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Kinda off topic for this forum - does anybody know anything about this pistol. Makarov.com has some for sale and it looked like a nice compact .32ACP pocket pistol (and, being ex-Eastern Bloc likley built like a tank).
Teakwood
08-08-2005, 19:47
I bought one thinking it would be cool. I should have spent the money on 9x18 ammo instead.
They are single action.
They are loosely based on similar SA pistols from the early 20th century.
Spare mag are hard to find. Some spare parts can be had from Canada.
Disassembly info is hard to find.
They are suprisingly heavy for their size.
They only have a single simple safety.
Mine is not all that accurate.
Thanks man - you just saved me some money I can spend on more Silver Bear ;f.
On the other - maybe another Mak is in order, before the price goes up - grin.
uhlawpup
08-09-2005, 07:03
Actually, I got one from SOG and like it! The finish is not nearly as nice as the Makarov.com ones, but it goes bang every time. I use it to take friends shooting who have never shot before, as the recoil is a bit lighter than my other guns.
The .32acp round is not to be sneezed at, and the gun itself is based loosely on the Russian-designed Tokarev, which means the entire hammer assembly simply drops out on field strip, making cleaning and lubricating a breeze.
Uh-oh! Now I'm starting to think about this gun again! I think SOG had one listed for $ 100 - tough to go wrong at that level, even after throwing in the FFL expenditure.
I might think of it as a Soviet bloc SNS!
I agree that the .32ACP is nothing to sneeze at. I mean, heck, I carry a Kel-Tec P-32 and don't fell at a disadvantage. The Z sure looks robust!
FergiSan
09-30-2005, 20:42
Don't know if this is still an issue (I've been a lurker mostly, and absent from this forum for quite some time anyway), but I bought three of them from SOG, when they were still at around $150. I gave one to my father, and one to my wife (for a car gun), and I LOVE shooting mine. It is reasonably accurate, comfortable to hold and shoot, and fires a plenty potent round (look at how many people were killed with .32 caliber weapons in the 20th century). Plus, it is kind of a neat addition to an Eastern Bloc collection.
Cool! For the price I might pick one up afterall!
muscogee
10-18-2005, 22:20
I wanted one until I saw one at a gun show. It was about the size of a .380 and the finish was scratched and worn.
criticalbass
10-25-2005, 22:44
I have two of these. They are good shooters. There is a .380 barrel supposedly available that just drops in, but a lot of searching has turned up none. More interesting to me is the possibility of getting a barrel chambered for .32NAA ammo. The folks at makarov.com are working on this in conjunction with the barrel maker now building some .32NAA barrels for Makarov pistols. It may also be doable by rechambering the .32 barrel if one could find the appropriate reamers.
I do have a makarov converted to that round, and it is most impressive. In Extreme Shock ammo, we are looking at 400+ foot pounds of muzzle energy form a .32, though the shorter Zastava barrel might not go that high.
These little guns are very concealable, well made, reliable, and nice looking. CB
Teakwood
10-25-2005, 23:44
More is needed than just the .380 barrel. The breach face also needs to be changed to convert to .380.
Also, the source for the barrels was to be Marstar from Canada. However, the ATF put the cabash on importation of milsurp gunparts some months back.
Not to criticize CB's opinion, but I thought the Zastava was a waste of time and money.
Originally posted by Teakwood
More is needed than just the .380 barrel. The breach face also needs to be changed to convert to .380.
Also, the source for the barrels was to be Marstar from Canada. However, the ATF put the cabash on importation of milsurp gunparts some months back.
Not to criticize CB's opinion, but I thought the Zastava was a waste of time and money.
It's an interesting piece of Cold War history and would make a nice conversation piece or dinner jacket gun.
uhlawpup
11-01-2005, 10:23
It's way too heavy for a dinner jacket gun...
Revenuer
11-17-2005, 13:04
Something about these appeal to me, not sure what. I've had several opportunities to buy these at shows and have so far resisited. I like the TT33, perhaps it's similarity is what attracts my interest. I'm no fan of the 7.65 however.
uhlawpup
11-17-2005, 15:47
Originally posted by Revenuer
Something about these appeal to me, not sure what. I've had several opportunities to buy these at shows and have so far resisited. I like the TT33, perhaps it's similarity is what attracts my interest. I'm no fan of the 7.65 however.
Keep in mind that "Tokarev-like" doesn't mean exactly like the Tokarev.
For example, the Tok has a half-cock position that can be used as a safety. This gun doesn't, and I would never trust the safety that's on it to carry it cocked and locked.
If I had no other gun to carry, or was in a situation in which I would probably have to give up the gun, I'd carry it. It has plenty of power to defend.
Other than that, it's just fun to shoot. And, while the Kel-Tec may have a problem with the harder primers on European .32 ammo, this gun ate all the FN ammo I could feed it without a single failure.
For what its worth, I ordered one for $ 99 from SOG - should be in tomorrow I hope in time for a weekend shoot.
How tough is it to strip and clean? Thats the routine you should go to before firing any new aquisition.
