Kahr PM9

[concrete]

Held a PM9 for the first time at the local gun shop last week, and it sure seemed like a nice little pistol.
Although a bit pricey with SS? slide & night sights.
I am relatively new to any info regarding Kahrs.
I would like to hear from those Kahr club members who own/carried/shot this pistol.
Reliability issues are most important to me as opposed to accuracy, concealability, finish, etc.
Honestly, how do they compare to Glock.
Any info provided will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

[chadster1]

I am somewhat of a newbie here so take that into account with what I say. I just purchased an MK9. I did a lot of reading on the MK9/PM9 on various forums. I wen to a local range and rented a PM9 and an MK40. The PM9 rental, the slide had to be manually pushed forward to feed the first round of the magazine. The MK40 rental had no issues. I was able to shoot more accurately with the PM9 than I was the MK40. That is what made me choose the MK9. There are a lot of people who have the PM9 and have had no problems with it but I found too many posts from people saying that they had issues with the PM9. I found no posts on any forums reporting any problems with the MK9. If reliability is your number 1 concern, I would reccomend an MK9 over the PM9. I carry my MK9 in a pocket holster in the back pocket of my jeans and it is the perfect gun for my situation.

As for price, you did not mention what you were quoted for a PM9. To steal a slogan from Snap-on Tools, "Quality is not expensive, it's priceless"

[concrete]

chadster1:
Thanks for your resonse.
They are the same exact size, except the MK9 has no polymer, correct?
It was between $700-800.
But then again that was just sticker price.

[Candiru]

$700-$800 is overpriced for a PM9. I bought mine for $620, and that's retail markup in an expensive town.

With respect to reliability, I have over 600 rounds through my PM9 of varying brands, all of which functioned without a single failure. This included over 100 cheap and dirty rounds in a single range session. The tight tolerances found in the PM9 make it potentially unreliable when firing cheap reloads, which may be the source of a portion of the problems reported by people. All Kahrs I've handled have intermittent issues hand-chambering the first round in the magazine; the bullet tends to hang up on the feedramp for anything but ball ammo. Kahr recommends using the slide release, which has been 100% reliable for me.

Recoil-wise, the PM9 can be a handful, especially with +P loads. The lack of a hold for my little finger made it easy to develop a flinch. If you're planning to carry IWB, you might consider the P9, which handles much more naturally in my hands.

The PM9s are nice guns, and I don't think you will be disappointed with one if you're informed about their strengths and weaknesses.

[concrete]

Candiru:
Thanks for your resonse.
For what I will be using it for, smaller is better.
Pocket Gun carry, so I believe P9 gets ruled out.
I generally never shoot reloads, so in that case IYHO you do believe that it should be totally reliable then.
How about reliability compared to Glocks?
I am in no way trying to begin a comparison battle between Kahr & Glock.
Although I love my Glocks, I also like my Ruger & Taurus for their reliability as well.
I guess I am seeking input from those that own both Kahr & Glock.
Perhaps for example: pros/cons between PM9 vs. G26
Thanks again for your valuable input.

[chadster1]

Originally posted by concrete
chadster1:
Thanks for your resonse.
They are the same exact size, except the MK9 has no polymer, correct?
It was between $700-800.
But then again that was just sticker price.

PM9 and MK9 are the exact same size. The MK9 is obviously heavier. I own a Glock 22 as well as an MK9. I would say that the quality of the 2 guns are equal. I am somewhat partial to my Kahr for purely subjective reasons. One being that having a quality gun in 9mm that I can carry in the back pocket of my jeans is comforting and it is American made. Here is a link from Kahrs site comparing the size/weight of the PM9/PM40 to the Glock 26/27. http://www.kahr.com/new_product.html#kahrvsglock

[concrete]

Originally posted by chadster1
I own a Glock 22 as well as an MK9. I would say that the quality of the 2 guns are equal.

That is what I was hoping to hear.

Nice comparison data. MK9 is a whole lot slimmer and lighter.
Got rid of my G27 a while back because it was not much smaller than my G23, and didn't quite fit the pocket gun role that well.
My pocket gun now is a Stainless Taurus 650 .357 mag, so I believe I can deal with the weight of the MK9.

Really appreciate the info.

[chadster1]

Just remember the comparison data is between the PM9 and the G26. The MK9 is heavier than the PM9.

[BikerRN]

I pocket carry a PM9 24/7 and once I got through the break-in period I have no releability issues with it.

