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When I went to a certain gun store, the guy there told me that when I buy another Glock, i should have it installed with a selector for full auto. Should I do it? tell me about its reliability, ROF, and whatever else you can say.;b
WIN9639445
10-04-2001, 02:46
I am from the phillipines but I live in the U.S. now, but over there it is all about full auto and suppressed weapons. I woul definetly do it to convert any 9mm Glock model W/ the factory selector for full auto. There are guns smiths over there that use factory G18 selector parts to do the conversions. Here is a web site with video clips of a guy in the phillipines that only owns full auto 9mm GLOCK's and H&K suppressed weapons, very neat!
http://www.panix.com/~ericl/guns/
His converted 9mm GLOCKs and the video clips of him shooting them are awesome!
TheSniper
10-04-2001, 11:10
The videos dont work
Umm it's not legal in the USA to 'make' a machinegun no matter what some idiot at a gun store says. There are no glock 18's for civilian transfer. Lets just get used to it guys! Just having posession of full auto parts might be breaking the law.
r2kba, if you look at Cypher's post again, you will see that he is in the Philippines. The Philippines is much more friendly to full auto than the United States is.
And yes, under the NFA, any set of "gun parts" that can convert a gun to full-auto is itself treated the same as a full-auto firearm (which is why you have to go thru the Class III hoops if you want to purchase a full-auto sear).
errr ooooops!! =) I just assume everyone is from the USA :);f
Yo guys, hows the recoil on full auto in a glock 35 and glock 27? does it have a kick as strong as a horse?;b
WIN9639445
10-06-2001, 16:32
I do not think you are going to find any one who has converted a .40 cal GLOCK to full auto. It is usually just done to the 9mm GLOCK series. I believe the .40 would be difficut to control.
Hey Cypher, Put a Full Auto conversion on a G31 and let me know what you think. I bet it will 'Rock your world' !!!;a ;a ;g
Is having a full auto selector on your glock illegal in ipsc & idpa? let me know what you think.;b
While ATF has deemed it illegal to have any full-auto parts in an AR15, it is not uncommon to have FA parts in other rifles and is perfectly legal. Go look at some HK91s, 93s,94s, or SP89s and I'll bet you see a lot of welded or factory full-auto bolt carriers. The "one part makes an MG" rule is only for ARs.
i dont get what you said G31.;d
I was responding to Zathras' post, but I read it incorrectly. I thought he was referring to something else. My mistake. In the Philippines, you don't have to worry about these crazy laws.
Originally posted by G31
While ATF has deemed it illegal to have any full-auto parts in an AR15, it is not uncommon to have FA parts in other rifles and is perfectly legal. Go look at some HK91s, 93s,94s, or SP89s and I'll bet you see a lot of welded or factory full-auto bolt carriers. The "one part makes an MG" rule is only for ARs.
This is the first I've heard of this. As far as I knew, a full-auto sear was treated the same as an MG for ANY firearm, not just for AR15's. Can you point me to a web page or anything on this?
dhutcheson
10-14-2001, 10:24
The reason it is not uncommon to find full auto parts in other firearms is. It is certian parts that cause a firearm to be classified as a MG, for example in the AR it is the sear while with a Tec 9 and Mac 11 it is the bolt. As it stands now an individual can no longer convert a firearm to Class III. The guns that are being converted today can ONLY be transfered to another Class III dealer or Law Inforcement Department. If you like MG like I do save your money and buy the older converted guns. Its not worth the 10 years at Club Fed and never being able to own a gun again to me. PS Great Forum
someone bought a mini 14 from wal mart- that person took it out to the range and all it would fire was tri-burst. He did no mods to it-came from the factory that way. No selector switch. The person took it back
and got a normal simi auto. Must have been a fluk. Would he be held liable if that person got cought with it?
dhutcheson
10-15-2001, 08:10
A mini 14 is a semi auto from the factory never a full auto. Because this firearm was purchased this way.,I would have contacted Ruger first, this is a defect in the gun comming from the manufacturer. If he was caught before returning it I still think it would be a case of guilty till he proved himself innocent as sad as that sounds. Either way it would be a case of an unregestered Class III in his possesion. I left a a key issue with my last post, regestered transferable parts can be legally placed in a new gun. Hence a M16 full auto sear $127.00 a legal transferable M16 full auto sear around $4000.00. NOW IF I WAS A BG WOULD WORRY IF MY MG WAS LEGAL. I am sorry to rant but this is a stupid law that does not prevent anyone from getting a MG that wants one. It just makes honest people like me who love to collect and shoot MG's have a more costly hobby.
dennysguns
10-17-2001, 13:07
Full auto parts are in and of themselves not illegal. There are only 2 guns that can get you into trouble, the M1 Carbine and the AR 15 Series. BATF has ruled that possession of 1 full auto part and one of these guns is illegal and you can be charged with possession of a machine gun if caught.
With all other guns you must have a combination of parts either in the gun or that can be READILY ASSEMBLED to the gun that will fire more than one shot with one pull of the trigger to get into trouble.
