I didn't make that much money. An E4 would only make about 24k so that's a 5k difference.

[ronim]

First off, hey to the guy from Omaha my home town. When I was looking at getting out. Omaha PD was looking to direct hire me at 35k a year start. My friends on the PD make over 60k, back then with only over 5 years in. My friends on the Omaha FD Make even more than that and work less hours, but who wants to be burned. Me I make less, BUT I choose to. I am a soldier, it is not a job, it is a life style. I did not join or stay in because of the money that is for sure. It is because of job satifaction. I enjoy going around and helping others protect or change governments that are a threat to themselves as a country or us as a whole.

The reason for this post is to say, I have seen young married soldiers when they are starting off in the military on food stamps. Not many mind you, but one soldier who is willing to lay down his life for your safety, on food stamps is to many.

Plus most soldiers who move into the specialty fields in the military can make 150k + a year working contracts for companies taking over different operations in combat zones. So there is money to be made if Soldiers really want to just do it for the cash.

[MOTHERGREEN]

In that case it's not fair to say that all soldiers make too much cash because it seems to me that it's just like any other job you have you high and low paid positions

[LittleLebowski]

Here's the site for Michael Crook (http://michaelcrooktalks.com/node/223)

[David_G17]

http://www.forsakethetroops.info/crook.wmv

^ the video of him on fox news.

[izzyandal]

In a group that is not compensated properly should include: Nurses, garbage men, teachers, cops, firefighters.
I was Army and in an elite unit and had the best of weapons and equipment.
The Marines get hand-me-downs from other branches. That is just plain wrong.
One of my Gyrene friends tells me his M-9 was loose and rattling. His unit armorer didn't even have the parts to make proper repairs.

Maybe if Halliburton was making a profit the parts would be there.

I was at a VA clinic this morning and I was close to tears seeing the WWII and Vietnam heros getting less than what they needed. Bush gives us veterans lip service and not much more.

[LittleLebowski]

Marines don't get hand-me-downs, we just buy cheaper and make it last waaaay too long. We're getting there with new M4s and ACOGS finally. I'd punch Michael Crook if I saw him in the street.

[4TS&W]

Wow. I have never before seen someone so desperately in need of having sense beaten into them as this (ahem) individual.

He should spend a few weeks with Gunnery Sgt. Hartmann! ;f

[FatBob]

Wow, I just checked out that guys website. At first I was really PO'd that he would say such things. Then the more I read, I feel sorry for him. It's sad when someone is just to STUPID to understand. Oh well.

By the way, I was active duty for almost 7 years. I was in an MP assigned to a small infantry unit that set up in a "hot spot" for an extended time (gunfire and explosions were extremely common). My Hazardous duty pay was something like $60 a month! I obviously was in it for the money! By the way, while assigned to the infantry unit, I didn't see my wife/family for over a year, so I guess I wasn't in it for the security either. However, that was the first (only) time I had to do surgery on one of my soldiers (remember I was an MP!), and the medic that I assisted blew his foot off a couple days later on a land mine! I wonder how many time Mr. Crook had to identify a body, or investigate why there was said body, I remember vividly every time I had to do it! But I guess we were raking in the cash (according to Mr. Crook) so it was all worth it.

He talks about how angry he is, and how we shouldn't feel for soldiers or respect them because they signed up, and weren't drafted? Here, I felt it was my duty to sign up, and serve my country. I never wanted anything out of it, I did it to "give" to my country which I would die for. But now it seems like so many are just there to "take" what they feel they deserve, without giving anything back. I don't expect him to understand.

Sleep tight Mr. Crook.
Kory.
US Army, Sgt, 97-03

[izzyandal]

They, who are right wing zealots, didn't have to give that rat airtime.

What difference does it make if a GI was drafted or volunteered.

We, who wore the uniform and took up arms to defend our freedoms are equally to be thanked.

All gave some, some gave all.

Al
14th Armored Cavalry