To me it's the perfect CCW/BUG gun because it is the one you are most likely to have with you because it's so easy to carry. I carry mine in the weakside front pocket in a Highnoon Pocket Grabber.

If, for some reason I don't have my "Primary" either a G19 or a G36, I carry the PM9 in the appendix position, right side. It's a great little weapon that has real fight stopping potential. I find it to be very accurate, reliable, and easy to carry.

Once you get it broken in I think you will be happy with it. Just remember it's not a Glock and lube it like Michigun says. He has a great sticky on lubing the Kahr.

[MtnDewd]

Like Biker RN, my PM9 has been great after the initial break in period of a few hundred rounds. I now have a little over a 1000 rnds. through mine, and it is a pleasure to shoot- no problems and very accurate. I did polish the feed ramp to a mirror finish myself, which I think eliminated any potential feeding problems. It helped eliminate the first round in the magazine hanging when racking the slide, but really it's better to lock the slide back and to use the slide release lever to load the first round anyway. Bottom line, I like mine and consider it to be a keeper.
MtnDewd

P.S. I got mine (with darkened DLC coated slide) for $575 plus tax. The two tone model was about $20 cheaper.

[Stainless Chili]

I think both slides are stainless. One has DLC on it, one does not.

If the first round will not feed, maybe you need to release the slide more sharply when racking the slide, to allow the momentum to work properly.

I seem to recall the MK9 was a few hundreths thicker than the PM9.

I know my PM9 was tight as heck in my Sparks holster, but the MK9 was perfect. Go figure.

I would not waste time on the night sites, but each his own.

My PM9 sees regular darkness in my back pocket.
Sometimes a compact stainless 45 chases it away, and I bet the MK9 will also take up semi-permanant residence eventually.

[concrete]

Originally posted by MtnDewd
...my PM9 has been great after the initial break in period of a few hundred rounds.

What type of problems occurred during the break-in period?
(Stovepipe, FTE, etc.)

[concrete]

I did not find anything on the Kahr website regarding any safety features integrated in any of the Kahr models.

Do you guys carry it in the pocket with one in the pipe?

I figure with potential issues regarding on how you need to rack the slide a certain way in order to feed the first round, carrying this loaded would be the only way to ensure the first shot will go off.

Basically, is it safe to carry loaded in a pocket?

Please remember I am a newbie to Kahr pistols and their features.

Thanks.

[BikerRN]

All guns of mine have a round in the chamber. I use a holster to carry, that covers the trigger.

I hope that helps.

[Michigun]

I own or have owned these GLOCKs:

Two G26’s
Three G19’s
Two G17’s
Two G34’s

I own or have owned these Kahrs:

Two PM9’s
Two P9 Covert’s
One P9
Two K9’s

All have been top notch! ^c

Just like the GLOCK, the Kahr has 3 built-in safeties… both makes require the operator to purposely pull the trigger in order to fire the gun… neither makes have what’s considered a “manual safety”.

[concrete]

Originally posted by Michigun
All have been top notch! ^c

Glad to hear that.
Makes me more confident in getting a Kahr.
Still undecided between PM9 and MK9, though.

[GirlWithGlock]

I have the PM9 and a Glock 23. If I had to get rid of one of them today, it would be the PM9. The Glock is just way more comfortable for me, it's just quite big for summer carry. The PM9 is great for that! Luckily I don't have to get rid of either of them. :)

I love the PM9 for the size. I got a bad PM9 the first time around but Kahr backed their product and replaced it for me. So far, I really like the new one they sent me. I still want to get some more rounds through it before I completely rely on it. (About 500 through it so far.)

Mine cost me $553.00, including tax. That's with the stainless (silver) slide.

[concrete]

Originally posted by GirlWithGlock
I have the PM9 and a Glock 23. If I had to get rid of one of them today, it would be the PM9. The Glock is just way more comfortable for me, it's just quite big for summer carry. The PM9 is great for that! Luckily I don't have to get rid of either of them. :)

I also have the G23, but it is quite a bit uncomfortable for all-day carry in this FL heat.
I also had a G27 which I almost wish I had not sold a little while back.
I sold it because it seemd that with the +2 finger extension, was really not that much smaller than G23.
Taurus 650 .357mag for pocket carry now, but very possible that a Kahr might take it's job. (slimmer is better)



Originally posted by GirlWithGlock
I love the PM9 for the size. I got a bad PM9 the first time around but Kahr backed their product and replaced it for me. So far, I really like the new one they sent me. I still want to get some more rounds through it before I completely rely on it. (About 500 through it so far.)

