G30 Light Strike Problem

[VN350X10]

I'm having a problem with a G30; light hits intermittently.
The following have been done:

Complete strip & clean, including flushing out the firing pin channel. When done, the firing pin would fall freely of it's own weight.
There was crud built up on the firing pin; it was cleaned & micro polished to a mirror finish, as I have never seen this type of buildup on a striker in a Glock before.
Properly re-lubed & re-assembled, test fired & returned to the customer. Three days later, same problem.
The customer is using WOLF ammo, so I suspect that this might have something to do with the build up I've seen. The light hits happened after a range session, so this might be the clue; It has misfired for the customer with PMC also, but I feel that the gun has cruded up again.
Does anyone know of a way of measuring the force of the striker fall? The only way that I know of testing is with a rifle primer.( I know that there is a heigth difference from a pistol primer, but a modified case is easy enough to machine on the lathe to correct primer depth for test purposes)

Any & all suggestions welcome; my next step is going to be a new striker spring, after I check for crud again.

Thanks

uncle albert

[DannyR]

I suggest using quality ammo and not Wolff ammo.

[leedesert]

If the gun leaves a clean striker indentation when the channel is clean it's not the gun. Tell the shooter to quit using cheap/dirty Wolf ammo.
I also suspect he may be over lubing, such that he gets lube inside striker channel. NO LUBE should ever be in the channel. This will only keep dirt and powder in suspension in the channel. This later turns into crud.
If with a dry clean channel and good ammo it still light strikes just replace the striker spring. It's only a few bucks so why waste time with time consuming measurements.

[WalterGA]

There have been more posts here about misfires with Wolf and PMC ammo, than with all other brands, combined, with the possible exception of reloads, using WLP's.

[HiCap]

Flushing the firing pin channel is good, but did you also use a cotton swab and clean out the crud (brass schards and powder) that cakes up behind the breech face? That stuff must be manually removed and cushions the firing pin impact. Best way is to go in through the extractor area with Q-tip and clean out all the gunk at the rear of the firing pin hole.

[Clayton Hufford]

I've fired over 2000 rounds of Wolf ammo in .40 and .45, with one misfire in .40, and two in .45. All three rounds went bang on the second hit. A extra power striker spring may help, but your trigger pull may suffer as a result.

The red sealant tends to flake off and work its way into the internals. Complete disassembly after shooting 300rnds or so of Wolf is highly recommended.

I have had light hits with other ammo in my G21. I plan on installing a heavier striker.

A friend has fired over a thousand rounds of Wolf in his 1911A1, without a single failure.

Wolf 'aint Winchester, but you can't beat the price. It's worth a try.

FWIW, I spoke directly to a Wolf exec the other day, and he guaranteed that Wolf ammo will not damage or cause undue wear to any parts of your weapon. The steel case slides under the extractor just as smoothly as brass.

www.ammoman.com

[WalterGA]

"I talked to Wolf....", well gee, Clayton, what'd you expect him to say, "Oh, hell no, don't buy our ammo, it'll ruin your guns?"

Call those guys at Glock/Smyrna and Bushmaster and see what they have to say about Wolf ammo.

Comparing 1911-type strikes with striker-type strikes is comparing apples to DemocRATs. Completely different physics involved.

Oh, did I mention that I love Mobil 1??? :)

[Clayton Hufford]

Walt, what'd you expect Glock to say? They don't want you to do lots of things, like completely disassemble your pistol, shoot reloads, or install those aftermarket parts you're so fond of.

Wolf GUARANTEES their ammo, that was my point. Don't knock a product that you haven't tried, and don't compare a $6 box of ammo with a $12 box. I never said Wolf was the best, only that it works for me, so far.

Wolf worked great in a friend's 1911, meaning that the ammo itself isn't faulty, from my experiences.

I've fired lots of Wolf in three different Glocks, with good results. Considering Wolf ammo is FAR less expensive than anything else, it is worth a try.

Mobil 1 sucks as a rust preventative, period. It works great for guys not exposed to the elements, who carry their weapons from the trunk to the range table, or who want to prove to themselves that they are smarter than everyone else by using a product designed for a different mechanism entirely. Now that's apples and oranges.

Walt, you are the most condescending, know-it-all anus that I have ever interacted with. You have yet to make a single post where you weren't insulting someone, in order to put yourself on a pedestal. Stop acting like a bully.

[WalterGA]

Clayton, ol boy, I'm not a bully; I just don't agree with you on much and express such in my posts. You shouldn't take this banter seriously. I certainly don't take you seriously. Lighten up a little. You're wrong about Wolf ammo. You're wrong about Mobil 1, and you're wrong about most of the things I challenge you on. That's my opinion, and I'm entitled to it.

[JGO]

Don't forget "Oh yea?" or maybe you can each say some kind words about the other's mother.

[gsarg]

I agree whole-heartedly with Clayton's last paragraph.

[WalterGA]

Gosh, gsarg, that's really hard to understand! I've considered the source and got a good bellylaugh. I've been attacked by the All Time King of the Cheapshots! hardehardeharharhar!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[VN350X10]

O.K. gang, don't start at each other on my account!!!

