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Cochese
07-16-2005, 19:00
*Blatant GNG cross post. (forgot about this forum)*

Thinking of switching to linux,

Windows is just getting on my last nerve lately, and I'm contemplating switching over to some easy n00b version of Linux.

What I'd like to know: is which version, where to download for free (heard linux was free), and what to expect (driver wise) as far as compatability issues with my machine.

I have a Dell Latitude CPxJ 650GT with a PentiumIII 650mhz SpeedStep, 512mb RAM, a 20GB HD, standard OE ATi VideoCard and Sound integrated in the OE MB. There is also a OE CDRW/DVD drive and an Orinoco Gold PCMCIA WiFi card.

Can anyone help me out? I am fairly computer literate. My current build of XP Pro SP2 actually works fine. I'm just ready for a change.

Step by step instructions would be nice, but I am realistic. Is there a version of Linux which will have all of the drivers I need? Is there a way to preserve any of the MP3 or picture files currently on my computer? I was thinking of backing up the whole thing anyway but am trying to figure out the best way to do THAT first :)


Help ;)

______

biblefreak
07-16-2005, 23:21
I am typing this from FireFox running on a Mepis box. I can not say enough good things about Mepis. It is Debian based there-for able to utilize apt-get, a beautiful way of keeping software up to date without getting stuck on dependencies, is compatible with lots of hardware, has alot of the features already set up that I had to install with other distros etc... The list goes on.

Go to www.mepis.org and download the iso. Burn it using Nero or some other such burning utility, and put it in the cd drive. Make sure your boot order is CDROM first, reboot, then you can play with Mepis as it will boot off the CD and WILL NOT be installed on your hard drive. If you like, follow the instructions in the manual also found at www.mepis.org to permenatly install Mepis.

Good Luck!

Justin

PanamaDave2
07-17-2005, 00:10
Check out Knoppix as well... another Debian based linux live cd like Mepis that you can "test drive" before installing permanently.

http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html

Washington,D.C.
07-17-2005, 02:51
http://www.distrowatch.com

Washington,D.C.
07-17-2005, 03:12
Here are some of the best

PCLinuxOS

http://www.pclinuxonline.com/pclos/index.html

Kanotix

http://kanotix.com/info/index.php

Kanotix has a "Lite" version which doesn't have the huge office suit if you don't need it.It's a big program.Makes downloading the CD faster.

Mepis

http://www.mepis.org/

All of these try to maintain up to date notebook and WiFi support.PCLinuxOS might be the easiest to use.Kanotix may be the most funtional.Mepis maintains the most compatibilty with Debian Linux,a huge Linux with lots or resources.

cgwahl
07-17-2005, 10:20
Hey Washington, how do these compare with the Litrix version you were recommending a month or two ago?

I haven't gotten around to installing it yet (couldn't detect HD for some reason so I decided to wait).

Washington,D.C.
07-17-2005, 19:13
Litrix is a bit more complete and faster.I'm not sure how Litrix is for notebooks.Also fo beinnners at Linux the Litrix is firly easy but the installer is in Portuguese.If you are familar with installing Linux it's really not a problem but a new OS and a new language is a but much.THe latest Litrix has an all english installer but doesn't work as well as the previous version.Litrix 2.1 EX is still the absolute fastest most complete Linux I've tried.Litrix 3.01 has had a few install difficulties but once installed runs great.2.1 is based on Slackware and is modular and 3.01 is based on Gentoo and extra packages are installed from soutce compiled on your PC,taking a very long time but easier to manage using Gentoo package manager.Litrix 2.1 EX is still my choice of Linux.Litrix 3.01 is not as complete and still doesn't run quite as fast alough faster than most.3.01 takes up a lot of disk space nd has fewer packages.I'm still figuring out that one.If you can download Litrix 2.1 EX you can't beat it.It's not listed on their website anymore but it's still available for download from their server.

Washington,D.C.
07-17-2005, 19:20
I find PCLinuxOS the slowest but on a fast PC it's okay.Kanotix is likely my second favorite after Litrix.It's an inproved version of Knoppix optimized for hard disk installation.Mepis can be a bit tricky but has a easy installer.It's can tricky in that it's very touchy about certain hardware.It's not super fast but is the most compatible with Debian.These work better than most on notebooks too.Litrix doesn't have much if any English support.Litrix 2.1 EX is based on Slackware 10.1 and Litrix 3.01 is based on Gentoo and support for these should work.

Washington,D.C.
07-17-2005, 19:23
Another good one that doesn't have a bunch of packages but works really nice is Minislack.The CD is small and a fast download.

http://www.minislack.org/

Washington,D.C.
07-17-2005, 19:46
Can still download Litrix 2.1 EX here


ftp://litrix.codigolivre.org.br/pub/litrix/litrix-EX.iso.zip

This is the English version but the installer is still in Portuguese.

Glock Bob
07-18-2005, 09:06
There are lots of distros available at linuxiso.org (http://www.linuxiso.org). I've used Knoppix many times, and have installed it several times, as well. It's great to play with on CD since you don't have to install it at all if you don't want to.

Washington,D.C.
07-18-2005, 09:13
http://www.linuxiso.org hasn't been updated in a while. http://distrowatch.com is more up to date right now.

Litrix and Kanotix have been the best live CD's I've tried.Kmoppix always misses my sound card.Not a huge problem as I don't use sound often,but it is annoying.

Washington,D.C.
07-22-2005, 06:48
Originally posted by cgwahl
Hey Washington, how do these compare with the Litrix version you were recommending a month or two ago?

I haven't gotten around to installing it yet (couldn't detect HD for some reason so I decided to wait).

I just install Litrix 2.1 EX on another PC.Even with the installer in Portuguese,it's so easy!

I tried Litrix 3.01 and it works well.It has both Portuguese and English on the same CD.The 2.1 EX is just English except for the installer.
It helps a lot to partition the hard drive before running the Litrix CD.At least make a swap partiton for the lice cd to share.

Run the CD.Click the installer.Choose a partiton to install Litrix.I made a Linux partiton and a swap partition before I ran the Litrix CD.

Then choose a file system.I chose Reisers.It runs the fastest and is very stable.


Litrix 2.1 EX is extremely fast and based on Slackware 10.1.

It's very complete with the desktop software.

Litrix 3.01 is also fast compared to others but lacks some of the larger packages.It's based on Gentoo 2005.

The Gentoo package manager is very easy to use but the opackages are downloaded as source and are compiled on your PC.This takes a long time to add packages.

I just installed Litrix 2.1 EX on a 466Mhz Celeron with 128mb of RAM.

I had Litrix 3.01 on it but I was worried adding the large packages would slow the system down.It worked really well.
I'm using 512mb of swap on that PC.Litrix 2.1 EX is running great.

Minislack is interesting and stable but not everything is compatible with Slackware and it has it's own package base.It's small and a quick CD to download.It hasmost of the need stuff.It's not a live CD just an install CD.

cgwahl
07-22-2005, 21:00
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.

It helps a lot to partition the hard drive before running the Litrix CD.At least make a swap partiton for the lice cd to share.

Run the CD.Click the installer.Choose a partiton to install Litrix.I made a Linux partiton and a swap partition before I ran the Litrix CD.



I'll try that next time then. I just stuck it in and assumed I can do the partition stuff later.

Washington,D.C.
07-22-2005, 21:50
Originally posted by cgwahl
I'll try that next time then. I just stuck it in and assumed I can do the partition stuff later.

being a live CD it uses whatever Linux swap partition it can find on the hard drives if there is any.The install is completely automatic compared to some.You tell it what file system format you want and which partition in which to install it.Then you can walk away and it does everything else.No other questions to answer during the hard drive install.

Washington,D.C.
07-25-2005, 06:06
I just tried the latest version of Berry Linux.It's from Japan.It has English.It's based on Fedora, with which I've had a few problems with earlier versions.The latest version of Berry Linux is based on Fedora Core 4.It has some of the latest packages.It doesn't come with any of the useful plug-ins but being able to use Fedora packages it should be fairly easy to add these.Stripped down it runs fairly fast.I still prefer Litrix but some people might find Berry easier to use.The CD iso is not a full CD so it doesn't take too long to download.You can download it here

http://berry.sourceforge.jp/berry-0.60.iso

Egyas
07-25-2005, 07:07
MAn, I feel like an old man here, since I'm still running Gentoo.

kilroy2721
07-25-2005, 21:01
This last weekend I just got through putting a dual boot Win XPpro and Suse 9.1 on my Dell Latitude and while I am still tweaking it so far it seems pretty good. I am letting Grub handle the choice of OS on bootup. I am also getting tired of Windows problems and I am a desktop support tech so I see this all day long but am so dependant upon windows that I fear giving it up will leave me stranded when I need it most.

Egyas
07-26-2005, 11:37
Originally posted by kilroy2721
This last weekend I just got through putting a dual boot Win XPpro and Suse 9.1 on my Dell Latitude and while I am still tweaking it so far it seems pretty good. I am letting Grub handle the choice of OS on bootup. I am also getting tired of Windows problems and I am a desktop support tech so I see this all day long but am so dependant upon windows that I fear giving it up will leave me stranded when I need it most.

I feel your pain brother. I switched from Micr0$oft to Linux about a year back, and it really didn't hurt me that much. I installed and ran WinXP in VMWare for about 4 months as a "safety blanket", but finally went cold turkey. Ran 8 months using Linux (Fedora Core 3 for 2-3 months, then Gentoo for the rest) alone, and it was awesome. The only thing I couldn't do was run Active Directory. The few Windows apps that I could not get a linux port for (Remedy, Access Paging, etc) I ran through CrossOver Office with no (well, Remedy was a LITTLE glitchy) issues. I even had to install IE6 through CrossOver Office for one of the websites my company uses that requires the use of an ActiveX control. I made extensive use of RDesktop protocol and the Terminal Server app to connect to workstations and servers (WinNT workstation through Win2003 Advanced server) with no issue. When I had to run AD, I would TermServe or VNC a support station here (one of our helpdesk machines) and just take it from 'em. lol Not to mention that BOTH Thunderbird and Evolution are better mail apps, IMO, than Outlook.

The fun was great, until the corporate Gestapo cracked down on "non-standard" PCs. My poor Dell Latitude D600 now wins WinXP, and full Micr0$oft crap-loaded Orifice, err sorry, Office, etc. My machine is SO slow and undependable now because of the corporate overhead (CCS, Marimba, EPO, Hercules, etc). It was stable as a rock, and ran so well.

I miss those days. ;g ;1

Washington,D.C.
07-26-2005, 11:41
I hear Crossover Office is fairly easy to use.I haven't tried it but there is a trial version incluced in Bufalo Linux.I have gotten Internet Explorer 6 and Windows Media Player 9 to work in Linux with Wine.I listen to international internet radio broadcasts and many require IE and WMP.Open Office and Abiword are fairly Microsoft Office and Word compatible these days.

Egyas
07-26-2005, 14:09
Yep. I used OpenOffice for everything. CrossOver Office is really easy to use. If your a Linux user forced into the dark land of Windows (:)), then CO Office is WELL worth the $$$.

Washington,D.C.
07-26-2005, 15:00
I think Crossover Office is frontend for Wine.It makes Wine easier to use.I haven't tried Crossover Office so I'm not certain.I have a copy on a Buffalo Linux disk,maybe I'll give it a try.

Egyas
07-26-2005, 15:34
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
I think Crossover Office is frontend for Wine.It makes Wine easier to use.I haven't tried Crossover Office so I'm not certain.I have a copy on a Buffalo Linux disk,maybe I'll give it a try.

