Just switched to 147gr!

[Dr. J Frame]

I recently came across the below info at Ammolab (www.ammolab.com), and read the recent posts reguarding the 147's here at Niner's Club.
Lab & Street Proven Loadings

We receive tens of thousands of email and messages each year from readers who want to know if we have street shooting files. The answer is no we do not, we do consult on dozens of court cases each year but those files are the property of our clients and the Agencies they work for.

Having said that and acknowledged that we do not have access to secret information here is a list of handgun loadings that have worked effectively for the LE Officers who depended upon them that have also tested very well in the laboratory:

9mm-
Federal 135gr LE9T5
Remington 147gr Golden Saber
Speer Gold Dot 124gr+P
Winchester Ranger 127gr +P+ RA9TA
Winchester Ranger 147gr RA9T
The Golden Saber is available in every shop that sells ammunition around here so I picked up 150 rounds for testing. If it functioned well I'd have no problems finding it in the future.

Tonight, using my G26, I ran the first 10 rounds through the Chronos. Average velocity was 1008 fps. The velocities were very consistant, with a 1004 for a low and 1014 for a high. From what I've read on the 147gr loads, this is fairly good for a 3 1/2" tube.

In all, I went through 100rnds and saved the last 50 for carry. I encountered zero malfunctions and accuracy was outstanding. This might be because the recoil is SO much less than my usual carry, the Corbon 115gr+P. It's also MUCH quieter and had less flash.

Our winters seem to last 9 months around here. Normal dress is a couple undershirts, a flannel shirt and a heavy Carthart Jacket. I'm thinking the heavier bullet would suit me much better, given my environment.

[Glock19Fan]

That seems pretty good for a 147 grainer. Most are getting about 950 FPS from a 26.

Anyway, congrats on the switch! Most 147s are really good stuff, especially the Golden Sabers.

[GlockMonk23]

I have stuck with them (147 gr. though a different brand) from the very start - I have not looked back or regretted a thing!

[Dandapani]

Let me pull out this dusty old, overused picture of some wet pack testing I did with my PM9 and 147 grain ammo. GS was the best expander...

http://img26.echo.cx/img26/9982/147grn3fk.th.jpg (http://img26.echo.cx/my.php?image=147grn3fk.jpg)

I promise, last time I'll show this...

[DocH]

No,Dan! Keep showing it! People need convincing.

[Merkavaboy]

Originally posted by DocH
No,Dan! Keep showing it! People need convincing.

People need convincing....that wet pack and other backyard ballistic media has no correllation to human tissue. Bullets recovered from humans RARELY look like the picture perfect bullets pulled from such media. Just because a bullet expands in ductseal, modeling clay, wax, wet cotton, water jugs, soaked newspaper & even ballistic gel doesn't mean that it'll perform the same way in a human.

[gary newport]

Originally posted by Merkavaboy
People need convincing....that wet pack and other backyard ballistic media has no correllation to human tissue. Bullets recovered from humans RARELY look like the picture perfect bullets pulled from such media. Just because a bullet expands in ductseal, modeling clay, wax, wet cotton, water jugs, soaked newspaper & even ballistic gel doesn't mean that it'll perform the same way in a human.

Actually, Dr. Eugene Wolberg did a study comparing ballistic gelatin results with the same round recovered from autopsies and found a high correlation in both expansion and penetration when comparing rounds which had passed through soft tissue. (The round happened to be Winchester's 147 grain 9mm HP.)

That said, the same bullets don't always behave exactly the same in gelatin, and humans have bones, whiskey flasks, and other non-soft components. However, a bullet that DOESN'T perform well in the FBI protocol is not likely to perform well in human tissue. In fact, Dr. Wolberg concluded his study with a comment that formal testing with gelatin might be most useful in identifying poor performers.

[DocH]

Thank you,Gary. Saved me a lot of typing.