WWB 165 grain .40 inaccurate?

[Daddybro]

I have come to the conclusion that WWB 165 gr. .40 ammo isn't worth a crap in my G22. I really think the problem lies in the cheap brass jacketed bullets. I remember WWB 9mm was lousy too, before they changed back to a copper jacketed bullet. I am refering to the 100 round value packs in both cases. I cannot get a decent group at all while using the WWB in my G22, but the gun groups great with CCI blazer brass 180 gr, and UMC 180 gr JHP rounds. I am wondering if it is truly the brass jacketed bullet, or maybe the gun likes 180 gr. bullets better. Anyone else ever noticed anything along these lines? Thanks!

Pat Brophy

[Joebagadonuts]

I also came to the same conclusion after having rounds keyhole into the target out of my 23 and 27. :(

[Braden]

The 165 gr. WWB shoots just fine through my G22. They seem to be just as accurate as anything else I shoot.

[pimuk]

When it comes to practice FMJ, I am afraid that WWB too much varies from lots to lots.

I even prefer Sellier&Bellot 180 FMJ better.

[Glock4Life]

I found that WWB varied greatly as to it's effectiveness for group retention. One of the better ammo's I found was Federal American Eagle. I eventually came to the conclusion that no factory ammo was sufficient for my needs so I began reloading and haven't looked back since. I'm not meaning to stray too far from the original question but just wanted to let you know what my experience has been.

[The Habit]

It seems like I've had "good" batches of WWB and "bad" batches in terms of accuracy. It's extremely dirty also. I much prefer CCI aluminum Blazer. It's more consistent and much, much cleaner. It's also $30 a case cheaper for me as well.

[randyrat]

using my G22 I group better with WOLF 180 than win. 165 My g22 shoots 180 better than lighter bullets. NOTICE I said (MINE)- could be the 40 was designed for heavier bullets. The best thing is hand load for YOUR weapon and stick with it when you find a good load

[pimuk]

My G-23 likes the 180 grain the best, too.

[147 Grain]

WWB can vary because Winchester uses whatever components are leftover or extras from their main lines. Some lots are great, others are less desireable.

Try a box out and if that lot number functions OK, return to Walmart and buy-up the rest of the lot.

[Rabid Rabbit]

I've had very good luck with WWB 165gr in my 27, never had a key hole or any other issue except for being dirty, but since I load with Unique I really can't complain about that.

[git_r_dun0405]

Originally posted by Daddybro
I have come to the conclusion that WWB 165 gr. .40 ammo isn't worth a crap in my G22. I really think the problem lies in the cheap brass jacketed bullets. I remember WWB 9mm was lousy too, before they changed back to a copper jacketed bullet. I am refering to the 100 round value packs in both cases. I cannot get a decent group at all while using the WWB in my G22, but the gun groups great with CCI blazer brass 180 gr, and UMC 180 gr JHP rounds. I am wondering if it is truly the brass jacketed bullet, or maybe the gun likes 180 gr. bullets better. Anyone else ever noticed anything along these lines? Thanks!

Pat Brophy

And I would agree. I feel that most value packs are pure plinking and second or third rate ammo. ;c

[147 Grain]

Shoot whatever you want for practice, but when your life's on the line, 180-gr. loads give you a better chance of survival.

[commander]

Originally posted by 147 Grain
Shoot whatever you want for practice, but when your life's on the line, 180-gr. loads give you a better chance of survival. That sounds a little like a.... well... not-so-humble opinion.

IMHO - 155/165 grain is the way to go in a .40 especially the shorter barreled ones.
And, FWIW - I wouldn't carry 147 gr. 9mm if I had to carry a 9mm ;)and if had a choice in ammo. I think the RA9TA packs a better wallop.

[147 Grain]

Originally posted by commander
FWIW - I wouldn't carry 147 gr. 9mm if I had to carry a 9mm ;)and if had a choice in ammo. I think the RA9TA packs a better wallop.