It is a front end for Wine, and WineX. Also, Cedega is awesome for games.

Washington,D.C.
07-26-2005, 15:38
I have a few Linux 3d games.I haven't tried any Windows games with Linux.

novium
07-29-2005, 09:43
Get a spair hard drive and caddy for your laptop. Insert new hard drive and install all of them. Personally I prefer slackware. Avoid Mandrake, and fedora like the plague. Gentoo if you have patience and broadband. Read plenty of reviews over that http://www.distrowatch.com and find the best one for you. YMMV

Cochese
07-29-2005, 16:01
Originally posted by novium
Get a spair hard drive and caddy for your laptop. Insert new hard drive and install all of them. Personally I prefer slackware. Avoid Mandrake, and fedora like the plague. Gentoo if you have patience and broadband. Read plenty of reviews over that http://www.distrowatch.com and find the best one for you. YMMV Now THAT is a good idea!

Washington,D.C.
07-29-2005, 16:04
Kanotix and Litrix are about the best.You can run either live from CD before installing them too.

Washington,D.C.
08-02-2005, 19:48
Originally posted by cgwahl
Hey Washington, how do these compare with the Litrix version you were recommending a month or two ago?

I haven't gotten around to installing it yet (couldn't detect HD for some reason so I decided to wait).

Well I ran into a PC that Litrix wouldn't reconize the hard drive now too.I tried 2.1 and 3.0.1.I installed 3.0.1 to see how it compared to 2.1 on another PC and 2.1 is still faster and more complete.Litrix 2.1EX is all English and has Open Office.Litrix 3.0.1 is English and Portuguese.It doesn't include Open Office.I tried to add it and it tried to add both English and Portuguese versions.Litrix 3.0.1 takes trice the hard disk space too.Open Office never installed.It is suppose to have 384Mb of RAM and I got a message when I began that it might not install.

On a good note.I tried Kanotix 2005.03 Lite.It is Kanotix without Open Office.It isn't as fast but has every driver already compiled to the kernel.I have an Siig IDE controller that is suppose to be very difficult to get working in Linux and Kanotix had no problem with it.It even worked with my very odd sound card.

http://ftp.fbihome.de/linux/kanotix/KANOTIX-2005-03/KANOTIX-2005-03-LITE.iso

Washington,D.C.
08-02-2005, 19:49
Kanotix complete with Open Office

http://ftp.fbihome.de/linux/kanotix/KANOTIX-2005-03/KANOTIX-2005-03.iso

Trsnrtr
08-08-2005, 20:24
I've been using Ubunto Hoary 5.04 for about a week. It found most of my hardware better than most during install and was up and running in no time.

Knoppix is a good live Linux to play with. I haven't tried Kanotix.

-Dennis

ATI_RAGE_
08-13-2005, 01:47
Originally posted by Trsnrtr
I've been using Ubunto Hoary 5.04 for about a week. It found most of my hardware better than most during install and was up and running in no time.

Knoppix is a good live Linux to play with. I haven't tried Kanotix.

-Dennis

Just installed it tonight, looks good minus that it will not config xserver with anything beyond 680x480. So far I like it.

What is probably the most complete Linux distro out their guys?

I'm thinking SuSe as I had good luck in the past with it.

LittleLebowski
08-14-2005, 14:32
SUSE gets my vote in the server room and on desktops and laptops. Best newbie distro too because of Yast2 (a program that is much like Windows Control Panel). Fairly fast and it just works. Start out with Suse, Mandrake, or Fedora or one of the previously mentioned live cd distributions. Suse won't keep you up all night dealing with MP3 playback, Flash, or Java.

ATI_RAGE_
08-14-2005, 23:03
Originally posted by LittleLebowski
SUSE gets my vote in the server room and on desktops and laptops. Best newbie distro too because of Yast2 (a program that is much like Windows Control Panel). Fairly fast and it just works. Start out with Suse, Mandrake, or Fedora or one of the previously mentioned live cd distributions. Suse won't keep you up all night dealing with MP3 playback, Flash, or Java.

Sounds good I used it a few years back and acutally liked it. It seemed very complete aswell.

Washington,D.C.
08-15-2005, 14:05
Just found this one.Runs on anything.Less than 200MB


http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/benix/BENIX-KANOTIX-2005-02.1.iso

Egyas
08-15-2005, 14:13
Why supervillins use Linux..

http://mirror1.spikedhumor.com/1209/SwitchLinux.swf

Washington,D.C.
08-18-2005, 17:40
Found my new Linux.I tried a version of it before but Open Office wasn't included and wouldn't install properly.Now it's included and many things are up to date.It's one CD,700 MB.


ftp://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/gentoo/experimental/x86/livecd/x86/livecd-x86-2005.1.iso

Washington,D.C.
08-31-2005, 19:45
Here's a cut down version of the latest Kanotix with a lightweight desktop but still includes Java and Kanotix's excellent hardware detection.Only 225MB.

http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/cpx-mini/CPX-MINI-2005-04/KANOTIX-2005-04-CPX-MINI_RC5.iso

Washington,D.C.
09-05-2005, 23:03
Latest and final version now out.I think it has better English support.


http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/cpx-mini/CPX-MINI-2005-04/KANOTIX-2005-04-CPX-MINI.iso

Washington,D.C.
09-07-2005, 05:54
Okay only 50 MB.new version of Damn Small Linux seems pretty good now.


http://ftp.heanet.ie/mirrors/damnsmalllinux.org/current/dsl-1.5.iso

L1bertarian
09-07-2005, 16:06
Originally posted by glocktastic
*Blatant GNG cross post. (forgot about this forum)*

Thinking of switching to linux,

Windows is just getting on my last nerve lately, and I'm contemplating switching over to some easy n00b version of Linux.

What I'd like to know: is which version, where to download for free (heard linux was free), and what to expect (driver wise) as far as compatability issues with my machine.

I have a Dell Latitude CPxJ 650GT with a PentiumIII 650mhz SpeedStep, 512mb RAM, a 20GB HD, standard OE ATi VideoCard and Sound integrated in the OE MB. There is also a OE CDRW/DVD drive and an Orinoco Gold PCMCIA WiFi card.

Can anyone help me out? I am fairly computer literate. My current build of XP Pro SP2 actually works fine. I'm just ready for a change.

Step by step instructions would be nice, but I am realistic. Is there a version of Linux which will have all of the drivers I need? Is there a way to preserve any of the MP3 or picture files currently on my computer? I was thinking of backing up the whole thing anyway but am trying to figure out the best way to do THAT first :)


Help ;)

______


If you've never used Linux before, I'd go with Fedora Core 4 solely for the easy install. (As you become more Linux-adept you can move on to other, harder-to-install distros):

http://fedora.redhat.com/

http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/dell.html

Unfortunately, didn't see anything about FF4 on a Dell Latitude but decided to include the above link because it might help you make a decision and because you can read about the install processes for other Linux distros on your lappy.

http://www.fedoraforum.org/

Fedora Forum is an excellent place for support and has helped me immensely in the past.

Whatever distro you decide to go with, it will be better than WindBLOWS. Best of luck.

L1bertarian
09-07-2005, 16:10
Originally posted by glocktastic
Now THAT is a good idea!

I would NOT try to install Gentoo if you're new to Linux. But if you go that route, get a case of Red Bull and a carton of Marlboro Reds. Should take no longer than about 20 hours. No, I'm not exaggerating.

Fedora has its drawbacks (RPM sucks, for one) but it's still a good starting point for a Linux Neophyte.

Washington,D.C.
09-07-2005, 16:38
Originally posted by L1bertarian
I would NOT try to install Gentoo if you're new to Linux. But if you go that route, get a case of Red Bull and a carton of Marlboro Reds. Should take no longer than about 20 hours. No, I'm not exaggerating.

Fedora has its drawbacks (RPM sucks, for one) but it's still a good starting point for a Linux Neophyte.

Gentoo installed from CD isn't bad .It's a binary install not source.I did add Mozilla on top of Firefox and it took over 5 hours.Open Office installed from source on Gentoo rarely works and takes forever.

Debian or a Linux based on Debian might be the best bet.

Egyas
09-07-2005, 19:16
Gentoo system where I wanted it took over 40 hours of compile time. I did a stafe-1 install (which can take a lot longer), and I got a little silly with my USE statement. OK, a LOT silly. ;)

once It was command line stable, I got silly again.

"emerge gnome kde mozilla-firefox mozilla-thunderbird gimp k3b"


Now THAT emerge took more than a few hours. lol

Cochese
09-12-2005, 19:15
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Latest and final version now out.I think it has better English support.


http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/cpx-mini/CPX-MINI-2005-04/KANOTIX-2005-04-CPX-MINI.iso

Okay DC, I'm going to try to install this one on an extra desktop machine I just got. I made an image of the CD that works. I formated the hard drive on the new machine. Its a Compaq Presario 5BW120 5000 series 600mhz celeron with like 64mb of RAM, lol and a 15GB HD. I want to use it to learn Linux on, and as a internet terminal, and well, we'll see what else I guess. My CPxJ is down. The MB seems to be fried.

How do I install this? I put the CD in and told it to DMA-english start, it gave me some startup screen and started detecting my mouse, video, sound, etc.

Then it went to a blue screen (they should have picked a different color, ;f ) and it seems to just sit. The CD is spinning and HD light is on. Screen says CPX - MINI
--A MINI USB DISTRO. BASED ON KANOTIX--

I don't suppose you have step by step instructions laying around for a linux novice? ;)

Washington,D.C.
09-12-2005, 20:21
Okay now we're talking about 64MB of RAM not the one with 512MB.One thing about Linux,it normally requires memory but not always clock speed.64 MB is about min but must be very selective which Linux you choose because some require 128-256MB of RAM.You can run the CD you made "Live" meaning it doesn't require installing to the hard dribve.The downside is this require loading it into RAM.Let it run a while.That one takes time.You wil get a list of boot options and languages.The default for that one is German so you must use the page down button to choose English.That CD may or may not require more RAM than you have.Damn Small Linux(DSL) 1.5 is the one that is smaller and should work if that one doesn't.It's also only one forth the size so not long to download and burn to CD.


The other Linux that works with little RAM is a big one,Mepislite.Its almost a full CD but is designed for older slower PC's.The current vfersion is test03.

Now with the CD you have you can open a terminal or "console" and type "knoppix-installer or "kanotix-installer".

One problem with that little ram is you really need a Linux swap partition for the CD to run properly.The hard disk installer program above includes a partitioning program if you can get the CD to run first.The Mepislite CD recommends a min odf 128MB of RAM.With that PC I recommend 256MB linux swap partition.That's 4 times your RAM.

The Root partiton is the main one.For now make it the rest of the disk and use Ext3 or ReiserFS when you partition.

I think Damn Small Linux might give you the least trouble and will run for certain without installing or even having a Linux swap partition.You can use the installation tools in it to partrtion the hard drive.If you can fit more RAM to that PC you shouldn't and problem with any of them.

Learning to parttion the is most difficult part in installing Linux.
Oh yes,and with Damn Small Linux when that CD boot press F2 and F3 and look at the boot options.You should at least choose "dsl dma".This will make the disks run faster.Also in it you might need to know a bit more about your hardware than with some other's as the hardware detection isn't as automatic.Notebooks tend to be a bit more difficult than desktops too.

You can run the CD you have in any PC without installing it and seeing how it works.DSL default language language is English and you don't have to choose any boot options with it even enabling the dma isn't required.

