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isuzu
07-09-2005, 23:06
I recall talking with a police officer who also shoots IPSC not so long ago. He told me that he is glad seeing fewer and fewer .38 Super guns being used in the streets. When I asked him why, he was reluctant at first, but gave me insights on the .38 Super.

He said that, the .38 Super was designed in 1929 primarily to penetrate body armor. In their department's tests, some .38 Super bullets which he declined to mention (because he didn't want the public to know what brands were effective),were able to breach some brands of body armor which, he again declined to name. Penetration with car bodies and glass of police vehicles is excellent with this caliber.

Another thing he mentioned that we all (yes, that includes me), hate to admit, is that the .38 Super is ballistically superior to the .45 ACP. That has been proven in tests time and time again.

atmarcella
07-10-2005, 03:42
corbon has some self defense loads for the .38 super:

PB38X100/20-38 SUPER -- 100gr Pow'Rball

38SUPER -- 100gr Pow'Rball -- 1525fps/516ftlbs -- 20 Rnds. per box

damn, its fast, very fast, power factor nito would be 152.5.....only, kinda like a 9mm:)

mikol
07-10-2005, 04:09
Originally posted by atmarcella
corbon has some self defense loads for the .38 super:

PB38X100/20-38 SUPER -- 100gr Pow'Rball

38SUPER -- 100gr Pow'Rball -- 1525fps/516ftlbs -- 20 Rnds. per box

damn, its fast, very fast, power factor nito would be 152.5.....only, kinda like a 9mm:)
it's very difficult to use this ammo in a selfdefense situation where theres alot of people around(like highway robbery). tagusan ang tama nito bro.;g

isuzu
07-10-2005, 23:10
There's the 115 gr and the 125 gr Silvertip that's superb for self-defense use. Also try Twin Pines' loaded with Hornady 125 gr XTP. And Cor-bon 115 gr HP.

To prevent over-penetration, let's go to one rule in safe gunhandling: Be sure of your target and WHAT'S BEHIND IT!

Using the right ammo for the right situation will save the day for you. :)

batangueno
07-11-2005, 07:59
Does the 38super and 357magnun have the same ballistics?

doctabako
07-11-2005, 08:21
Originally posted by batangueno
Does the 38super and 357magnun have the same ballistics?

From what I read before, the original loads for 38 super were hot and approached that of the 357 Magnum although the latter still had an edge. These were later powered down to reduce frame battering. Current commercial loadings of 38 super are about equal to the 9mm +P IIRC

isuzu
07-11-2005, 16:45
I think the 38 Super ammo was later split into two classes. The first would be the 38 ACP. They were supposed to be used in early models of the 38 ACP Pistols. Early versions or old frame 1911s with the same designation begun having problems when they used 38 Supers (later known as 38 Super +P).

The other 38 Super ammo is the hotter of the two, designated also as the 38 Super +P. The +P that was added to the caliber is used to differentiate this load from the 38 ACP.

Ammo manufacturers in the US add a warning on the box not to use 38 Super +P ammo on 38 ACP Pistols.

bokbok_05
07-11-2005, 18:31
"The .38 Super was introduced in 1929 in the famous Colt Government Model 1911 auto pistol. The Government Model was much stronger than the earlier Colt .38 Auto pistol, and could handle more pressure. So the .38 Auto case was loaded to higher pressure (33,000 cup) to boost performance. The result was the .38 Super Auto, at the time of its introduction the most powerful auto pistol cartridge in the world."

"The .38 Auto and .38 Super both use standard .355" (9mm) diameter bullets, so there are plenty of choices available to the reloader. Pistols chambered for the old .38 Auto should probably be retired, but any reloader with a .38 Super pistol can turn out very effective loads using modern JHP bullets."

Nakuha ko while searching the web for .38 super (excerpt from Chuck Hawks).

isuzu
07-11-2005, 22:32
Thanks! I wasn't able to access Chuck Hawks articles on ammo. The website now requires a fee to access some of their articles. Used to be free.