wouldnt the 357 sig be a good rifle round?

[sneakyracer]

wouldnt the 357 sig be a good rifle round?

Id think so, loads achieving over 2000 fps shouldnt be uncommon out of 16-20in barrels.

Are any 357sig rifle available?

[SDGlock23]

Not that I'm aware of, although a .357 Mag lever gun will get ya there.

[davesglock30]

that's funny because just the other day i was drooling over the thought of an MP5 in 357sig. MMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[DeadMansLife]

An MP5 in 357Sig would be nicebut I'd rather have it in 9mm so I can afford to shoot it.

[sneakyracer]

Originally posted by DeadMansLife
An MP5 in 357Sig would be nicebut I'd rather have it in 9mm so I can afford to shoot it.

Yeah but can you imagine the effectiveness of the 357 sig round vs the 9mm!?? a 100-115 bullet going 2000fps+ has to be devastating against many types of targets.

I mean, Federal's 125 gr. 357mag, Clasic "Hi shok" load goes over 2100 FPS from a 16in barrel. Thats at least as powerful as a .223 IIRC

[euclid]

Hmmm...sounds a lot like the ballistics from the venerable PPSH.

[MPG1737]

How about a Berretta Storm chambered in .38 Cassull? ;f ;a

[PaleGreenHorse]

Anything chambered in a .38 casull is a fantastic idea. The few platforms out there chambered for it are way too expensive for my taste, but the round has so much potential it makes me sick that its still wild. I'd like a carbine in 357sig and 10mm please, and not a hi-point!. ;f

[BPD07]

KKF is making AR-15s in 357sig I think he was reporting around 1700 fps w/16" but don't know which loads. Would love to try Double tap in one.

[Rusty Phillips]

a 357 sig rifle would be neat
as would a 10mm rifle,
and Im sure a lot of people would buy one,
but I wouldn't

sorry to be a wet blanket on this but IMO the 223AR (that I have) or a 7.62x39AK (that I dont have) can do anything the 357S or 10mm carbines can do, can do it better, and can do it for a lot less $$$$

Im just not very enthralled with the "same ammo for rifle and pistol" idea

[amd65]

What do you mean, "not a Hipoint"--My hipoint 9mm carbine has been one of the best firearms I have owned in thirty years of shooting, and one of the cheapest. It is the only 9mm I own anymore, and the only reason I would sell it would be to buy the new 40 s&w version. If it came out in 357sig it would be awsome!

[PaleGreenHorse]

Your experience with Hi-point may vary from mine, but i've had nothing but trouble with the companies products. Im all for others wanting them, because if you like them great, but my preference is something in a Beretta or Keltec carbine.

[amd65]

Well, of course you have to go by your own experience, but in the case of the 9mm carbine--I have shot about 1000 rounds thru mine now. half were cheap umc's and half were plus p, or plus p plus. Not one failure to feed or fire. At 50 yards it shoots groups the size of a bottle cap using the cheap BSA red dot I put on it. The last time I had it at the range, I shot fifty rounds of cheap ammo at a sillouette target at 100 yards off hand standing firing rapid 3-shot bursts as fast as I could pull the trigger. That target was riddled.
When all my other firearms are locked up and put away in the safe, my Hipoint carbine is handy in the closet with a couple 10 shot mags of gold dot 124 jhp plus p. I wouldn't hesitate to grab it in an emergency-
I also know two other folks personally who own the same carbine and absolutely love it. As I said, the only reason I would sell it would be to buy the 40 version.
By the way, I only paid $139.00 for it three years ago.

[Washington,D.C.]

I converted my Uzi to 357 Sig.I used a 45 ACP bolt with a 9mm extractor.I reamed an aftermarket 9mm Uzi barrel(no chrome bore) to 357 Sig.I use Uzi 9mm magazines.They work extremely well.Better than the 41 Action Express mags I first tried.The 45 bolt with a 9mm extractor is perfect for 357 Sig and 40 S&W.

[G33]

I have played on both sides of this issue.
Understand that I have ARs in .223 and 10mm.

Had the 9mm Marlin when I had the Smith M6906.
That was neat because the mags fit both.

Later had the .45 Marlin and a Smith M4567.
Mags did not swap; Marlin use 1911 mags.
So not so neat.

Have a Kel-Tec in 9mm and it uses Glock mags.
So this works for my 9mm Glocks.

If I were to get a .357 Sig carbine, I would want it either in the Kel-tec format or as a top to an AR I already have.

Yes, I have a .41 Marlin and bunch of .41 handguns.

;f

[Alaskapopo]

Pistol caliber carbines are a waste. They are weak and underpowered compared to real rifles and have over penetration risks for home defense compared to 223 carbines. We carry pistols because they are convienent not because they are accurate fight stoppers. When we know were going to a fight we take long guns. There is no sense using a longgun in a underpowered handgun caliber.
Pat

[amd65]

That is certainly your opinion. In my suburban self-defence situation, a weapon capable of delivering accurate fire out to 50 yards using 9mm hollowpoints fills a definite tactical niche.
If I want to carry a "rifle", it will be 7.62x39 or 308, both overkill along with your 223 in the suburbs.
Since my handgun is a Glock 23 shooting Doubletap's 165 gold dots, I should be concerned about overpenetration from a 9mm carbine?
Just because something dosn't work in YOUR situation has absolutely no bearing on MY situation.