Washington,D.C.
09-12-2005, 20:52
Okay I see now you are using a desktop PC now.I just installed that that CD in a 466Mhz Celeron Compaq with 64MB of RAM and a 12 MB 4000 RPM 5.25 hard drive(slow).The desktp is blue.Right click on the senter of the desktop you should see a list of the the available applications(programs).You can choose firefox if your are using ethernet with a router it should automaticaly reconfigure it.I think on the hard disk install I hard to configure it again.That's not always easy.I did have a linux swap partition on the hard dive before I ran this CD.

Cochese
09-12-2005, 21:35
Wow... I really need to learn how to speak linux :)

I'm looking on eBay for used PC100 SDRAM for the Compaq, and a PCI SLOT PCMCIA Type III adapter for my Orinoco 802.11B card that I use with the CPxJ Dell Laptop, since it's down needing a Motherboard...

I'm just finishing a lite install of XP Pro on the new Compaq desktop, just to have it running. Then I'm gonna set up a "homenetwork" through XP and share my wireless connection from my GF's laptop.

I'm in a predicament, aren't I? :)

peter3334
09-12-2005, 21:51
What I'd like to know: is which version, where to download for free (heard linux was free), and what to expect (driver wise) as far as compatability issues with my machine.


Check out the newstand for a magazine containing the Fedora 4
distribution of Linux on DVD.

Then just boot with the DVD in your drive ...
also the magazine should have directions.

Or get a book $35 that has the DVD and lots of info on Fedora 4

ph.

Washington,D.C.
09-12-2005, 22:56
Were you able to get the full desktop of the Linux CD to run?You can still run the CD "Live" without installing it.Careful of the big newest Linux as they require a bit of resources.I see Mepislite recommends 450 Mhz and 128MB RAM.I installed it with 64MB.Something like the lastest Fedora say they work best with something like 800Mhz and 256MB RAM.As Linux becomes easier to use and more user friendly and functional it also is requiring more system resources.

Oh, and Damn Small Linux 1.5 is about as small as you can get.The CD you burnt has about the best hardware detection of any Linux which is good thing for notebooks.For a desktop PC you can get by with simpler systems sometimes.

Some of the big mutli CD Linux systems will install with just the first CD and the other CD's are often "extras".

Cochese
09-12-2005, 23:19
grub or lilo bootloader with DSL? (DamnSmallLinux)

I'd like a bootchoice at startup with the machine to choose XP or Linux. How do I go about doing so?

biblefreak
09-12-2005, 23:21
Sorry, but I have to sing the praises of Mepis again. Also a live CD to see if you like it and or it works with your hardware, plus it comes with a 2.6 kernel and a 2.4 kernel for the slower macines. Has an incredibly simple installer, the wireless networking is a breeze, comes with java, mplayer and flash plug-ins preinstalled, uses apt-get, samba and smbk4 are all installed and running, I just can't say enough good things about it!!

Check it out at www.mepis.com and see for yourself!

ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/mepis/released/SimplyMEPIS-3.3.1-1.iso

Washington,D.C.
09-12-2005, 23:22
Oh yeah on the CD you have the programs the show up when right clicking on the desktop are in GERMAN!!!Only the list is in German.You can click directly on the icons to get most of the programs and they will mostly be in English.
In Standard Kanotix this not a problem.Standard Kanotix requiresa quite a bit more memory though.Kanotix has about the best wifi support with Mepis maybe being second in wifi support.I find Mepis a bit slow and doesn't work with all hardware.

You can download DSL here it's a fun simple way to run and learn Linux


http://dsl.thegeekery.com/current/current.iso


If you have 128MB and I got this working with 64MB ,Puppy Linux is the easiest to get up and running but it loads completely in memory so memory is important.Also it's an odd Linux but doesn't require much knowledge to get going



2 versions

http://www.nstsoftware.com/puppy/puppy-1.0.5alpha2-mozilla.iso



and


http://mymirrors.homelinux.org/puppy/puppy-1.0.4-mozilla.iso


The first one is faster but adding software and drivers doesn't seem to work and getting connected might be more difficult.

Washington,D.C.
09-12-2005, 23:27
I tried every Mepis and this one requires the least memory and installs best on older PC's


ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/metalab/distributions/mepis/testing/MEPISLite-3.3.1-2.test03.iso



This one is supppose to have the fastest kernel but doesn't always play nice with older hardware

ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/metalab/distributions/mepis/testing/SimplyMEPIS-3.3.2.test03.iso


It's better than older versions which run very slow on my PC's and don't reconize all my sound cards.

biblefreak
09-13-2005, 00:12
If you can get used to the GUI DSL 1.5 is pretty sweet. I am a big KDE fan, so it is hard to get used to anything else.

There is a new Mepis, 3.4, that will be out appx. 1 month after the new xorg and kde 3.4 are in the deb repos. Since 3.4 is there I can only guess xorg is close, or maybe there, and we should have a new Mepis out shortly.

The only distro that I have yet to try that I have been thinking about is Kubuntu. I DL'ed the Live CD today to play with, just didn't get around to it. Maybe tommorow.

Justin

Washington,D.C.
09-13-2005, 00:55
Mepislite has some older versions of kernels and KDE and lacks Open Office to run better on older PC's.It's not much short of Simply Mepis,the latest kernel in Simply Mepis is suppose to be the fastest but it's still slower than some other Linux distro's.

ATI_RAGE_
09-13-2005, 01:05
I have decided to take a linux class this semester at college, I am also auditing the more advanced class where several system admins come in aswell. We will be allowed to run a server and a client machine and connect our networks together in our lab.

I did a whitebox machine as my server, and a debian machine for my client. Debian 100% picked up hda and the removable hdd which it was to be installed to also detected during grub setup hda's winxp/win2k. I was very impressed, although install was a pain in the butt.

The whitebox machine did not really impress me and probably next class session I will do something else.

Since in class we will be going into the security based applications internet during this particular lab will be disabled, and the room will be isolated. Also security geared distros may be used . ;)

Egyas
09-13-2005, 01:10
Originally posted by glocktastic
I'm looking on eBay for used PC100 SDRAM for the Compaq,

I can help you out in the memory department. I have spare PC100 memory in 64MB, 128MB, and 256MB sticks. Just let me know what your machine needs and/or can handle. :)

Washington,D.C.
09-13-2005, 02:09
Originally posted by glocktastic
Wow... I really need to learn how to speak linux :)

I'm looking on eBay for used PC100 SDRAM for the Compaq, and a PCI SLOT PCMCIA Type III adapter for my Orinoco 802.11B card that I use with the CPxJ Dell Laptop, since it's down needing a Motherboard...

I'm just finishing a lite install of XP Pro on the new Compaq desktop, just to have it running. Then I'm gonna set up a "homenetwork" through XP and share my wireless connection from my GF's laptop.

I'm in a predicament, aren't I? :)


http://linuxreviews.org/beginner/


http://www.linux.ie/newusers/beginners-linux-guide/


http://www.linuxlots.com/~jam/index.html


http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/consult.shtml


http://linux.about.com/od/linux101/

LittleLebowski
09-13-2005, 07:35
Glocktastic, I have some PC100 RAM lying around. PM me with your address and I'd be happy to send it to you.

Cochese
09-13-2005, 12:39
Originally posted by Egyas
I can help you out in the memory department. I have spare PC100 memory in 64MB, 128MB, and 256MB sticks. Just let me know what your machine needs and/or can handle. :)

PM sent, you are a badass.
It maxs out at 512mb, and the solo 64 stick in there is no good according to the memtest I ran. 256x2 sticks would be optimum.

Thankyouthankyouthankyou!!!!!!
;f

Egyas
09-13-2005, 14:04
Originally posted by glocktastic
PM sent, you are a badass.
It maxs out at 512mb, and the solo 64 stick in there is no good according to the memtest I ran. 256x2 sticks would be optimum.

Thankyouthankyouthankyou!!!!!!
;f

Not a problem man. Enroute tomorrow. :)

Washington,D.C.
09-13-2005, 14:34
After testing all the latest Linux distro's I can,I still find Litrix 2.1 EX the most complete,funtional and best running one.It's all English and requires a bit of RAM.It's a full CD(700MB).It's best to use a CD-R as CD-RW's rarely work properly.The hard disk installer is a bit in Portuguese so it's best to have some experience installing Linux but it's a fairly simple installer.The OS itself is all English though.It's based on Slackware.The only thing that beats it in hardware detection and drivers is Kanotix.Litrix lacks a few audio,wifi and drive controller drivers.For most PC's they won't show up.


The download comes in a ZIP file,so you must unzip it before burning the iso image to CD.


ftp://litrix.codigolivre.org.br/pub/litrix/litrix-EX.iso.zip

Washington,D.C.
09-14-2005, 09:54
Here's the webpage for the CD you have.


http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~bading/cpx-mini/



and some Kanotix info here.

http://kanotix.com/info/index.php


http://kanotix.com/files/kanotix/

Washington,D.C.
09-14-2005, 14:19
Wow they just fixed the CPX-Mini CD image.It now has the English fixed and seems faster.I'm running it right now.

http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~bading/cpx-mini/


Click on KANOTIX-2005-04-CPX-MINI-2.iso

Egyas
09-14-2005, 18:06
OK! OK! I'LL TRY KANOTIX!!!!!

You can stop mentioning it now. ;) j/k lol

<downloading iso now>

ATI_RAGE_
09-15-2005, 00:55
I give Kanotix a thumbs up one of the few distros that saw our lab NIC with little problems, all the rest will need some work to have it done. Knoppix also was able to see the same NIC, and Mandriva, that one looks very nice.

Cochese
09-16-2005, 21:49
I have a recent MEPIS live CD. It will load perfectly on my Dell Latitude CPxJ, bit when I put it in my newly acquired Compaq Presario 5BW120 5000 Series P-Celeron with 512MB (Thanks Egyas!) it acts like it's going to load, then the monitor looses signal and I can't see anything else and can't hear if the HD is still active. It doesn't sound like the CD spns anymore either. What gives? I have looked at Kanotix, Damn Small Linux, Mepis and Kubuntu. Kubuntu's live CD on the Compaq won't let me access the internet. I don't think it's recognizing the Beltran Wireless PCI card or something.

Any ideas?

I REALLY WANT MEPIS on the Compaq. It looks like its the easiest to install and has lots of Hardware support.

Help!

ATI_RAGE_
09-16-2005, 23:03
NDISwrapper http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/

Very good chance you can use that and get it to work, check if it is supported first. Still might not be a fix all for wireless.

Cochese
09-17-2005, 02:05
I got MEPIS to install on the desktop computer.
The only issues so far are:

I can't get the resolution to go past 800x600. The monitor is 1024x768. I guess I need the 'driver' or whatever it is called in linux land.

Next, no internet. The PCI Belkin model F5D6001 v.2 WiFi 802.11b card is not detected. I unpaked that ndiswrapper thingamajig and I can't tell if it did anything.

Anyone help? DC? ;)

Washington,D.C.
09-17-2005, 02:24
You can try the 2.4 and 2.6 kernel options when booting the CD.Some of Mepis releases give me trouble.Mostly on older PC's.

I had really good luck with the latest test releases of Mepis.SimplyMepis 3.3.2 test 03 and MepisLite 3.3.1-2 test 03.

The SimplyNepis is very up to date but not recommended for older PC's.

Mepislite based more on the older version of SimplyMepis but with better hardware support.

I installed SimplyMepis 3.3.2 test 03 on a Celeron 466 with 128MB of RAM and I installed MepisLite 3.3.1-2 on a Celeron 466 with only 64 MB of RAM.