I think your "better wallop" is in the recoil and not performance.

Gelatin
147-gr. = 13.9 / .65
127-gr. = 12.3 / .64

4-Ply Denim
147-gr. = 14.5 / .66
127-gr. = 12.5 / .68

Heavy Cloth
147-gr. = 14.0 / .66
127-gr. = 12.2 / .68

Wallboard
147-gr. = 15.0 / .67
127-gr. = 12.1 / .66

Plywood
147-gr. = 14.8 / .62
127-gr. = 12.0 / .68

Auto Glass
147-gr = 10.8 / .52
127-gr. = 9.4 / .48

[GlockX35]

You don't state your sources for these figures or type of ammo but it sure is helpful if I'm ever attacked by Gelatin, Denim, Wallboard or Glass. 124 grain +p for 9mm and 165 gr .40 is the way to go for optimal velocity, penetration, and expansion.

Originally posted by 147 Grain
I think your "better wallop" is in the recoil and not performance.

Gelatin
147-gr. = 13.9 / .65
127-gr. = 12.3 / .64

4-Ply Denim
147-gr. = 14.5 / .66
127-gr. = 12.5 / .68

Heavy Cloth
147-gr. = 14.0 / .66
127-gr. = 12.2 / .68

Wallboard
147-gr. = 15.0 / .67
127-gr. = 12.1 / .66

Plywood
147-gr. = 14.8 / .62
127-gr. = 12.0 / .68

Auto Glass
147-gr = 10.8 / .52
127-gr. = 9.4 / .48

[ElevenO]

I've noticed that, for the most part, my glock 22 tends to shoot the 180 grain loads a little bit more accurately than the 165 grain loads. As far as hollowpoints are concerned, my glock loves the 180 grain federal hydrashocks and the 180 grain hornady xtp loads. It also shoots the 180 grain winchester supreme-t sxt ammo pretty well, too.

[pimuk]

Originally posted by ElevenO


...It also shoots the 180 grain winchester supreme-t sxt ammo pretty well, too...



I agree particularly on the 180 gr Supreme SXT (mine was the older version of recently launched "Supreme T") but I was able to make a
5-shot 5-inch 60-yard group using my bench-rested G-23.

I believed a ransom rest shall deliver an amazing group.

[killnbucks]

My G23 likes the 180 grain fodder much better than the 165 grain stuff. Also, I have noticed that I need to pay much more attention to details when firing cheap ammo than with better made self-defense loads. Not sure why this is exactly, but when I slow down and concentrate on the basics like my trigger pull, sight picture, stance, ect I can usually shoot the cheap stuff just as accurately as Hydra-shoks or what have you. Now maybe that's just me, but when I am shooting better ammo, I find that it is much more forgiving with regards to the basics of shooting. In other words, I can shoot faster and maintain my accuracy.

Long story, short... Maybe it's not the gun or the ammo but the shooter. So try slowing the hell down and getting back to your basics. I know that everyone thinks they are Dead-Eye Dick, but the truth is that you can probably shoot any ammo that is designed for your firearm just as well if you practice enough with it. I notice that my own accuracy gets better the more often I practice as well. Practice truely does make perfect.

[Detmongo]

daddypro,
i was just given about 1500 rds of the stuff. i dosen'tshoot for crap in my g23 at 25yds. i'm getting about a 7" group with the stuff. i switched to pmc 165 gr. hp and win. 165 gr.sxt and went back to 2-3" group at 25 yds.. the 165 gr.wwb shoots ok 15 yds and in. so i'll just use it for my close range pratice.

[CATATOMIC]

My G23 loves the WWB 165 grain value packs. At 15 to 20 yards it'll shoot damn near point of aim all day long. My 23 seems to favor the 155 and 165 grain ammo.

[Bert.40]

My G22C likes 165 grain better than 180 grain FMJ's. But reloading is the answer.

[rfd339]

i use the wwb in 165 and ok for practice ,in my g23 and g27 i carry 155gr. TAP.