The G30 in question was completely cleaned; Q-Tips, dental pic, s.s. wire brush etc...
I reassembled it myself, zero lube except the 3 tiny drops- none near the firing pin channel, clean & correct.
Next is a new striker spring & crossed fingers.

I personally suspect the Wolf ammo & may be able to prove this in testing Sat. a.m.

On the other hand, I've used P.M.C. 230gr ball as a std. test ammo in the gunsmithing dept. for several years with no problems.

Thanks for the input, & the comedy! At least we all shoot GLOCKs here.

uncle albert

[WalterGA]

I hereby retract any statements in my previous posts in this thread that in any way draw unfair attention to the mental abilities of Clayton and gsarg. I thought for sure that anybody would see that my throwing in the "I love Mobil 1" was in jest.

BTW, Clayton and gsarg: I'd have to believe that a lot of GTers would disagree with your assertions that I never contribute anything positive. On the other hand, when I see b.s., I'm inclined to point it out. (In a friendly manner, of course.) :)

[Clayton Hufford]

Walt, reread my post. I never stated that you have never contributed anything positive to the forum. You have, but you act like a jerk while doing it.

B.S. is what gets posted by someone who spends more time running off at the keyboard than he does testing the products he endorses.

The Mobil 1 thing was taken in good humor, until about the third time.

I never said that I take you seriously, but I do often take the subject being discussed seriously.

Walt, I have agreed with you on many occasions, it's not that I don't have a sense of humor, it's that I grow short on patience watching you post in such a condescending tone without anyone holding you accountable for your smart *** comments.

[WalterGA]

Clayton: We all have different styles. My sense of humor is dryer than most. I hereby apologize for any discomfort that I've caused you.

As to the Mobil 1 reference: The last post was in jest, all the others were based on my vast experience in using Mobil 1, as well as some of the other gun "specialty" lubricants that you recommend. Militec-1, for example, was not designed to be used in guns; it was designed as a, guess what, crankcase additive.

Many of us use Mobil 1, in very small quantities, for lubing our guns. The lubrication requirements for my AR are much higher than the lubrication requirements for my Glocks; however, I find my AR operating extremely smoothly and easy to clean, using Mobil 1 as its only lubricant. Never have any corrosion or rust. The additives in Mobil 1 break down carbon and keep it in suspension.

Per another post of mine, another GTer did an extensive rust test, using bare carbon steel, testing various "gun" oils and Mobil 1. Contrary to your extensive "tests", he found that Mobil 1 protected against rust better than anything else that he tested.

You and I will rarely agree on much, it seems. So what? Neither of my ex-wives agreed with me on much either, and see what it got them?

[Clayton Hufford]

Militec-1, being an automotive product, is a lousy rust preventative. I have "tested" it, and I would never recommend it for anything. Their customer service is good, though :) .

You keep referring to this "test" conducted by some unnamed person, with no info to provide us.

All I have to go by are my own tests, done on real guns and gun parts, as well as years of gathering data from manufacturers and testing firms, and comparing the results. I have also interacted with many others here and on the other forums, and I learn more each time.

As I always say to others when discussing these products, don't take my word for it, test them yourself, and test them before you rely on them under extreme conditions. You may be unpleasently surprised :) .

As I said about Wolf ammo, "It's worth a try." I didn't say it was the best stuff out there, just that it works for me, and it's dirt cheap. I actually prefer and recommend Winchester USA.

I just want to provide a baseline of what works, in order to keep others from wasting time and money on junk. I never recommend just one product, but several in order to allow for personal differences. As Clint Smith states, "We're all the same but different."

[gsarg]

WalterGA: Once again, you confuse the point(s). Your posts in many different threads sarcasticly belittle the opinions of OTHERS, while YOUR opinions are implied as fact. That's why YOU are the official Glock guru; the man that Gaston himself consults when he needs to know the right answer to questions. (I took a page out of your sarcastic way of posting) :)

[WalterGA]

I never imply that my opinions are fact; however, if a GTer infers from my posts that my opinions are also facts, then that just speaks well of the Gter drawing the aforementioned inference. :)

Opinions are just opinions. It is, however, a fact that I live in S. GA, which is hot and humid. I've used Mobil 1, exclusively , for some time now, with no corrosion or rust problems. I can't imagine any lubricity requirements that my guns would demand that would be greater than the lubricity requirements of a 15,000+rpm racing engine. My Glocks don't peen. My AR never fails. That's fact, not opinion.

I don't know the GT name of the guy who did the rust tests. I don't have any motivation to produce anything, as I don't need to convince myself of the superiority of Mobil 1, compared to most lubricants. If and when I begin to detect rust on any of my guns, maybe I'll use that large bottle of Breakfree LP that's sitting on my mantle.

I'll make a special effort to avoid the type of humor and sarcasm that seems to offend a few here and there.

BTW, are you guys familiar with Paxil? :)

[VN350X10]

O.K. ... GUYS... PLAY NICE....