That's the only Mepis I got running with that little RAM.

It's not that "Lite".Only major thing missing is Open Office but has K-Office instead.

Here are the download link for the CD's.They are mearlt full CD's so it may take some time to download.

ftp://ftp.cise.ufl.edu/pub/mirrors/mepis/testing/MEPISLite-3.3.1-2.test03.iso




ftp://ftp.cise.ufl.edu/pub/mirrors/mepis/testing/SimplyMEPIS-3.3.2.test03.iso

Washington,D.C.
09-17-2005, 02:27
Which version of Mepis do you have.There was an update/bug fix for Simply Mepis.They came oout with another CD though so if it's thar one then might as well get the latest CD.Can still try to get the one you have working though.I need more info.I have every version of Mepis here so I can try it out and see what it can do.

Egyas
09-17-2005, 08:14
Originally posted by glocktastic
I have a recent MEPIS live CD. It will load perfectly on my Dell Latitude CPxJ, bit when I put it in my newly acquired Compaq Presario 5BW120 5000 Series P-Celeron with 512MB (Thanks Egyas!)


I'm just glad it made it there. :) ;c

Cochese
09-17-2005, 10:52
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Which version of Mepis do you have.There was an update/bug fix for Simply Mepis.They came oout with another CD though so if it's thar one then might as well get the latest CD.Can still try to get the one you have working though.I need more info.I have every version of Mepis here so I can try it out and see what it can do.

The KDE Control center says I have KDE version 3.3.2 with release 2.4.29. I think there is an option to boot with 2.6.something also...

Cochese
09-17-2005, 11:13
I got what appears to be the linux driver for my wireless pci card. This is a 3rd party driver someone created for the chipset in my wifi card. Its at: http://aluminum.sourmilk.net/adm8211/

I have *NO* idea how to install it or do anything else for that matter in linux. I feel like I did in the early 90's in DOS!

Anyone help? DC? lol

Cochese
09-17-2005, 11:16
I have already tried Kubuntu and like that also (live CD).

The only prob was that some of it was in German. I burned the install disk 5 minutes ago. Should I shart over with that since I think it detected my wireless card on it's own?

Cochese
09-17-2005, 11:27
Nevermind, I just put the live kubuntu cd in, and no internet. Also no german, maybe I meant kanotix...

crap!

Cochese
09-17-2005, 12:12
Kanotix is almost totally in German, but detects my wireless card.

All I want, is a decent KDE style linux that detects all of my crap,(sound,wireless,video) and gives me 1024x768

I like KuBuntu and MEPIS astheticly the best...

I really don't like Damn Small Linux GUI at all, and Kanotix (the one I have) looks kinda fisher Price for me...

biblefreak
09-17-2005, 12:24
I messed around with Kubuntu and couldn't get my wireless card set up either. It looks nice, but one of the great things about Mepis is the OS Control center where you can set up all your networking, configure your ATI / Nvidia cards and even reload X if you trash it.

I run Xorg in MEPIS, but I am pretty certain there is a similar xorgconfig command you can run for Xfree86 and adjust your display. Or if you are comfortable, you could probably manually edit your Xfree86.config profile.

BTW, I am running MEPIS 3.3.2 Test 03 on an older IBM T23 and runs great. I also as previuosly mentioned, upgraded to Xorg and KDE 3.4 and it is SWEET!

For configuring your install, check out the forums and wiki and www.mepislovers.org and www.mepis.org and linuxquestions.org and go to the MEPIS forum.

Hope this helps!

Washington,D.C.
09-17-2005, 19:12
Originally posted by glocktastic
Kanotix is almost totally in German, but detects my wireless card.

All I want, is a decent KDE style linux that detects all of my crap,(sound,wireless,video) and gives me 1024x768

I like KuBuntu and MEPIS astheticly the best...

I really don't like Damn Small Linux GUI at all, and Kanotix (the one I have) looks kinda fisher Price for me...

Now with the ectra RAM you have,you can run the full version of Kanotix.It "looks" better than the version you downloaded.It's a much larger download.Kanotix has the best linux drivers already installed.


Full version here

http://debian.tu-bs.de/kanotix/KANOTIX-2005-03/KANOTIX-2005-03.iso



Same version without large office suite Open Office


http://debian.tu-bs.de/kanotix/KANOTIX-2005-03/KANOTIX-2005-03-LITE.iso

Some people have better luck with the previous version for wireless network "wlan"


http://debian.tu-bs.de/kanotix/KANOTIX-2005-02/KANOTIX-2005-02.iso


The few problems with the latest version only show up after hard disk install not when running as live CD.(and I think that might only be the "mini" version).

Washington,D.C.
09-17-2005, 20:07
While not as fast as Litrix(I don't think Litrix has great wireless support) PCLinuxOS seems to have very good wireless support

http://pclinuxos.ethz.ch/mirror/pclinuxos/live-cd/english/preview/pclinuxos-p91.iso

indigent
09-17-2005, 20:57
Alright DC, now I need to pick your brain too. I have a CD w/ mepis on it and would love to use it on my Toshiba Satellite Laptop but I need to be able to run Microsoft Map Point. Is creating a "dual boot machine" worth my time and effort, or is there a way to get Map Point to work in Mepis?


Thanks

Cochese
09-18-2005, 17:07
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
While not as fast as Litrix(I don't think Litrix has great wireless support) PCLinuxOS seems to have very good wireless support

http://pclinuxos.ethz.ch/mirror/pclinuxos/live-cd/english/preview/pclinuxos-p91.iso

How do you fit these Linuxi on standard 700mb CD-R's if they are 715mb ISO's?

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 17:59
You can set most CD burning programs to "overburn".Gives you a bit extra.Also the stated size on the server is sometimes measured a bit differently depending on the units used.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 18:03
Hey here's a really fast one with a lot of wifi support.It's a very small fast download.It doesn't run like a "normal" linux and requires at least 128MB of RAM.It's a very small iso.


http://www.puppy.wise-guy.us/puppy-1.0.5rc-mozilla.iso

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 18:16
Originally posted by indigent
Alright DC, now I need to pick your brain too. I have a CD w/ mepis on it and would love to use it on my Toshiba Satellite Laptop but I need to be able to run Microsoft Map Point. Is creating a "dual boot machine" worth my time and effort, or is there a way to get Map Point to work in Mepis?


Thanks

A dual boot might be good.Ti run MapPoint in Linux would require Wine and MapPoint is not 100% in it.There is a Windows GIS program that will run in Linux with Wine(ArcView 2.1).It's a bit of work though.

If you want Mepis on your laptop you must be careful not to damage your Windows OS.Mepis is also a live CD.UIt works best with a Linux swap partition on the hard drive so that's as risky as a hard drive install on the same hard drive.Safest is to use a second hard drive for the Linux.Have you tried the Mepis CD on your laptop as a live CD?

Cochese
09-18-2005, 18:17
Okay DC, I tried 2005-03 and 2005-02 Kanotix Full and they detected by WiFi PCI card. Sound also works and the GUI is similar to Mepis, which I like.

Two issues:

How to make it 1024x768? I told it to select it and it still defaults to max 800x600 resolution, which is TOO big for me.

The other problem:

I went into the main boot menu on the live CD and told it to install on the HD on dev/hda2 or whatever its called, and it gave me Error 15, and wouldn't install.

(The cd's all burned okay, even though they were over 700mb. I used nero in XP)

Thanks!

Jason

indigent
09-18-2005, 18:21
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Have you tried the Mepis CD on your laptop as a live CD?

Yes I tried it and it works as far as I can tell. It recognizes my Orinoco Gold 802.11b wireless card and it appears to run normally. I would just get rid of windoze all togather but I need Map Point.

Thanks.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 18:23
Do you have a linux partition and a linux swap partition on your hard drive?Install to the Linux partition not the swap partition.There are boot options and "cheat codes" on the Kanotix boot menu.Let boot my Kanotix CD and have a look what's there.You should be able to set your resolution.

Cochese
09-18-2005, 18:26
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Do you have a linux partition and a linux swap partition on your hard drive?Install to the Linux partition not the swap partition.There are boot options and "cheat codes" on the Kanotix boot menu.Let boot my Kanotix CD and have a look what's there.You should be able to set your resolution.

There is no swap partition. There is a 2.3GB linux partition, and 11.x NTFS for XP, and 0.92GB of "free space" I believe.

Kanotix gave me one pre-populated install choice and thats what I picked. Then it gave me the error...

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 18:27
Originally posted by indigent
Yes I tried it and it works as far as I can tell. It recognizes my Orinoco Gold 802.11b wireless card and it appears to run normally. I would just get rid of windoze all togather but I need Map Point.

Thanks.

If you need MapPoint then I suggest you keep Windows.I just use the PC as a hobby so I don't really "need" any software. So I might not be the right person to ask.Which version of Mepis do you have?

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 18:30
Originally posted by glocktastic
There is no swap partition. There is a 2.3GB linux partition, and 11.x NTFS for XP, and 0.92GB of "free space" I believe.

Kanotix gave me one pre-populated install choice and thats what I picked. Then it gave me the error...

Okay I don't know the size of your hard drive but with 512MB of RAM your should have anywhere from 512MB to 1GB of Linux swap partition.128MB to 256MB is about minimum if your are short on disk space.Bigger is better up to about 512MB to 1GB.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 18:31
Oh I just saw your free space.Make it all Linux swap.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 18:34
Kanotix has a new installer and I have partitions on all my drives so it's a been a while.I think you need to desinate the partitions but it might be automatic.You are at the minimum or your Linux parttition is a bit too small.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 18:36
If you know how to repartition you might want to make Linux swap 512MB and make the Linux partition the 2.3 GB plus what's left of the free space.When the CD installs it takes about 2.1 GB.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 18:38
There are some partiton tools on the CD.cfdisk and qparted I think.I prefer cfdisk.I think that's what it's called.It sometimes takes a bit of practice.It's not too much though.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 18:41
See here for Kanotix installation info.

http://forum.kanotix.net/viewforum.php?f=29&sid=288d596ad6a0a9b531b45387ebfb182c

indigent
09-18-2005, 18:54
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
If you need MapPoint then I suggest you keep Windows.I just use the PC as a hobby so I don't really "need" any software. So I might not be the right person to ask.Which version of Mepis do you have?

I dont absolutely have to have it. I just use it for all my "how do I get here" stuff. I have the same version as glocktastic and I actually like the way Mepis looks and works. I guess I could just go back to using mapquest if I need directions.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 18:58
I used early Mepis then had some issues with later versions.Now the last couple versions seem pretty good on my old PC's.The newest PC would handle all of them.

indigent
09-18-2005, 19:02
I was just clueless as to exactly how much work and how difficult it is to make it a dual boot. Didnt know if the work was worth the time.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 19:02
In Mepis,I find Konqueror much faster than Firefox and just as functional.Of rather not all the plugins work in Firefox but surprizingly most do in Komqueror.

Cochese
09-18-2005, 19:03
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
There are some partiton tools on the CD.cfdisk and qparted I think.I prefer cfdisk.I think that's what it's called.It sometimes takes a bit of practice.It's not too much though.

Well, I think I made XP's partition too big in the first place. The sticker on the side of the computer says it's a 15.0GB Hard drive. However, I think it's 14.xGB. Is there a way for me to pull some of the windows partition away and add it over to the linux side? I'd like to have a swap as you said. Is there a way for me to do this without loosing the fresh XP install I have on there? If not, and I do need to reinstall windows AND then install Kanotix, how shouldI partition? Should windows get installed firest with, say a 8-9GB partition and then a 512mb-1GB partition for linux swap and the remainder for linux HD installs? If so, what is the best way to go about it?