This is what gives me some doubts.

What is the turnaround time for Kahr to get new/repaired pistol back in your hands?
Did you have to pay for shipping, or do they do the call tag thing?

Thanks for your feedback.

[GirlWithGlock]

Originally posted by concrete
This is what gives me some doubts.

What is the turnaround time for Kahr to get new/repaired pistol back in your hands?
Did you have to pay for shipping, or do they do the call tag thing?

Thanks for your feedback.
Well, I sent the "bad" pistol back on day 2 of owning it. Sportsman's Warehouse paid for the shipping, I believe, unless Kahr reimbursed them. Had it back within about 10 days, although they said nothing was wrong with it. Still had a lot of troubles. Spoke with Stefan (who works for Kahr, and very well could be a saint) who set everything up for me. He paid for the gun to be shipped to him overnight FedEx on Monday, and had a brand new gun (already broken in for me) in my hands on Friday. You would have NO problem dealing with Kahr if you deal with this Stefan guy. He gets stuff done quickly and REALLY cares about his customers. :)

[Candiru]

With respect to Kahr safety, I was worried about that, too, so I did
some research.

Kahrs use a striker/cam mechanism that keeps the striker under partial
tension using a cam attached to the trigger. Until the trigger is
pulled back, a piece of metal blocks the striker from falling. Should
the cam give way due to some bizarre malfunction, the partial tension in
the striker is supposedly too light to activate the primer. Finally,
there is an active striker block that is pushed out of the way right at
the point when the trigger breaks, so pulling the trigger part-way back
and letting go suddenly will not fire the gun. Any two of these
safeties can fail and the gun will still not fire unless the trigger is
pulled. Kahr's pages for their guns include the drop-test letters.

Oh yeah, almost forgot. The PM9 will carry better in the pocket due to
the plastic grips (less snaggy than the rubber and slightly thinner) and
lighter weight (it'll sag and flop less). The MK9 probably has less
felt recoil because it's heavier. Mind you, a loaded PM9 is still a
pretty solid-feeling gun.

[MtnDewd]

Originally posted by concrete
What type of problems occurred during the break-in period?
(Stovepipe, FTE, etc.)

The main problem that I had with mine during the break in period was failure to go into battery. The slide would stop maybe an eighth of an inch short of closing all the way. A gentle tap on the butt of the slide remedied the problem. It wasn't doing this every shot, or even every magazine. I would estimate out of a shooting session of say 100 rnds. it would happen maybe ten times. From what I've read on this forum, that is a pretty common problem with new PM9's. After break in, and my polishing the feed ramp to a mirror finish the failure to battery problems have ceased. Failures to eject and/or feed were negligible, and not really worth mentioning. Until it was broken in, and I polished the feed ramp, the first round in a new magazine would usually jam if I tried to load it by racking the slide. That is also apparently a common problem with new PM9's. I had no problems if I loaded by locking the slide back, then inserting the mag and releasing the slide with the slide lock lever. Now that it's broken in and I've done a polishing job on the feed ramp, I can load a round by racking the slide if I want to, although I usually just use the slide lock lever method. That's about it! If you have the patience to make it through the break in period, it's a great little pistol.

MtnDewd

[DavidinSA]

Have you considered the P9 Covert?
I am getting ready to order one.
Like you, I have asked a lot of questions on this site and got a lot of great information.
I was originally considering the PM9 but after Michigun told me about the P9 Covert, I looked into it and found it to be the choice.
The P9 has a more proven design and is only slightly longer than the PM9.
Seriously take a look at it.

David

[concrete]

Originally posted by GirlWithGlock
Mine cost me $553.00, including tax. That's with the stainless (silver) slide.

My local gun shop had a PM9 w/stainless slide and night sights for $675 out of the door.
Can you guys say "R-I-P-O-F-F!"
I guess I will have to wait for the next gun show to see if I could find it cheaper.

One more question:

Does anyone know if Kahr honors the warranty even if it is not the original owner reporting the problem?
For example, if I would happen to have a problem with a used one.

I appreciate everyone's feedback and advice thusfar.
Thanks.