Since I don't see a location given for either Clayton Hufford or gsarg, & since Walt is from GA, mabye we have here a renewed interest in the war between the states; I refuse to call it the c***l war, because there is no such thing.

Anyhow, getting back to my original post, the culprit seems to be the Wolf ammo. Only about 50 rds. fired since the cleaning, & the crap & crud is back around the firing pin. Now if I can get the owner to quit using it, & our gunshop owner to quit pushing it, all will be well .

uncle albert

[tjpet]

Wolf .45 seems to have very hard primers. All 1911s set it off well. In fact, most any exposed hammer type pistol ignites it OK. Used in Glocks it's a different story. Either need a heavier striker spring or don't use at all.

[billcameron]

I get extremely light hits in my 30 with GI ball. Has always fired however. I don't use 30 much, but if I were carrying for protection would consider heavier spring.

[tcfd64]

I just can't believe all of you guys that pay out hard earned $ for the corvette of pistols and put the cheapest grade of crap you can find through it. To those of us that reload Wolf is expensive because of the crappy steel cases. If you want your Glock to run right put it on a strict diet of healthy ammo.


911=todays version of dial-a-prayer

[VN350X10]

tcfd64,
If you read my origional post fully, you'd note that this is a customers pistol, not mine. Much to the dismay of the shop OWNER, I tell people that I refuse to shoot Wolf in my own pistols, but that is the best ammo avaliable for an AK47 or a SKS, which it is. They are designed for the steel cases.

uncle albert

[tcfd64]

Well sir if you read my post correctly you should have noticed it was not pointed directly at YOU!! I have seen this problem at the range many times. Stripped and cleaned the guys gun, loaded it with Speer = no prob, tried Win.= no prob, my reloads= no prob. It's not real hard to figure out the cause of the problem. My suggestion is to try feeding it something worthy of being fired in a Glock ! ( Note: Glock is not related to AK for those that did not know.);C

[dengel]

and .... In one box of PMC 230 gr crap I had 2 light primer strikes. Not too sure why, winchester (any flavor including rangers) - no prob. The gun is less than a month brand new and only has 400 rounds thru it. Cleaned, no crud inthe firing pin channel, not a mag problem and I wouldnt even dream of putting Wolf thur there.

Any ideas? Or is it just a particular preference for ammo that my 30 has?

[CCV]

Sounds like an ammo failure to me.

[X ring only]

Let me start by saying I don't buy any manufacturer's ammo,all I buy is components,so I don't have an opinion and therefore can't be offended. What I have found,with my G21, is that primer brand is critical. All primers are not created equal. CCI large pistol primers are the hardest I have found and will cause this problem,no fault of the weapon, just tough primers. WW, Fed., Rem., primers appear to be much softer, and work flawlessly. If one brand is having this firing problem, a simple switch to another brand should solve the problem

LET'S TURN AFGHANISTAN INTO A SELF-ILLUMINATING GLASS PARKING LOT

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[Flexmoney]

Hi.

I think the striker portion of the firing pin is too short in the large framed Glocks...causing them not to ignite hard, tough, primered ammo.

Bye.

[VN350X10]

Thanks, Flexmoney. I never even considered that possibility!

Update here:

1)uncle albert QUIT the gunshop on 12-26-01, as did the entire staff!

2)The owner finally quit pushing Wolf ammo after many failures in his rental guns!

3) Shop has been SOLD New owners coming in on 6-5-02

4) If new owners aren't s*******s, uncle albert might go back to work there. There's no Glock mechanic in town at this time!

5) I STILL REFUSE TO USE WOLF AMMO IN MY OWN GUNS !!!!!!!!!!!
(not really an update, just statement of fact)

uncle albert;b ;c ;b

[Flexmoney]

Just a theory.

[stimpsonjcat]

I get light primer strikes in my G21 fairly often using the GI surplus (1942 mostly) ammo I practice with.

Usually goes bang second time.

Haven't had any problems with CCI or Winchester LP primers yet.

I'll take a look at the Fp tip...but I'll bet Flexmoney is spot on.

[Washington,D.C.]

Originally posted by WalterGA
I never imply that my opinions are fact; however, if a GTer infers from my posts that my opinions are also facts, then that just speaks well of the Gter drawing the aforementioned inference. :)

Opinions are just opinions. It is, however, a fact that I live in S. GA, which is hot and humid. I've used Mobil 1, exclusively , for some time now, with no corrosion or rust problems. I can't imagine any lubricity requirements that my guns would demand that would be greater than the lubricity requirements of a 15,000+rpm racing engine. My Glocks don't peen. My AR never fails. That's fact, not opinion.

I don't know the GT name of the guy who did the rust tests. I don't have any motivation to produce anything, as I don't need to convince myself of the superiority of Mobil 1, compared to most lubricants. If and when I begin to detect rust on any of my guns, maybe I'll use that large bottle of Breakfree LP that's sitting on my mantle.

I'll make a special effort to avoid the type of humor and sarcasm that seems to offend a few here and there.

BTW, are you guys familiar with Paxil? :) ^c