Thanks for your help DC

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 19:04
Originally posted by indigent
I was just clueless as to exactly how much work and how difficult it is to make it a dual boot. Didnt know if the work was worth the time.

often times,dual booting on one hard drive that is all Windows can damage the Windows OS to the point of not being recoverable and requiring reinstalling.Once all the proper partitions are there it's easy.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 19:07
Originally posted by glocktastic
Well, I think I made XP's partition too big in the first place. The sticker on the side of the computer says it's a 15.0GB Hard drive. However, I think it's 14.xGB. Is there a way for me to pull some of the windows partition away and add it over to the linux side? I'd like to have a swap as you said. Is there a way for me to do this without loosing the fresh XP install I have on there? If not, and I do need to reinstall windows AND then install Kanotix, how shouldI partition? Should windows get installed firest with, say a 8-9GB partition and then a 512mb-1GB partition for linux swap and the remainder for linux HD installs? If so, what is the best way to go about it?

Thanks for your help DC

Use the slightly smaller Kanotix lite CD without OpenOffice and make a swap partition on your present free space.Trying to tell you how to shrink the Windows partition might be a bit much.You can add a bit from the free space to the Linux partition and make a minimum swap partition.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 19:16
Mepis is huge but has a very automatic partitioning program in the installer.If it's small enough to fit your extra space (minus Windows) it will make a swap and linux partition then Kanotix will find them and install over it.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 19:24
If you use the Mepis installer and it give s you the choice of making a seperate Home partition don't do so you can save space where it's needed.Only need one Linux partition ,the Root partition and also one Linux swap partition.Home partition should be an option.

Cochese
09-18-2005, 19:25
I can't seem to get it to install at all. It says error 15: file not found...

*sigh*

Computers kick my ass

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 19:28
Is the CD running live or are you using the "new" installer on booting the CD?

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 19:30
Run the CD live and open a terminal(console/konsole) and type

"sudo kanotix-installer" without the quotes.Try that and see if it installs.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 19:31
kanotix-installer will give you a partition program option.

Cochese
09-18-2005, 19:34
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
kanotix-installer will give you a partition program option.

The cd is running live. I got QTparted open. I needed to setup a root password in the shell. Linux is complicated... :)

Here is a screenshot of qtparted with my HD info. What do you recommend I do as far as partitions?

http://tinypic.com/drcxz4.jpg

Cochese
09-18-2005, 19:36
BTW, linux, although confusing at times, kicks ass, and you DC, are VERY helpful. I appreciate it more than you know...

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 19:38
It says you have 1.88 MB used in your Linux partition.You should format it.Sometimes it will do it automatically though.Also Ext3 or ReiserFS is a bit better than ext 2 but not for installing only for stablity.Not a big deal right now.You can make a swap partition with Qparted.Put it in your free space.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 19:41
You can start over and delete your Linux partition then all that space will join your free space.Then make a 512MB linux swap partition and use the rest for Linux root labeled as "/" without the quotes.

Cochese
09-18-2005, 19:45
okay, I formatted the linux partition using ext3. It won't let me format the free space however... I set it as a primary partition and now, it won't let me do anything with it...

see pic

http://tinypic.com/drd1g6.jpg

Cochese
09-18-2005, 19:47
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
You can start over and delete your Linux partition then all that space will join your free space.Then make a 512MB linux swap partition and use the rest for Linux root labeled as "/" without the quotes.

okay, lets see if I can figure out how... :)

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 19:48
Yes Qparted can be frustrating.That's why I prefer cfdisk.Now you have to choose "commit" then it should install.It won't be as fast without a swap partition but with 512MB of RAM it should install and run from the hard disk.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 19:50
Oh try clicking the free space and find where it says "new" or something like that.Then you should be able to make the free space a swap partition.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 19:50
If you "delete" the Linux partition it will be free space and you can start from there.

Cochese
09-18-2005, 19:54
How does this look, DC?

http://tinypic.com/drdno5.jpg

What is the next step? Trying to install from within the live CD?

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 19:55
I forget the exact names it's "new" or "create" I think.These are all just different options you might try.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 19:56
With that setup you will lose Windows and the Linux partition isn't large enough for Kanotix.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 19:57
Oh wow I read it wrong. Windows is there.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 19:58
1.77GB isn't big enough for full Kanotix.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 19:59
You can install one of the smaller versions of Linux there.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 20:02
Linux grows by about 3 times when it's installed campared to the size of the iso.

Cochese
09-18-2005, 20:03
It fit a full install of mepis on there! Why not kanotix? ;)

Okay then... Well, assuming I have some time on my hands, no valuable information on either partition (including windows) a windows XP disk sitting here and the Kanotix disk sitting here... what should I do?

I will start over from scratch. I need a copy of XP on there. At least I think I do. Or do you think I should completely get rid of it and just have linux on there?

If I do keep winXP on the computer, whats the first thing for me to do? Delete all partitions and put windows on a smaller one? What size, considering the size of the disk itself and its capacity? Then whats the next step?

Thanks!!

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 20:05
Okay Im not sure which Mepis exactly you have.I found Mepis Lite to be just a tad smaller than Simply Mepis.

indigent
09-18-2005, 20:05
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
A dual boot might be good.Ti run MapPoint in Linux would require Wine and MapPoint is not 100% in it.There is a Windows GIS program that will run in Linux with Wine(ArcView 2.1).It's a bit of work though.

If you want Mepis on your laptop you must be careful not to damage your Windows OS.Mepis is also a live CD.UIt works best with a Linux swap partition on the hard drive so that's as risky as a hard drive install on the same hard drive.Safest is to use a second hard drive for the Linux.Have you tried the Mepis CD on your laptop as a live CD?

So is the dual boot option really worth my time, or can I get an external USB HD, put my windoze and map point on it and be done. I only use map point for trips and when i need detailed directions, so would it be possible to just throw them on a USB HD and use it when have a trip or need directions?


Thanks for all your answers.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 20:07
Okay I haven't had much luck resizing Windows and have it still work.Kanotix Lite should fit there then.It's only short the office suite.You can try installing Kanotix it might not fill that much but it will be close.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 20:09
Originally posted by indigent
So is the dual boot option really worth my time, or can I get an external USB HD, put my windoze and map point on it and be done. I only use map point for trips and when i need detailed directions, so would it be possible to just throw them on a USB HD and use it when have a trip or need directions?


Thanks for all your answers.

The newer PC's,laptops can boot from USB just remember USB hard drives will transfer data a bit slower than an internal drive.

indigent
09-18-2005, 20:15
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
The newer PC's,laptops can boot from USB just remember USB hard drives will transfer data a bit slower than an internal drive.

My toshiba has USB 1.1, how much slower will the transfer be and how big of a HD will I need?


Or could I try my luck w/ a dual boot. After backing up my info of course.


THanks

Cochese
09-18-2005, 20:23
Originally posted by indigent
My toshiba has USB 1.1, how much slower will the transfer be and how big of a HD will I need?


Or could I try my luck w/ a dual boot. After backing up my info of course.


THanks

Dual boot with mepis is cool. It gives you a selection screen each time you start that says something like

Kernel 2.6
Kernel 2.4
Windows on dev/hda1


And it lets you select what you want.

On your toshiba, we will need to back up your stuff and clear off your computer since the entire partition is reserved for windows. I forget how big your HD is, but we can set aside like 8GB for windows and the rest for mepis, and after then install, you will be able to dual boot, and either run mepis, or windoze for MS apps like mappoint...

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 20:23
Originally posted by indigent
My toshiba has USB 1.1, how much slower will the transfer be and how big of a HD will I need?

Wow USB 1.1 will be extremely slow and most of those older ones with only USB 1.1 won't boot from a USB.If you are going to use Mepis as the primary OS you likely want 10GB-15GB or more space for it.Not everybody likes using just Linux.Some things on the internet don't "look" right or display properly or the same as on Windows.Some things will appear to not react as quickly as in Windows because of the structure of Linux.Back up you Windows and either repartition or reinstall it with Mepis.Mepis and Kanotix work well with Windows in the same PC and can share files between the two.

indigent
09-18-2005, 20:27
Originally posted by glocktastic
I forget how big your HD is,

60G

Maybe a dual boot is what I want. I get to use Mepis and I can install windows and run mappoint.

Cochese
09-18-2005, 20:27
DC, I'm trying a full Kanotix 2005-03 install since I'm too lazy to burn ANOTHER freaking cd for Lite, AND I haven't tried openoffice yet and want to check it out.

We will see if it installs, and if not, I will start from scratch and use your suggestions.

An interesting sidenote, I can't get better than 800x600 on the compaq desktop, but I tried putting the Kanotix cd in the messed up Latitude CPxJ Laptop that still needs a new motherboard, and it loaded with different, more graphical screens than on the Compaq, and gave me 1024x768! It also autodetected sound, and Orinoco card! Then Motherboard, (or something) caused it to lock up. (Like it does in windows)

HAS TO BE A HARDWARE ISSUE!!!! I wish I knew memory or motherboard before spending $$$ I dont have!

Cochese
09-18-2005, 20:30
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Wow USB 1.1 will be extremely slow and most of those older ones with only USB 1.1 won't boot from a USB.If you are going to use Mepis as the primary OS you likely want 10GB-15GB or more space for it.Not everybody likes using just Linux.Some things on the internet don't "look" right or display properly or the same as on Windows.Some things will appear to not react as quickly as in Windows because of the structure of Linux.Back up you Windows and either repartition or reinstall it with Mepis.Mepis and Kanotix work well with Windows in the same PC and can share files between the two.

+1

Dual boot with mepis and XP. We will back up your stuff and you can use 30GB for xp and 30 GB for mepis... or something. Maybe DC has a better suggestion.

I'm still trying to figure out all this crap.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 20:34
Yeah that's a good idea .See if it has enough room for full Kanotix first.I know it takes a long time to download another iso.As for the notebook I'm sure you don't want to spend much on it.Maybe you could try it with each piece of memory seperately.I think some of those due get bad motherboards.It doesn't take much to know around a notebook.I've picked up some old desktop PC's to play with for free from people upgrading.Free notenooks aren't as easy to find.

Cochese
09-18-2005, 20:37
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Okay I haven't had much luck resizing Windows and have it still work.Kanotix Lite should fit there then.It's only short the office suite.You can try installing Kanotix it might not fill that much but it will be close.

It worked. Or at least it said it did. Gonna try to boot. Wonder if it auto setup the grub for me. It never asked. What the heck are all of these lines on the screen? From running it on liveCD?

Weird.
Linux is phun. I feel like a l33t hax0r.
:/
http://tinypic.com/dre1w7.jpg

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 20:38
Originally posted by glocktastic
+1

Dual boot with mepis and XP. We will back up your stuff and you can use 30GB for xp and 30 GB for mepis... or something. Maybe DC has a better suggestion.

I'm still trying to figure out all this crap.

I'm still trying to figure out this stuff too.Linux is my "video game".My girlfriend is a computer programmer for the Italian telephone company but she doesn't use Linux and doesn't want to look at a computer when she's not working.

indigent
09-18-2005, 20:39
DC, does Mepis have a way to detect ad-hoc networks. The wife and I have one in our tiny apt. Will mepis allow us to continue to use it that way or not?