Any malfunctioning semi auto should be returned to the factory or repaired by a competent gunsmith immediately
Denny
Dennys Guns
07/02 SOT
CanadianGlockFan
10-18-2001, 04:15
In regards to the Glocks, I've fired a couple of full-auto examples (but never a factory Glock 18), and the rate of fire on these things is so fast (obo. 12-1300 rpm), that they climb like a SOB, and you end up wasting more ammo than you hit with. With a 10-rounder, you just MIGHT be able to get two bursts, and I'd rather have 11 controlled rounds than just going "BRRRRP" "BRRP" twice.
Originally posted by CanadianGlockFan
In regards to the Glocks, I've fired a couple of full-auto examples (but never a factory Glock 18), and the rate of fire on these things is so fast (obo. 12-1300 rpm), that they climb like a SOB, and you end up wasting more ammo than you hit with. With a 10-rounder, you just MIGHT be able to get two bursts, and I'd rather have 11 controlled rounds than just going "BRRRRP" "BRRP" twice.
Check out my web page http://www.jpcorp.com/glock
there you'll see me firing a Factory G18. I was able to get 2 and 3 shot bursts and I could easily keep all 30+ round on target in about a 12" group Full Auto!
These things ROCK! Click on the picture of my friend, Butch shooting tracers on full auto and you'll see what i mean. All shots are shown going into the target at like 10-15 yards I think it was.
Jon
RenegadeGlocker
10-22-2001, 03:46
A good legal ruling to be familiar with from a few years ago was the USSC Thompson-Contender case. It was really a Tax law case, but since the Tax law was relative to NFA weapons, it describes how parts are handled, and when parts become an NFA weapon, and thus subject to tax or felony violations.
CanadianGlockFan
10-22-2001, 03:56
The ones I fired (17s and 22s) were back-plate conversions, and I still don't see how anyone can reasonably expect to keep their shots on a practical target at any range past 10-12 feet; my thinking is, if you want full-auto, go to an MP-5, and you won't have a problem with shots going into unwanted areas.
UZIFORME
10-24-2001, 10:31
Canadian Glock Shooter. There is a big difference between a shooter with a machinegun and a machinegun shooter with a machinegun.
Just the statement that you can't understand how someone could control one of these things shows your lack of experience and limited exposure to full auto fire. Done properly it is a versatile weapon platform.
Keep in mind that a select fire weapon can do anything an autoloader can do plus one more.
CanadianGlockFan
10-25-2001, 06:28
Maybe you have more experience with "machine pistols" than I do (maybe), but you still need some way of controlling that mass while you're firing it; I've fired full-autos from converted Ruger Mk IIs up to Browning M2s, and one thing that is certain is, the less mass in the gun, the more of that recoil is directed into the shooter, and that shooter then has to maintain control over the firearm while firing. The ability to go "BRRRP" and hose down a target at arm's length doesn't make a firearm any more "versatile", but it does make it more likely that a shot or shots is going to go in unwanted directions. Perhaps you have enough insurance that you don't care about these things, but I prefer to keep my bullets going in a controlled direction.
FISHMAN@TP.NET
10-30-2001, 23:57
WHAT ABOUT TRI-FIRE PARTS I SEE IN THE MAGAZEANS?
I SEE THUM ON AR'S IN THE AD, BUT CAN YOU PUT THUM ON ANYTHING? AND HOW LEAGLE ARE THAY?
WITH ONE PULL ON THE TRIGER, THOUGH A SPECLE SPRING ON THE TRIGER, THREE SHOTS WILL BE FIRED.
THANKS IN ADVANCE.
RICH.
PACKIN' PLASTIC
10-31-2001, 00:01
Fishman,
I can't/won't understand your slang.
FISHMAN@TP.NET
10-31-2001, 02:44
I DID NOT MEAN TO OFFEND YOU PACKING PLASTIC,
AND I DID NOT MEAN TO WRITI IN CODE.
PLEASE LET ME KNOW THE SLANG THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND, AND I WILL NOT USE IT AGAIN FOR THE SAKE OF EVERYONE.
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
RICH.
PACKIN' PLASTIC
10-31-2001, 04:40
Originally posted by FISHMAN@TP.NET
WHAT ABOUT TRI-FIRE PARTS I SEE IN THE MAGAZEANS?
I SEE THUM ON AR'S IN THE AD, BUT CAN YOU PUT THUM ON ANYTHING? AND HOW LEAGLE ARE THAY?
WITH ONE PULL ON THE TRIGER, THOUGH A SPECLE SPRING ON THE TRIGER, THREE SHOTS WILL BE FIRED.
THANKS IN ADVANCE.
RICH.
Maybe slang was the wrong term, spelling? grammer?
It would be much easier to read your posts if you would kill the caps lock and type a little slower, thus spelling words better.
PP
FISHMAN@TP.NET
11-01-2001, 00:29
Sorry plastic, I will try to remember to take the caps off.
