S9 type II malfunction

[tackdriver]

My S9 (the one that does not reset while dry firing) had two type II malfunctions per 500rds. In both cases the fired casing remained in the breach and was not extracted. Therefore, the next live round was loaded into the back causing a type II malfunction. This happend during a tactical handgun class. Needless to say, those in the class were not impressed. Somebody else with a 'Smith Sigma had extraction problems too. I never thought I would be in a similar class with a Sigma. :(

Due to extraction problems and the reset issue that persists, I have decided to send the pistol in for a look. Now where do I send it? :(

The little guy was doing great: more accurate shooting than the G19, better feel than the G19 and much faster sight/target aquisition than the G19/mepros.

To make matters worse, Blade-Tech has taken 6 weeks to make/ship my holster. ;P

[uncle_walty]

What type of ammo were you using? Extractor assembly, ammo, tight chamber, recoil spring tension (ammo related), magazine follower tension and external obstruction of the slide can casue FTE and double feed. At least you got a chance to practice clearing a double feed during you class. Very important to practice since it can happen at the worst times.

[tackdriver]

Important to practice. I do not want it happening. Only one other pistol I have had has done this: a 1911. My carry pistol should not be doing this.

Where should it be sent?

[FlaChef]

Agreed, not good for a carry piece to do, even if it was only twice in 500 rounds

the problem right now...
No where to send it untill the new warranty/repair center gets up and running.;P

right now we here and at www.steyrclub.com are the tech support.

have you done the extractor removal/cleaning as per tutorial?
what ammo?
have you cleaned your mags? (sounds stupid but the one time my M did this a few times this solved it)
have you removed the actiona assembly and cleaned?

if memory serves then I think you have. Last step is to polish extractor and chamber, might be just barely too tight.

[srfl]

I've had that type of malfunction in two of my Steyrs: an M357 and M9. With the M357, I had it happen 3 times...I've since removed and cleaned the extractor but have not fired the gun. With the M9, it only happened once.

[NeXD]

I would change the ammo you are using and do a detailed strip and cleaning of the pistol, especially the extractor.

I have a feeling that will clear up your issues

Otherwise your pistol is out of commission for 6 months or more while Steyr gets their head out of their ass and gets a new warranty center up and running.

[uncle_walty]

I've had 2 double feeds on my M9. On time was during a practical pistol match while it was raining real hard. I had my oversized milsurp raincoat on and the sleeve might have gotten in the way of the slide. Don't know if the rain might have caused it but it was tough to clear that jam with wet hands and slide. The other time it was when the M9 was real dirty after 5 weeks of weekly matches with some practice in between (600+ rounds).

I loaded 200 rounds of light 147 grain FMJ recently that was a little too soft shooting (2.8 gr of Universal, Rainier FP, 1.115 OAL) for the M9. Had several stove pipes and couple FTE.

With the rare intermitten FTE or double feed of 2 in 500, it will be very difficult for the service center (if there was one) to diagnose and fix other than R&R and hope. Those occurances may have been due to variables other than the gun. Were you doing something in class that might have caused a change in your normal shooting process? Some gun designs are more robust for function under various conditions than others.

[tackdriver]

I was using S&B 115gr. I know this is a bit hotter than the standard Winchester white. I wanted to emulate recoil of personal defense ammo while performing all the moving/shooting drills.

One of the type II's came when I was slow firing for accuracy, the last round of 5; I did not know it had jammed. I had stopped to see the target and happened to look into what I thought was an empty chamber. Limp wrist? I doubt it but I was so into the front sight that this is possible. This still does not explain the case left in the breach. The other I was on my back firing quick sighted shots between my legs when the pistol locked up. Yeah, try clearing a type II on your back with the instructor yelling: "he is still coming hurry, hurry".
Mags? Maybe but I think this is an extractor issue.

The pistol was very detailed before the class. I removed the frame "cradle" and cleaned it thoroughly. Same for the extractor assembly and the breach face. The pistol was VERY clean to start with. First problem at about 200rds. Second around 450.

This may be due to a "hotter" ammo issue in conjunction with a tighter chamber. I should have tried to save the one casing I found. It would be interesting to see if the rim was torn by the extractor, or if the primer was set back due to pressure.

Bummer about the service. I know a gunsmith I can use but he is not "fluent" with Steyr pistols. Yes, only twice in 500rds would be difficult to diagnose.

A friend told me this is my reward for switching from Glock. I agree the Glock is wonderful (I switched to the G19 half way through the class) but I do shoot the Steyr better. And the S9 feels better. I would switch to my M9A1 if I had an IWB holster for it.;g

Thanks for the "tech service". I knew you guys would come through in lieu of the factory having any- in English rather than Austrian/German/Swiss... Until the problem is resolved I can still count on my G19. Not a bad compromise I guess.