Thanks

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 20:40
Originally posted by glocktastic
It worked. Or at least it said it did. Gonna try to boot. Wonder if it auto setup the grub for me. It never asked. What the heck are all of these lines on the screen? From running it on liveCD?

Weird.
Linux is phun. I feel like a l33t hax0r.
:/
http://tinypic.com/dre1w7.jpg

Hmmm,I'm not sure what those lines are.Sometimes it looks different on every PC.Oh and you should be able to reset/change your resolution after the hard drive install.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 20:42
Originally posted by indigent
DC, does Mepis have a way to detect ad-hoc networks. The wife and I have one in our tiny apt. Will mepis allow us to continue to use it that way or not?


Thanks

I haven't done a lot of networking with Linux.I'm really don't know.But it is a "server" OS and there are plenty of networking tools and programs in Linux.

Cochese
09-18-2005, 20:45
lol... crap!

I just restarted and loading grub 1.5......
Error 17



*Then nothing. It just sits there. When I installed, It prompted me to make a boot disk which I did, and so I tried to boot with that and it said:

GRUB loading stage 2. Read error

Then nothing. It just sits there.

Ideas?

Cochese
09-18-2005, 20:49
Originally posted by indigent
DC, does Mepis have a way to detect ad-hoc networks. The wife and I have one in our tiny apt. Will mepis allow us to continue to use it that way or not?


Thanks

wlan config should let you pick an ad-hoc network. I think I remember seeing the option in mepis while trying to get it to detect that new Belkin pci wifi card.

Or you could gett off your cheap ass and buy a wireless AP/hub for $20 of eBay ;f

Daddy will even help you set it up on wifes XP machine.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 20:49
I suspect there just wasn't enough space for everythiing.There is a rescue/boot option on the CD I think.The mini CD you downloaded that was in German has it for sure.I think it allows reinstalling grub but if the boot disk doesn't work I doubt that will help.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 20:50
You can reduce the swap partition to 128MB and resize the and format the Linux partition.That may or may not be enough extra space.

Cochese
09-18-2005, 20:53
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
I suspect there just wasn't enough space for everythiing.There is a rescue/boot option on the CD I think.The mini CD you downloaded that was in German has it for sure.I think it allows reinstalling grub but if the boot disk doesn't work I doubt that will help.

Okie dokie.

I think that gives me a reason to delete all partitions and reallocate windows to a *smaller* one, like maybe 4 GB or so.

What should I do first? Should I just boot off XP cd, and try and re partition in there? Or should I just do it in Linux environment with Live cd, install Kanotix, leaving enough room in free space for an XP partition then put XP cd in and install from there?

What do you think?

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 20:57
Okay for dual install.I found that the Windows CD needs to see a Windows parttion or format on the drive before it even begins.This means it can't be all Linux or free space.What I do is I have a certain Linux with a partitioning program that allows me to make a FAT 32 partition.XP will see this as Windows and reformat it to NTFS.The Windows CD won't touch the Linux partition.So I make all my partitions first.Then install Windows then Linux.The Master Boot Record MBR has the Linux bootloader that also boots Windows.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 21:02
Since you already have a Windows partition maybe you could just make it smaller with the Windows CD.I haven't tried this just might be worth trying.

Cochese
09-18-2005, 21:09
Hmmm.. not sure if windows will let me do that or not with the disk. I'm gonna go tinker with it. I think that the partition program I was using in Kanotix lets you assign a partition to FAT32 and 16...

Maybe I should try that?

sigh.

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 21:13
I didn't really mean make the current windows smaller but when reformatting and installing designate a small portion for the install.Yes I think Qparted will make a FAT 32 partition.I think if it's just free space the Windows CD won't see it.

indigent
09-18-2005, 21:22
Originally posted by glocktastic
wlan config should let you pick an ad-hoc network. I think I remember seeing the option in mepis while trying to get it to detect that new Belkin pci wifi card.

Or you could gett off your cheap ass and buy a wireless AP/hub for $20 of eBay ;f

Daddy will even help you set it up on wifes XP machine.

If you were really my friend you would buy it and let me pay you back, oh and I'm frugal, not cheap.

Cochese
09-18-2005, 21:34
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
I didn't really mean make the current windows smaller but when reformatting and installing designate a small portion for the install.Yes I think Qparted will make a FAT 32 partition.I think if it's just free space the Windows CD won't see it.

It's a 14.3 gb hard drive. I just removed windows and linux partitions.

I am using diskpart in the windows cd to do it. It also says there is a mbr d: drive with 245mb. Not sure what the deal is with that.

Anyway, what size partition do you recommend I specify for XP, Washington?

Cochese
09-18-2005, 21:35
Originally posted by indigent
If you were really my friend you would buy it and let me pay you back, oh and I'm frugal, not cheap.

Lol, you need to quit letting her grab wads of cash out of your hand without a fight. Or buy it and don't tell her...

I don't have any money. I'm a broke ass public servant that still needs a motherboard for his laptop

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 21:38
Well lets say about 6GB or 6.5GB for Linux,512MB or half GB Linux swap and the rest for Windows.Go 6GB Linux,512MB swap and the rest for WindowsIf tight on space you could go down to 256MB swap without too big a hit on performance.512MB would be equal to your memory and is a really good size.

indigent
09-18-2005, 21:44
Originally posted by glocktastic
Lol, you need to quit letting her grab wads of cash out of your hand without a fight. Or buy it and don't tell her...

I don't have any money. I'm a broke ass public servant that still needs a motherboard for his laptop

Humor my friend. We actually talked about getting one. The ad-hoc connection works well, but its patchy somedays.

I too am a broke ass public servant, I'll trade checks if you want to.

:cool:

Cochese
09-18-2005, 21:44
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Well lets say about 6GB or 6.5GB for Linux,512MB or half GB Linux swap and the rest for Windows.Go 6GB Linux,512MB swap and the rest for WindowsIf tight on space you could go down to 256MB swap without too big a hit on performance.512MB would be equal to your memory and is a really good size.

okay, I'm giving windows 6 GB. Now, It's asking for format.
Choices are:

1.NTFS (Quick)
2.Fat32(Quick)
3.NTFS
4.Fat32

Which should I choose for dual boot with kanotix?

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 21:47
I guess for XP NTFS, I think quick might be okay because the Windows CD will reformat it anyway.

Cochese
09-18-2005, 22:01
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
I guess for XP NTFS, I think quick might be okay because the Windows CD will reformat it anyway.

Cool. I'm gonna let XP install, then I'm off to bed, since I have to work at 0530 am tomorrow.

Thanks for your help so far! I'll probably have more questions tomorrow night, so be ready! ;f

Washington,D.C.
09-18-2005, 22:05
Okay no problem. ;P

Cochese
09-20-2005, 18:30
Well D.C...

I installed Kanotix 2005-03. The video still does not resize to anything larger than 800x600 and now the internet will not connect. With the live CD it was detecting the card and setting up the connection automatically. Now I can't get any internet.

I'm confused. I figured everything would be better after the install but it seems to work better as a live run off of the CD. Did I mess something up?

It gives me 4 boot options in the grubloader menu...

1. Debian GNU/Linux, Kernel
2. Debian GNU/Linux, Kernel 2.6.11-Kanotix-11
3. Windows 2k/XP/2003 (hda1)
4. Windows 95/98/ME (sda1)

The 4th (95/98/ME) option doesn't work and gives an error when you try and use it.

The 3rd gives me XP, which functions normally.

1 and 2 appear to give me Kanotix, with max 800x600 res and no WiFi ^8

When Kanotix (and I think other Linuxi as well) boots, it gives me the following message:

"You passed an undefined mode number
Press (return) to see video modes available or (space) to continue or wait 30 seconds...

If I hit return, it says:

Video Adapter VESA VGA
Mode: Coxs x Rows:
0 0F01 80x25
1 0F02 80x50
2 0F03 80x43

etc, etc, etc (let me know if I need to post the whole list)

What does all of this crap mean? Any ideas on getting 1024x768 or the internet to work?

Also, those lines in the background are back with the HD install. They go away if I refresh the desktop...

Thanks D.C...

and all others!

Jason

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 21:28
Boot options used to be two different Linux kernels but I think the current version only has one kernel so I think boot 1 and 2 are the same.I have read about people having network commections problems after hard drive install.Sometimes this can be easily fixed with opening a terminal/console/konsole and enter as admin/root by typing "su" without the quotes and press Enter key then type the Root password and press Enter.

Then type netcardconfig

set to dpcp

This is the fix type this

apt-get update
apt-get install netcardconfig-kanotix


Do this hooked up to the internet with ethernet then reboot.This is a known bug and this the fix.

This explains the network must be reconfigured every start.This fixes it.

http://wiki.kanotix.net/CoMa.php?CoMa=WLanConfig

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 21:33
Video resolution fix

wget http://www.kanotix.com/files/fix/fix-res.sh ; chmod +x fix-res.sh && ./fix-res.sh 1280x1024



Don't forget to restart x (ctrl-alt-backspace).

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 21:36
I'm not sure if it will help in your case but when you have time you might want to download the next older version of Kanotix and see how that works.

http://debian.tu-bs.de/kanotix/KANOTIX-2005-02/KANOTIX-2005-02.iso

Cochese
09-20-2005, 21:50
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Boot options used to be two different Linux kernels but I think the current version only has one kernel so I think boot 1 and 2 are the same.I have read about people having network commections problems after hard drive install.Sometimes this can be easily fixed with opening a terminal/console/konsole and enter as admin/root by typing "su" without the quotes and press Enter key then type the Root password and press Enter.

Then type netcardconfig

set to dpcp

This is the fix type this

apt-get update
apt-get install netcardconfig-kanotix


Do this hooked up to the internet with ethernet then reboot.This is a known bug and this the fix.

This explains the network must be reconfigured every start.This fixes it.

http://wiki.kanotix.net/CoMa.php?CoMa=WLanConfig

You rock!

I'm trying this one right now. I got a few errors "cou'nt connect to ftp.debian etc. errors. Lets see if it worked even with the errors...

Cochese
09-20-2005, 21:59
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
I'm not sure if it will help in your case but when you have time you might want to download the next older version of Kanotix and see how that works.

http://debian.tu-bs.de/kanotix/KANOTIX-2005-02/KANOTIX-2005-02.iso

I made one the other day. Should I try installing it to HD if these don't fix the issues? Looks like internet works.

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 22:00
Okay let me know how it works.I'm not very good at giving directions because I always forget the proper names for commands and things unless I'm doing them right in front of me.Even then it's a bit of trial and error.

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 22:03
Originally posted by glocktastic
I made one the other day. Should I try installing it to HD if these don't fix the issues? Looks like internet works.

Okay,so your internet is working now?Only the resolution to fix now?Let me know how it goes,I'll try to help what I can.

Cochese
09-20-2005, 22:03
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Video resolution fix

wget http://www.kanotix.com/files/fix/fix-res.sh ; chmod +x fix-res.sh && ./fix-res.sh 1280x1024



Don't forget to restart x (ctrl-alt-backspace).

It downloaded the files and looked like it worked. It said something along the lines of new video modes now available 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 etc. or something along those lines.

But, when I go into the right click/desktop configuration, it only gives 640x480 at 61hz!!!!

What am I doing or not doing?

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 22:05
Originally posted by glocktastic
It downloaded the files and looked like it worked. It said something along the lines of new video modes now available 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 etc. or something along those lines.

But, when I go into the right click/desktop configuration, it only gives 640x480 at 61hz!!!!

What am I doing or not doing?