[Hunting Coyotes]

Concrete,

Not only is it safe to carry one in the chamber with the PM9 (assuming you are using a proper holster)it is wise to do so. The PM9, now matter how broken in, is somewhat finicky about sling-shotting a round in the chamber upon draw. I think it has to do with the design and short barrel/slide assembly.

Bottom line...for safety sake, keep one in the chamber because you may not have the time to chamber a round in an emergency and the gun may fail to chamber it.

[concrete]

Originally posted by DavidinSA
The P9 has a more proven design and is only slightly longer than the PM9.
Seriously take a look at it.

David

Thanks, have not even considered it, since they did not have any at the gun shop.
But, if it has been proven to be more reliable than the PM9, I will consider it.
Thanks.

[CIAHitman]

Originally posted by concrete
Makes me more confident in getting a Kahr.
Still undecided between PM9 and MK9, though. [/B]

I had two later model PM9's. The first one had problems which even the production manager said had problems (I did a test of 800 rounds, which even a new recoil spring couldn't fix). They sent me a second one which was better, but was still not right. I sold it to someone who knew of the problems with it and have recently bought a MK9. I have put well over 200 rounds thru it in the last two weeks and am very pleased.
I use it as a backup gun to my duty (LEO) Glock 22. The MK9 will serve you well. The PM9 is like Vegas. You roll the dice, you take your chances.

{I'm waiting for all those guys who have PM9's to come after me now. Let me say "I'm jealous. I wish either of mine worked")
;c

[concrete]

Originally posted by CIAHitman
The MK9 will serve you well. The PM9 is like Vegas. You roll the dice, you take your chances.

{I'm waiting for all those guys who have PM9's to come after me now. Let me say "I'm jealous. I wish either of mine worked")
;c


Well that is the reasoning behind this post.
To get honest feedback/experiences with the PM9.
As you can see by the various posts before your, you are not the first to say they have encountered some sort of problem with the PM9.

I have decided that the MK9 willprobably be my choice.
Although I still have to find a P9 Covert, to see if it will fit the bill as a pocket gun, because of the longer slide and all.

I do sincerely want to thank everyone here for the abundance of information provided, as it seems it will affect the outcome of my decision.

[Michigun]

Originally posted by concrete
... I still have to find a P9 Covert, to see if it will fit the bill as a pocket gun, because of the longer slide and all.

The Covert & the PM9 are dimensionally the EXACT same except for the Covert's 0.70" longer muzzle... I actually find that the Covert's extra slide length helps (causes the grip to set a little higher in a pocket which hides it better) with pocket carry concealment. This was the main reason for me trading/selling off both of my perfectly functioning PM9’s in favor of the Covert… & my PM9’s came BEFORE my Covert!

3 other things the Covert has over the PM9:

* A longer sight plain. (quicker, more accurate fire)
* Longer barrel. (more velocity)
* A simpler, more robust & less expensive recoil assembly.

[srfl]

I'm pretty excited.....I'm picking up my P9 Covert today from On Point Firearms in St. Petersburg. (http://www.onpointfirearms.com) WOO HOO! ;a

[Michigun]

Originally posted by srfl
I'm pretty excited.....I'm picking up my P9 Covert today from On Point Firearms in St. Petersburg. (http://www.onpointfirearms.com) WOO HOO! ;a

^c

[concrete]

Originally posted by srfl
I'm pretty excited.....I'm picking up my P9 Covert today from On Point Firearms in St. Petersburg. (http://www.onpointfirearms.com) WOO HOO! ;a

Thanks for the info.
Just checked their website and the prices seem to be much more reasonable than my local gun shop.
Will have to stop by since I am across the bay in Tampa.

[concrete]

Originally posted by Michigun
3 other things the Covert has over the PM9:

* A longer sight plain. (quicker, more accurate fire)
* Longer barrel. (more velocity)
* A simpler, more robust & less expensive recoil assembly.

I have been convinced.
OK, one last question. I promise! ;f
What is a fair price range for a P9 Covert?

The place that srfl is suggesting has one listed for $412-.
Huge difference, considering I was being quoted close to $700 for PM9.

Thanks again.

[Michigun]

Originally posted by concrete
OK, one last question. I promise! ;f
What is a fair price range for a P9 Covert?

The place that srfl is suggesting has one listed for $412-. Huge difference, considering I was being quoted close to $700 for PM9.

That is the VERY best deal going for ANY P9 Covert I know of right now... it's a special deal for sure! (Don't expect to find that kind of price on a Covert anyplace else or EVER again!)