As far as my spelling and grammar, disleptick and am the product of a poor education system in my town. I have a few learning disabilities which makes me work 5 times harder than the normal person. But I at least put that much in now to get my point across. I am trying to use a dictate program on my computer now. Which will help me on my spelling, and not drive me crazy backspaceing all the time on the keyboard. but it still won't help with my English.
I don't know what to tell you. I have a lot of experience in the firearm circle. I know someone can benefit from my experiences. If my English continues to take away from your enjoyment of this list, please forgive and ignore me. Thank you. Rich.
Ahhh....another friendly Glock Talk welcome.
I have heard about the 3 round springs for long guns but not pistols Fishman.
I said the same thing as Denny's Guns, but he did it much better.;f
Lots of guns can have FA parts in them and still remain legal, but the AR can't have a single M16 part. I didn't know about the M1 Carbine though. You learn something new everyday.:)
maddcatt
11-05-2002, 05:36
http://www.hessearms.com/nfa.htm
This has gotta be a joke or alot more work needs to go into a title II conversion of 'any glock' to full auto only. Sorry , no select-fire.
FotoTomas
11-05-2002, 08:33
GLOCK pistols are wery easy to convert however it requires a determined effort to do it. If you wish to play with fire you run the risk of being burned. I for one enjoy full auto fire and have access to a variety of FA weapons but will not take a chance on "fiddling" with my personal weapons.
If the laws change then thats a different story. I doubt that they will get any better, only worse.
maddcatt
11-05-2002, 08:40
see that little part in the link that says : less than 80% machined?
legal as can be. Unless of coarse you think that the laws set up to entrap and oppress the people are idiot-proof and without loop holes the size of Uranus. ;b
FotoTomas
11-05-2002, 08:58
I understand that it is legal to possess the parts that are not readily convertable to automatic fire. I have no problem with people having those parts and the knowledge to bring them to 100% serviceability. I for one think the rules are a buch of crap.
On the other hand I have to live within those rules at present and there is nothing happening now that would make me feel that I need to break those rules. Of course things might change and I am prepared with my on options in that case.
Roughneck-2zero
11-05-2002, 12:08
One of my AR's regularly fires in bursts of 3-5. I had it at an outdoor Gov range one day and it did this. The range officer came over and inspected it. It is a Frankenstein gun but there are no M16 parts in it. The RO just smiled and said "yea, sometimes these Rock & Roll".
maddcatt
11-05-2002, 17:12
You dont say?? What (if you can say) would cause such a malfunction?
Think maybe that lightning link you forgot to take out of the AR had anything to do with it? :) (just kidding)
Is the AR-15 with all semi-auto parts?
Maybe a worn disconnector? Whats your diagnosis?
PeaceKeeper
11-05-2002, 20:30
I was at a Glock shoot and a guy had a Glock that would pop off 2 or 3 shots. He took it over to the Glock armorer and had it fixed. It was a 40 S&W with a 9mm striker and a couple other parts were wrong.
Originally posted by FISHMAN@TP.NET
WHAT ABOUT TRI-FIRE PARTS I SEE IN THE MAGAZEANS?
I SEE THUM ON AR'S IN THE AD, BUT CAN YOU PUT THUM ON ANYTHING? AND HOW LEAGLE ARE THAY?
WITH ONE PULL ON THE TRIGER, THOUGH A SPECLE SPRING ON THE TRIGER, THREE SHOTS WILL BE FIRED.
THANKS IN ADVANCE.
RICH.
Jest guessing here,but english aint yer mother tongue?... :)
Seriously, the best info re those things is found through the atf's websight at www.atf.treas.gov .
Oh and lets just leave the caps lock button OFF for now ,shall we...
DScottHewitt
11-06-2002, 23:23
Originally posted by Grimsi
Jest guessing here,but english aint yer mother tongue?... :)
Seriously, the best info re those things is found through the atf's websight at www.atf.treas.gov .
Oh and lets just leave the caps lock button OFF for now ,shall we...
Fishman already said he has several communication barriers. He is asking about the trigger add-on thingies that fire a three round burst by working the trigger three times every time you pull the add-on thingie once. See them in ShotGun News and such.....
Scott
;b
Originally posted by Grimsi
Jest guessing here,but english aint yer mother tongue?... :)
Seriously, the best info re those things is found through the atf's websight at www.atf.treas.gov .
Oh and lets just leave the caps lock button OFF for now ,shall we...
Sheesh, I am sorry for this post, I didnt see the fact that you are a product od a public scrool...And those dictating proggys can help but practice may help more.
BTW hope you dont take this personal.
Roughneck-2zero
11-13-2002, 13:31
Maddcatt, the hammer is a demilled M-16 piece with the spur cut off. Someone said that the disconnector is probably not catching it all of the time and it is riding the bolt carrier back and pressing on the firing pin when the bolt locks-up. Creating a slam-fire condition.
But like I said all of the parts are legal semi-auto parts.
So ;f
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