Hmmm,I'm not sure.I'll have to look in to it more.What sort of graphics card and monitor?

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 22:06
Maybe

wget http://www.kanotix.com/files/fix/fix-res.sh ; chmod +x fix-res.sh && ./fix-res.sh 1280x1024

and edit last two numbers to the resolution you want.

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 22:07
I think there are some settings from the desktop you might be able to make.

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 22:09
Now you shouldn't have to download anything.Just figure out how to reset you resolution.

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 22:11
Oh it looks like the firewall "Guarddog" causes some download errors.You might want to try disabling Gusrddog and trying to get the files again.

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 22:13
Try Ctrl+alt+F1 and see what that does.

Cochese
09-20-2005, 22:16
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
I think there are some settings from the desktop you might be able to make.

It says 11.01mb/s - fix.res.sh.3 saved [1155/1155]

New Modes: "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
root@compaqlinux:~#


Is there a way to adjust the settings in the Shell?

Or do you have a suggestion for doing it in the GUI?
What should my next step be?
Thanks!!!!!!!

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 22:22
There are some settings.Off hand I don't recall exactly where to find them.You can search your apps by clicking the "Gear" icon in lower left and see if there is "System" or something like that in K-menu.Also check under Apps-All Applications.There is always a command line command in Linux.I just don't remember it right now.I can find out and post it later.Everything in Linux can be done in commandline.That's all the gui is in Linux is a link to a commandline interface.Linux is a commandline OS.The GUI is just extra.

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 22:25
You can edit XF86config but it can be complicated.I'll see what I can find out.I'm about half asleep right now.

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 22:28
search synaptic for the keywork kcontrol and it will pull up an entry gtk something. Install that then you will see the new entry in you control center

Cochese
09-20-2005, 22:38
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
search synaptic for the keywork kcontrol and it will pull up an entry gtk something. Install that then you will see the new entry in you control center

I know this sounds stupid, but what/where is synaptic?

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 22:43
It's graphical list of available software.You may need to install it.I think you can type

apt-get install synaptic

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 22:52
I think you have this now but you can download this

http://www.kanotix.com/files/fix/fix-res.sh

Then

Run:
su
<password>
bash fix-res.sh 1280x1024
fix-dpi-kdm.bash
<ctrl><alt><backspace>


Then run KDE "Screen resize and rotate" and set "apply settings on startup"

Cochese
09-20-2005, 22:53
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
It's graphical list of available software.You may need to install it.I think you can type

apt-get install synaptic

It's installing right now...

Cochese
09-20-2005, 22:54
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Run:
su
<password>
bash fix-res.sh 1280x1024
fix-dpi-kdm.bash
<ctrl><alt><backspace>


Then run KDE "Screen resize and rotate" and set "apply settings on startup"

Should I use 1280x1024 or just use what will work, like 1024x768?

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 22:55
Originally posted by glocktastic
Should I use 1280x1024 or just use what will work, like 1024x768?
Yes i also editted that it installs the fix I think you already have.

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 22:57
I think you'll like synaptic.It's a graphical tool to manage adding and removing software.

Cochese
09-20-2005, 23:06
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
I think you have this now but you can download this

http://www.kanotix.com/files/fix/fix-res.sh

Then

Run:
su
<password>
bash fix-res.sh 1280x1024
fix-dpi-kdm.bash
<ctrl><alt><backspace>


Then run KDE "Screen resize and rotate" and set "apply settings on startup"

This is really kicking my ass. I've done everything, and CTRL ALT BKSPC'ed and all I am getting is 640x480. I feel like am either retarded or missing something.

Cochese
09-20-2005, 23:08
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
I think you'll like synaptic.It's a graphical tool to manage adding and removing software.


I just went to the shell and typed synaptic and it said:

The following problems were found on your system:

(lots of crap)

-I'll try and get some screenshots. Hold on...

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 23:11
Okay

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 23:13
You may be able to change settings in

'K Menu', 'Control Center', 'Appearance & Themes', Fonts.

Cochese
09-20-2005, 23:15
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Hmmm,I'm not sure.I'll have to look in to it more.What sort of graphics card and monitor?

It's a Compaq MV540 monitor and presario 5BW120 5000 Series with, (I believe) an 82810E DC-133 CGC Chipset Graphics Compaq Computer corp. Rev. 03...

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 23:18
Okay,let me get back tomorrow evening or whenever you have time.My eyes are turning square looking at this screen.I'll post during the day tomorrow what I find.

Cochese
09-20-2005, 23:20
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Okay,let me get back tomorrow evening or whenever you have time.My eyes are turning square looking at this screen.I'll post during the day tomorrow what I find.

I'm off tomorrow, so that will work PERFECTLY! I know how you feel. I got to work at 0530, until 1800. It's 1220 now ;P


(How to I disable Guarddog?)

Cochese
09-20-2005, 23:25
Sleep well and thanks again. Talk to you tomorrow!!!!

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 23:27
Guarddog is graphical interface for Linux firewall iptables one way temp turn off until restart

/etc/init.d/iptables stop



to disable completely


chkconfig --levels 345 iptables off


Graphiically

Open Guarddog and in the very last tab(Advanced) click on the box beside "Disable Guarddog". That will stop the program at startup.

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 23:29
Those may not be exactly correct but I'm beat right now.Those should get you close until I get back on tomoorrow.I'm out.

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 23:32
Scroll down to English here

http://forum.kanotix.net/index.php


Also can read Debian and Knoppix forums.Most info for those apply to Kanotix


http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/forum-37.html


http://www.knoppix.net/forum/

Cochese
09-20-2005, 23:33
Nite boss man ;)

Washington,D.C.
09-20-2005, 23:37
Mepis also based on Debian


http://www.mepis.org/forum/


http://forums.debian.net/


:)

Cochese
09-21-2005, 12:18
I can't seem to find guarddog in any of the KDE menu at all. I looked for an hour last night and 30 minutes today. I also tried the shell commands and they did not work. It's hiding from me!

biblefreak
09-21-2005, 12:30
In MEPIS it is Kmenu > System > Guardog

It should be similar in Kanotix as they are both very closely based on Debian. As a matter of fact, I have dist-upgraded my system to the latest SID/Testing and that is still where GaurdDog is. Also, you can run a command to configure X. IIRC the command is $ sudo xfree86config
and then you just answer the questions the scripts ask you. At some point you can select your screen resolutions that will be available to you. Make sure you toggle the options that you want, then configure your color depth, and restart X. Hint: you can accept the defaults for most questions you don't know the answer to by hitting enter, or where it lets you, enter "1" which is auto. Of course you don't want to do this for your VC or the monitor settings!

Justin

Cochese
09-21-2005, 12:40
Should I be doing all of this logged in as root, or just as my user account? I was reading a topic in the kanotix forum and Kano (the creator) said at one point, (not as root!). I thought that was odd as root is like administraitor in Windows...

Oh, I couldn't find guard dog. It's not in that submenu, BUT under K Menu> Kanotix> Serives> there is one called KANOTIX Firewall. It didn't have an advanced tab, but I disabled that program. Maybe thats the only one here and there is no guarddog?

Hmmm.

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 12:51
It could be.Those are all just graphical frontends for the real Linux firewall "iptables".

Cochese
09-21-2005, 12:51
Originally posted by biblefreak
In MEPIS it is Kmenu > System > Guardog

It should be similar in Kanotix as they are both very closely based on Debian. As a matter of fact, I have dist-upgraded my system to the latest SID/Testing and that is still where GaurdDog is. Also, you can run a command to configure X. IIRC the command is $ sudo xfree86config
and then you just answer the questions the scripts ask you. At some point you can select your screen resolutions that will be available to you. Make sure you toggle the options that you want, then configure your color depth, and restart X. Hint: you can accept the defaults for most questions you don't know the answer to by hitting enter, or where it lets you, enter "1" which is auto. Of course you don't want to do this for your VC or the monitor settings!

Justin

http://tinypic.com/dwqscw.png

I think I may have "updated" to some other program to control these settings. I'm too much of a damn noob to understand most of it! I feel like a kid again!

;)

Cochese
09-21-2005, 12:55
I got into those screens last night where they ask for all of your system information like monitor settings, etc, but now I can't remember how to get there... I want to try it with the firewall deactivated.

Cochese
09-21-2005, 13:00
http://tinypic.com/dwquxh.png

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 13:01
You may be able to use an editor(kedit) to edit xfree86 but it's not simple /etc/XF86Config-4.


Maybe try sudo xf86config and see what that gies you.

Cochese
09-21-2005, 13:03
http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-296142.html
http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/201


I'm looking at info on these sites too...

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 13:05
Try this sudo xf86config-kanotix

Cochese
09-21-2005, 13:08
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
You may be able to use an editor(kedit) to edit xfree86 but it's not simple /etc/XF86Config-4.


Maybe try sudo xf86config and see what that gies you.

DC, Justin;

I just typed sudo xorgconfig

and it said:

http://tinypic.com/dwqw3o.png

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 13:10
Hmm xorg is a comparable X server to xfree86.I didn't think Kanotix used xorg86 yet but I knew they were moving that way.I don't think it's there.Only xfree86 should be there.

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 13:13
Here's the package list.Xorg is not there.xfree86 is still the X server in Kanotix.


http://kanotix.com/files/kanotix/kanotix-packages.html

Cochese
09-21-2005, 13:14
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Hmm xorg is a comparable X server to xfree86.I didn't think Kanotix used xorg86 yet but I knew they were moving that way.I don't think it's there.Only xfree86 should be there.

Okay, so should I cancel by CTRL C and try running your command? What about Super Probe. I still don't know what my videocard is exactly. It's the stock one that came with this Presario 5BW1200 Series 5000

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 13:15
I'm guessing you have the onboard Intel i810 video.Yes cancel and try the one I gave you.

Cochese
09-21-2005, 13:17
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
I'm guessing you have the onboard Intel i810 video.Yes cancel and try the one I gave you.

http://tinypic.com/dwrhjl.png

;P

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 13:21
Did you try sudo xf86config already ?

Cochese
09-21-2005, 13:23
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Did you try sudo xf86config already ?

Yeah, it says:

sudo: xf86config: command not found

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 13:26
Okay run this as root

fix-res.sh 1280x1024


whatever resolution you want for the numbers of course.



Then restart X via ctl-alt-backspace.

Cochese
09-21-2005, 13:28
http://tinypic.com/dwrk38.png

Cochese
09-21-2005, 13:31
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Okay run this as root

fix-res.sh 1280x1024


whatever resolution you want for the numbers of course.



Then restart X via ctl-alt-backspace.

Done. Still max 640x480 in configure desktop

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 13:33
Okay that's old Kanotix script You already have run the newer one last night.Let me find it again.

Cochese
09-21-2005, 13:34
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Okay that's old Kanotix script You already have run the newer one last night.Let me find it again.

Okay!

Is there any useful info for you in here? I can't understand WTF they ar saying ;)

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=1424

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 13:40
Have you tried this yet?


update-scripts-kanotix.sh

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 13:43
I'm not sure the Debian info there applies ir helps you right now.I'm trying to sort it out now.

Cochese
09-21-2005, 13:44
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Have you tried this yet?


update-scripts-kanotix.sh

Trying now......




All were either "no update available"
or
"current version"

.............

Cochese
09-21-2005, 13:45
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
I'm not sure the Debian info there applies ir helps you right now.I'm trying to sort it out now.

Okay. I will be patient. Thank you sooooo much for your help so far!