Normal price for a Covert is in the $500 to $600 range.

[concrete]

No turning back now.
I have just placed an order with Donna @ OnPoint Firearms.
A pleasantly, lovely lady to deal with.
(srfl: thanks a bunch for the great heads up!)

Onpoint will be getting all of my business from here on out.
Sorry University Gun.

Hope to have the KPS9093 as early as this Friday.

Thanks to everyone that has replied to this post with their honest feedback & willingness to help me with my decision.

Michigun, CIAHitman, DavidinSA thanks for all the P9 Covert info.

Will report back next week to let you guys know how it went for me.

[srfl]

Concrete....anytime! (I sent you a PM)

I picked up my P9 Covert today.....Donna and I chatted for about 30 minutes....sweet lady.

I used to go to University Gun & Pawn as well.....no more.

Now that I have my Covert, my CCW battery will consist of the Covert carried in a HBE Leatherworks COM "2.5" IWB holster and my (BUG) PM9 in a pocket holster when I get one. Two guns....one mag type to carry....simplifies things, no?

[tabor-pm-9]

Originally posted by concrete
I would like to hear from those Kahr club members who own/carried/shot this pistol.
Reliability issues are most important to me as opposed to accuracy, concealability, finish, etc.
Honestly, how do they compare to Glock.
Any info provided will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

Here is my story:

I purchased my PM9 because my Walther P99 was too large for me to carry comfortably durring the summer and/or in some other circumstances. I paid $539 for my PM9 without night sights. Soon I will have some Meprolights installed.

I took it to the range and I had a lot of failures to go into battery (FTBs). Maybe, 7 in the first 200 rounds. I contacted Kahr's customer service and Dottie sent me a new recoil spring and guide rod assembly (updated parts). Now my gun works great. I probably have another 300 rounds through it at this point.

I carry mine in a Fist K5 pocket holster every day and I couldn't be happier. With the exception of the Rohrbaugh R9, I concider the PM9 to be the smallest gun I would be willing to carry to defend my life. However, I still think the PM9 is better than the R9 because the PM9 can take +P ammunition and you can almost purchase two PM9s for the price of one R9.

I don't own a glock, and I am not a glock fan (I don't like the trigger), but I would say the Kahr trigger is much nicer than the glock trigger. I hate to say it (I am a DA/SA fan) but the Kahr trigger might even be nicer than my Walther P99 trigger (but still not quite as nice as a Sig).

[Michigun]

Originally posted by tabor-pm-9
I don't own a glock, and I am not a glock fan (I don't like the trigger), but I would say the Kahr trigger is much nicer than the glock trigger.

And I really wish I could shoot as good with the Kahr trigger as I do with the GLOCK trigger! ;)

[concrete]

Just got my P9 Covert today.
Will shoot it tomorrow.

Michigun, you were absolutely correct.
Perfect size for pocket carry.
I believe it will take my Taurus 650's job as primary pocket gun.
All depending on how it shoots tomorrow.

Just a few more questions.
I know, I know, I promised no more questions, but...

1> Night Sights:
I already do not like the stock sights very much.
Suggestions/Prices/Dealers?
I have Mepros on my G23 and they are great.

2> Pocket Holster:
Suggestions/Prices other than the one from Kahr store?

3> Break-In period:
The manual states 200 rounds fired.
Is this pretty accurate from your experiences?

[srfl]

Originally posted by concrete
Just got my P9 Covert today.
Will shoot it tomorrow.

(SNIP)

1> Night Sights:
I already do not like the stock sights very much.
Suggestions/Prices/Dealers?
I have Mepros on my G23 and they are great.

(SNIP)

Congrats on buying the Covert!! I fired mine on Thursday and it was love at first "shot". 80 rounds down the tube and no malfs.

You can send the slide to Kahr for NS....Meprolights, Trijicons, or Novaks. Check Kahr.com for prices. The Meprolights are the least expensive. I won a set of new (and bright) Heine Straight Eight NS on eBay....those are going on my Covert. I'm sending my PM9's slide back for Meprolights....I think they are under $60 for the set.

[concrete]

srfl: PM sent

Are installing Night Sights something that can only be done by Kahr?

Just asking because I do not think that I am going to want to be without it now for any extended period of time.

Is it possible that I might be able to find a qualified gunsmith that can install these on the P9C at the gun show in 2 weeks?