[Ghast]

It's just my opinion, but I'm a little suprised that you used "suburban self-defense" and "out to 50 yards" in the same thought. What kind of self-defense requires shooting someone who's 150 feet away from you?

[Ford302Glock21]

I had a big long debate about the purpose of pistol caliber carbines and I came to the conclusion that for some circumstances a pistol carbine would be tactically superior being able to send any pistol round with excellent accuracy and a few more hundred feet per sec velocity for a bit more power. Theres no denial that it can come in handy for someone at some point. But since I bought a .223 AR last week I guess that gives my opinion.

As far as a 357 SIG carbine...its nice to say it when you have a 357 SIG pistol and you wanna be on the SIG bandwagon but it would be a poor idea. Sig ammo costs a fortune, and its whole purpose is to come close to the real 357 Magnum in its low recoil 125 grain loading while fitting in a small autopistol. It cannot match a 357 Magnum in power. They already make 357 Magnum carbines, and 357 Mag ammo is available everywhere, and should be cheaper. I'm not talking out of my @#$ I'm just stating facts that I've found from research and other discussions. 9mm carbines are nice because 9mm is way cheap, 45 carbines put a larger hole, everything else is kinda pointless unless it makes more power, like the 10mm or 357 MAG + 44 MAG.

[Alaskapopo]

Originally posted by Ghast
It's just my opinion, but I'm a little suprised that you used "suburban self-defense" and "out to 50 yards" in the same thought. What kind of self-defense requires shooting someone who's 150 feet away from you?

If someone is shooting at you from 150 feet then its self defense. I know of a fair number of shootings that have occurred well over 25 yards. Some even at 100. Its not the norm but it does happen. The main problem with pistol caliber carbines is not just range its power. A 357 sig, 45 acp and other pistol rounds pale in comparision to the stopping power of a 223 carbine. That combined with the fact pistol ammo penetrates more in building materials (homes) than 223 soft and hollow points makes pistol caliber carbines a poor choice indeed no matter who you are.
Pat

[Tommy Vercetti]

Originally posted by 355sigfan
If someone is shooting at you from 150 feet then its self defense. I know of a fair number of shootings that have occurred well over 25 yards. Some even at 100. Its not the norm but it does happen. The main problem with pistol caliber carbines is not just range its power. A 357 sig, 45 acp and other pistol rounds pale in comparision to the stopping power of a 223 carbine. That combined with the fact pistol ammo penetrates more in building materials (homes) than 223 soft and hollow points makes pistol caliber carbines a poor choice indeed no matter who you are.
Pat

I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. I feel a .357Sig carbine would at the very least be fun as hell to shoot. As far as home defense goes neither my FN FAL nor any of my pistols are my first choice, that's what my Benelli M3 is for. I really don't have much use for .223 as I'm not an AR fan, however, if Steyr decides to build AUGs in the US I'll be all over it. I already have to stock too many different types of ammo as it is, so in terms of economics a .357Sig Carbine wouldn't add to my already long ammo shopping list. Since a .357Sig carbine doesn't even exist yet, seems a bit ridiculous to bash the idea before even having had the chance to go out and shoot one. No hard feelings here just my humble opinion.

:) ;c

[Ghast]

If someone is shooting at you from 150 feet then its self defense. I know of a fair number of shootings that have occurred well over 25 yards. Some even at 100. Its not the norm but it does happen. The main problem with pistol caliber carbines is not just range its power. A 357 sig, 45 acp and other pistol rounds pale in comparision to the stopping power of a 223 carbine. That combined with the fact pistol ammo penetrates more in building materials (homes) than 223 soft and hollow points makes pistol caliber carbines a poor choice indeed no matter who you are.

My comments related to the particular situation amd65 brought up.
In a suburban setting if someone is shoooting at me from half a block away, I'm not going to return fire, I'm going to go inside the house and call the cops. This isn't a movie, I'm not going to exchange mid-range gunfire in a neighborhood. Plus, you don't cc a carbine, so most likely you'd be leaving the incident to retrive it and returning so you could shoot back.

No thanks, I dislike jail to much for that.

[amd65]

The capability to shoot 50 yards does not convey the intention to shoot 50 yards.
If I use my glock 23 with it's 357sig barrel and doubletap 125 gold dots, again, why should I worry about the overpenetration of the 9mm carbine? Particularly when the 9mm shoots with pinpoint accuracy?
My neighborhood is a safe, quiet one. Even so, I had an incident where an individual wanted for armed robbery drove over stop sticks, got away, and ended up with two flat tires 50 yards from my house. I called the police, who responded lackadaisicaly (auxiliary). The suspect hid in bushes and got away. I told the responding officer where the suspect was hiding, and the officer stood with his back to the area for five minutes looking at the abandoned car.

[Coffindodger!]

357Sigs use some pretty fast burning powders these days for the 4" and shorter guns they're fired out of. I kinda doubt you'll see .357 levergun velocity from a 125gr. .357SIG out of an MP5 style weapon that even has a longer (legal non-tax stamp) 16" barrel than the standard 9" barrel.

Besides, if you're already weilding around a 16" barrel, you'll be much better off with an AR.

Don't get me wrong, I still think it's an interesting idea though. A 9" barrel should get some decent velocity figures though. Nothing to sneeze at.