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 13:46
Maybe run this without changing the numbers then the resolution you want may be in the list.


su
fix-res.sh 1280x1024
fix-dpi-kdm.bash

then press

ctrl-alt-backspace

Cochese
09-21-2005, 13:47
So far, the only one that seems to have hope is

sudo xorgconfig



It's the only one that does anything. I think it is the one I ran last night, but I entered all of the defaults since I didn't know what I was doing. If I can figure out what to enter in each field, It might work. Is there any way to know exactly what to enter in all of the fiels based on knowing I have a presario 5BW120 series 5000 with stock on board video and stock Presario MV540 monitor?

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 13:51
This may take a bit of time but I found the synaptic fix.First you must run

apt-get update

then apt-get install synaptic

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 13:53
Originally posted by glocktastic
So far, the only one that seems to have hope is

sudo xorgconfig



It's the only one that does anything. I think it is the one I ran last night, but I entered all of the defaults since I didn't know what I was doing. If I can figure out what to enter in each field, It might work. Is there any way to know exactly what to enter in all of the fiels based on knowing I have a presario 5BW120 series 5000 with stock on board video and stock Presario MV540 monitor?

I would be surprized if it's installed.You should have either xfree85 or xorg but not both.

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 13:55
You need to know the limits of your monitor.Of it would help anyway.You video is Intel 810 and chipset is 810E.It take me some time .You can run the live CD again.before booting type

kanotix noml

see what that looks like.

Cochese
09-21-2005, 13:57
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
This may take a bit of time but I found the synaptic fix.First you must run

apt-get update

then apt-get install synaptic

I installed it lastnight. I did again just now just to make sure.

"synaptic is already newest version"

FYI:

It gives me a bunch of "W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.de.debian.org unstable/non-us/non-free...blah blah... ) - stat (2 no such file or directory)" messages

Then says you may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems. I ran apt-get update first. I've run it about 10 times. It gives me errors too...

Cochese
09-21-2005, 13:58
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
You need to know the limits of your monitor.Of it would help anyway.You video is Intel 810 and chipset is 810E.It take me some time .You can run the live CD again.before booting type

kanotix noml

see what that looks like.

Will try now...

Cochese
09-21-2005, 13:59
Here is another screenshot with more info while I try booting from the live cd...

http://tinypic.com/dwrqk8.png

Cochese
09-21-2005, 14:00
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
You need to know the limits of your monitor.Of it would help anyway.You video is Intel 810 and chipset is 810E.It take me some time .You can run the live CD again.before booting type

kanotix noml

see what that looks like.

Where do I type kanotix noml? On shell-konsole? Or do you mean in the boot menu on the live cd???

Cochese
09-21-2005, 14:03
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
You need to know the limits of your monitor.Of it would help anyway.You video is Intel 810 and chipset is 810E.

MV540:

# Integrated Telex microphone
# 2 JBL Platinum Series speakers with digital audio-player port
# 1,024 x 768 maximum resolution
# 0.28-millimeter dot pitch
# 13.8-inch viewable screen

***********

* Compatibility: PC only
* Display type: Color, multifrequency
* Display size: 15 inches
* Diagonal viewable screen size: 13.8 inches
* Tube type: Flat square, polished
* Dot/pixel pitch: 0.28 millimeters
* Input signals: Sync TTL, 75 ohms +/- 3 percent, digital audio port input, line input jack
* Input connector/cable: 15-pin miniature D-sub
* Maximum noninterlaced resolution: 1,024 x 768
* Maximum refresh rate: 85 Hz
* Horizontal frequency: 31.5 to 54 kHz
* Vertical frequency: 50 to 120 Hz
* Power on/off: Yes
* Contrast: Yes
* Brightness: Yes
* Horizontal/vertical position: Yes
* Horizontal/vertical size: Yes
* Pincushion: Yes
* Degauss: Yes
* Trapezoid: Yes
* Parallelogram: Yes
* Recall: Yes
* Width: 14.6 inches
* Height: 15.6 inches
* Depth: 16.3 inches
* Weight: 28.7 pounds
* Warranty, parts: 1 year
* Warranty, labor: 1 year
* Speakers: 2, 3 watts RMS per channel at 10 percent THD
* Speaker frequency response: 100 Hz to 20 kHz
* Speaker cord length: 5 feet to CPU, 5 feet from speaker to speaker
* Speaker weight: 3 pounds
* Microphone: Integrated Telex

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 14:04
oo I forgot it may be a boot option on extra menu or it gets typed mext to where it says

boot:

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 14:08
Originally posted by glocktastic
MV540:

# Integrated Telex microphone
# 2 JBL Platinum Series speakers with digital audio-player port
# 1,024 x 768 maximum resolution
# 0.28-millimeter dot pitch
# 13.8-inch viewable screen

***********

* Compatibility: PC only
* Display type: Color, multifrequency
* Display size: 15 inches
* Diagonal viewable screen size: 13.8 inches
* Tube type: Flat square, polished
* Dot/pixel pitch: 0.28 millimeters
* Input signals: Sync TTL, 75 ohms +/- 3 percent, digital audio port input, line input jack
* Input connector/cable: 15-pin miniature D-sub
* Maximum noninterlaced resolution: 1,024 x 768
* Maximum refresh rate: 85 Hz
* Horizontal frequency: 31.5 to 54 kHz
* Vertical frequency: 50 to 120 Hz
* Power on/off: Yes
* Contrast: Yes
* Brightness: Yes
* Horizontal/vertical position: Yes
* Horizontal/vertical size: Yes
* Pincushion: Yes
* Degauss: Yes
* Trapezoid: Yes
* Parallelogram: Yes
* Recall: Yes
* Width: 14.6 inches
* Height: 15.6 inches
* Depth: 16.3 inches
* Weight: 28.7 pounds
* Warranty, parts: 1 year
* Warranty, labor: 1 year
* Speakers: 2, 3 watts RMS per channel at 10 percent THD
* Speaker frequency response: 100 Hz to 20 kHz
* Speaker cord length: 5 feet to CPU, 5 feet from speaker to speaker
* Speaker weight: 3 pounds
* Microphone: Integrated Telex

Oh I see that's your max resolution.With a 15 inch monitor I normally use 800x600.

Cochese
09-21-2005, 14:12
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Oh I see that's your max resolution.With a 15 inch monitor I normally use 800x600.

Is there a problem with 1024x768?

Right now, I can't even get 800x600. It disappeared yesterday while screwing with the computer...

All in all, I'd rather have 1024x768. It works fine in windows with 1024x768, if that matters at all.



Also, kanotix noml is not an option in the boot menu or extra menu. There is also no boot line...

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 14:17
Okay,I'll run my Kanotix CD.Oh for the resolution it must be an available number.You might try to run those other codes with 800x600 just to see if it returns.Higher may be more difficult but I'll see what I can figure out.

biblefreak
09-21-2005, 14:32
Originally posted by Washington,D.C.
Here's the package list.Xorg is not there.xfree86 is still the X server in Kanotix.


http://kanotix.com/files/kanotix/kanotix-packages.html

Ws there a last minute change? I haven't checked Distrowatch, but he has to have Xorg if that command works. If he didn't have x-org, then it would have given him a command not found error. If you have Xorg, or if you don't for that matter you should as Xfree86 is all but gone, try at a command sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg and update to the latest xorg whick I think I am running 6.8.2 and you can use the sudo xorgconfig command to set up your monitor.

Justin

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 14:36
I was thinking it must be there for that too.I know everything is switching to Xorg these days because the newer xfree86 has different licensing.

Cochese
09-21-2005, 14:36
Originally posted by biblefreak
Ws there a last minute change? I haven't checked Distrowatch, but he has to have Xorg if that command works. If he didn't have x-org, then it would have given him a command not found error. If you have Xorg, or if you don't for that matter you should as Xfree86 is all but gone, try at a command sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg and update to the latest xorg whick I think I am running 6.8.2 and you can use the sudo xorgconfig command to set up your monitor.

Justin

Okay, I think your right. I'm trying that now...

Here is where I am at. What should I choose based on the info on my monitor above?

http://tinypic.com/dws3g3.png

biblefreak
09-21-2005, 14:37
BTW, Debian is the only major distro I am aware of that has not officially adopted Xorg. It is in the unstable repos which is what Kanotix runs. Have you done a dist-upgrade?

Justin

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 14:38
Kanotix 2005-03


Specifications:

* Kernel 2.6.11.11 with many patches
* Better compression due to Squashfs
* ACPI and DMA enabled by default (can be disabled with acpi=off and nodma respectively)
* i586 optimization - not for use with older CPUs!
* 128 MB RAM required, 256 MB RAM recommended
* Unionfs support (activate with unionfs cheat)
* NVIDIA and RADEON scripts work in live mode (like sudo install-nvidia|radeon-debian.sh)
* AVM Fritz!Card DSL support (PCI und USB)
* Fritz!Card PCI/USB CAPI support ? Please use CAPI ISDN Conf!
* Eagle USB DSL Support (i. e.. AT-AR215)
* New: KDE 3.4.1
* New: OpenOffice 1.9.104
* New: Azureus replaces Bittornado-GUI (not in Lite)
* GRUB boot loader for CD start - ideal for rescue in command line mode
* Memtest86+ Advanced Memory Diagnostic Tool in the extra menu of the boot loader
* ALSA 1.08 support -> works live and after hd installation
* AMD64/Centrino/P4 Mobile/Athlon XP Mobile detection with automated start of Powernowd
* ALPS and Synaptic touchpad detection
* Hibernate support when using swapfile with min. size of 1.5x RAM size (can be activated by get-resume-partition.sh after hd install)
* NTFS support for Poor Man Install
* fromiso=PATH/TO/KANOTIX*.iso cheatcode für PMI, good to use in combination with fromhd=/dev/hdXY (* is supported!)
* No kernel source is needed anymore to compile NVIDIA, ATI and many other kernel modules
* Captive can download the needed drivers from the net

Cochese
09-21-2005, 14:40
Originally posted by biblefreak
BTW, Debian is the only major distro I am aware of that has not officially adopted Xorg. It is in the unstable repos which is what Kanotix runs. Have you done a dist-upgrade?

Justin

I'm not sure. Is that "apt-get update"?

BTW, with regard to my above post...

* Maximum noninterlaced resolution: 1,024 x 768
* Maximum refresh rate: 85 Hz
* Horizontal frequency: 31.5 to 54 kHz
* Vertical frequency: 50 to 120 Hz

is what manufacturer says


Help!

biblefreak
09-21-2005, 14:41
So I don't go through the whole thread again, what are the specs on your laptop? Give me a minute so I can reboot into my linix box.

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 14:42
Okay for some reason the current package list is left over from Kanotix 2005-02.

http://kanotix.com/files/kanotix/kanotix-packages.html

Washington,D.C.
09-21-2005, 14:44
Originally posted by biblefreak
So I don't go through the whole thread again, what are the specs on your laptop? Give me a minute so I can reboot into my linix box.

He's not using the laptop now.It's Compaq desktop.

Cochese
09-21-2005, 14:44
Originally posted by biblefreak
So I don't go through the whole thread again, what are the specs on your laptop? Give me a minute so I can reboot into my linix box.

This isn't a laptop... that is the next project after I fix it's broken (or replace) MB.

This is a Compaq Presario Desktop model 5BW120, with 600mhz celeron, a compaq MV540 monitor 1024x768 max 15" 13.8 viewable . Machine has 512mb of ram (thanks Egyas!) and 14.3 GB HD with XP on 6gb partition, a 512mb linux swap and remainer is linux partition, either reiser or 3, I can't member...