Although $60 for Night Sights sounds like a really good deal.

Guess I'll wait the 2 weeks to compare prices.

Thanks for the info.

[srfl]

Concrete:

I vaguely remember gunwriter Massad Ayoob saying, in reviewing one of the Kahr 9mm's that came out at the time, that it's best to send the slide to Kahr for night sights because they'll do it right.....I can't imagine putting on night sights on a Kahr is something so difficult that only the factory can do it though.

A local gunsmith (in the Tampa Bay area of FL) is Accurate Plating & Weaponry (www.apwcogan.com/) . They did up one of my Steyr M40's real nice (including installing a set of aftermarket night sights):

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a47/srfl/Steyr/DSCN0065.jpg

They plated the slide and (most) of the frame internals, including the mag and slide releases. I'll probably have AP&W install my Heine night sights on my Covert, but I'm going to send my PM9 slide back to Kahr for meprolights....Dottie said they will only charge me for the sights and not the labor.

[tabor-pm-9]

Originally posted by concrete
Although $60 for Night Sights sounds like a really good deal.

I have the Meprolights on my Walther P99 and I really like them. As soon as fall gets here and I can carry my Walther more comfortably I will send my slide off to Kahr to have some installed.

[concrete]

Since this is the post where I seeked most of my advice, opinions, recommendations, suggestions, etc. that helped me decide which Kahr to buy....

I will continue to post here for advice on how to handle a new issue involving my newly purchased Kahr P9 Covert.

I shot my Kahr for the first time tonight and instead of breaking it in as the manual suggests (200rds), my Kahr broke apart!

It almost damn near broke my hand in the process as well.
Lucky, no damage to face or any other body part occurred.

I purchased 2-100rd value packs of Winchester White Box made specifically for Target/Range use from the local Walmart.

115. GR Full Metal Jacket. #USA9MMVP

Everything was fine and dandy. I was loving the little pistol. Not much felt recoil, pretty accurate (shooting between 5-10yds) until the 65th rd from the 1st box.

I felt an extreme pounding in my hand, smoke came out from the gun, and the mag along with 3 other parts, (that I know of, looked around the surrounding area for a while for other possible parts) came flying out from the pistol.

OUCH!!!
Followed by shock!
Nothing like this has ever happened to me before. Ever!
My hand still stings a bit and is tender to the touch.

After evaluating what just happened, and making sure nothing bad happened to my face, I seeked out the range officer.

Slide was locked back and a badly mis-shaped casing was still lodged in the chamber.

He went ahead and pulled it out.
He was shocked just as I.
Since they only allow factory ammo onto the premises.

His synopsis was:
Could have been caused by a badly manufactured load
Or could indeed be a defective part in the pistol.

Now I ask you all, what is the first step to take in this situation?

Please Help!!

[concrete]

Side View wher part #40 Side Panel flew off of.

[concrete]

Parts that flew off.
I believe they are
#40 Side Panel
#24 Extractor
#25 Extractor Pin

[concrete]

Damaged casing and ammo box.

[concrete]

Trigger Pivot Pin has been pushed outward

[concrete]

Sorry about the quality of the pics, my digital camera is not the best when focusing in on small things.

[concrete]

P.S.

Other than the range officer pulling the damaged casing out of the chamber and closing the slide back up...

The gun is in the same state since the problem occurred.

[LGCubana]

I would really recommend starting a new thread. "My Kahr KB today"

U'll get more reads.

Definetly need a close up of the case rupturing.

But my guess; an out of battery scenario. That is the most common failure during the break in period. Were there burn/powder marks around the rear of the ejection port on the slide ?

Did U clean & lube prior to your 1st outing ? Regardless, an out of battery can still occur. Just curious.

Definetly save everything. Including the damaged brass, unspent ammo & ammo box. As U will end up needing them for your claim against Kahr.

Please keep us updated.

[concrete]

LGCubana:

Thanks for the advice.
I agree that it is best to start with a fresh new thread.

Will try to post close up pics of the case in the new thread, but not sure if my camera can focus that well.

This morning I was studying the case, and am becoming more convinced that the malfunction was due to a Winchester quality control issue.
Bad bullet?

I am not quite sure what out of battery means though.
Case not seated correctly in chamber?
Anything is possible at this point.

Yes I did field strip, and cleaned all that gunky grease that the pistol came bathed in.

I did see powder residue all over the slide.

See the new thread for more info.

Thanks again.