The thing that drew me to it, was its all steel construction and 3 1/2" bbl. I figured it would be tough enough to fire some Cor-Bon frequently and the hot Fiocci all the time. Fiocci is cheap enough that more than a few rounds will go down range ;f
Its a single action - and really the only way to carry a SA in a self-defense role is cocked and locked. But you suggest the safety is too cheesy for c&l.
That complicates things a bit. Do you think there is any reason to carry it in a SD role? Accuracy? Reliability? For small guns, I have a P-32/Mak/SP101 - all fine guns in the small CCW role. Any reason the Z 70 could compete with them?
uhlawpup
11-17-2005, 21:30
It's frighteningly simple, 50 cent...almost intuitive.
I just depress the pin holding the barrel bushing in, and turn the bushing to relieve pressure on the spring. I take off the bushing, remove the slide release, and the slide comes right off the frame.
Once you've done that, you'll see how to get the barrel out. The neat part is that the hammer mechanism also lifts out of the frame.
If you've ever taken either a 1911 or a Tokarev apart, you'll have no trouble at all.
Let us know how it turns out...
With other lighter and more "comforting" guns available, I can't see you wanting to carry something this heavy in that caliber for self defense, but I would have no trouble doing so if I thought I needed it. I'd just have to rack the slide before I could fire, which is not a bother to me. As Wyatt Earp said, accuracy is so much more important than speed (or words to that effect).
Just picked the Z 70 up, will strip and clean it tonight, then pump 100 rds downrange tommorrow.
For $ 99 how can you go wrong :>
criticalbass
11-20-2005, 18:30
If you decide to disassemble the hammer group, take several pictures from several angles, do it in a clear plastic bag, and plan to be there a while. It isn't intuitive or friendly. Bag trick goes for removing the firing pin too. It's friendlier, but there is one little piece that can fly far and fast. Marstar has new ones, and it's a good thing. CB
Yeah, the whole hammer unit dropped out and I had the damndest time figuring out how to get it back in! In fact, I almsot think I re-assembled it by accident.
I mean, it still works, but it was kinda funny putting it back together again. Getting the rest of it apart/back together was no worse than my 1911's.
criticalbass
11-21-2005, 18:13
50 cent, I was talking about disassembling the package that "dropped out." It's a sort of box that has has hammer, hammer spring, sear, flat spring, etc. I recommend that you do not take it apart. CB
....trust me, after fiddling with the damn hammer assembly box to get it back into the gun, I have no great ambitions to dissassemble THAT ;f
...and was favourably impressed. Granted 100 rds (a mix of Cor-Bon and plain ball) isn't exactly a torture test, but nojams/FTF/FTE or pproblems of any type.
Daubed some fluoresent model pain from Testors on the front sight and accuracy is fine for typical SD ranges (3-7 yds) - certainly groups better than my P-32. I think the weight of this pistol adds to accuracy as its almost like firing .22
All in all, not bad for $ 99 ;f
uhlawpup
11-23-2005, 06:49
See? I told you it was fun to shoot!
I've still got a lot of that FN police .32 ammo, and, since we get off early today, I just might take mine to the range.
Happy Thanksgiving, all!
...here's a pic. Also posted one on the Saturday Night Special Forum. At $ 99, I think it qualifies (even though it seems better made and solidly reliable).
Its got some wear on it and scratches. Not an outrageous amount, but it was sure carried and used and didn't gather dust in some safe. Hopefully it didn't execute any civilians in the recent unpleasantness over there ;P
criticalbass
11-28-2005, 21:44
I think this came from the manufacturer's site, but am not sure. I snagged it from someone's post on Gunboards a while back.
I have carried one of mine a few times. Hammer down, safety on. Opinions? CB
criticalbass
12-03-2005, 13:34
Thank Teakwood for these. Saved my anatomy. CB
http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=76473&SearchTerms=zastava
<edit> The thread is so old that not all of the pictures still display, but the ones remaining and the text should still be quite helpful. CB
I got one of these just after I got my Mak. Saw it up at Cheaper Than Dirt one night for a good price (under $100) and decided it was worth looking into. I couldn't find much information on it but decided it would be worth having. It is! I have enjoyed it thoroughly.
I have not been able to locate any spare mags for it though. Anyone know where I can get one?
:cool:
REAL good question - emailed Zastava in Serbia and they said one of their distributors might have them - but checked their website and no luck.
Makarov.com replied to my email saying they should be getting some in - but didn't give any timing to it.
So far that has been the only downside to this pistol - I really like it. But for CCW or range work I really need 2 mags.
The post above solved any qualms I had about cleaning it, but I'd feel more comfortable having at least ONE spare mag!!
Oh well, mayve thats the drawback of woning a Saturday Night Special
;f
aaronrkelly
12-19-2005, 05:43
**I HAVE A PLACE TO ORDER PARTS AND SPARE MAGS**
Im just happy I found this as I am also getting ready to order one of these little pea shooters.
http://www.marstar.ca/crvzas67s.htm
Dude you are a lifesaver! I just ordered two Z-70 mags. I'll let ya know how it turns out.
At $ 20 CDN ($ 16 US?) plus shippinjg and handling, seems reasonable.
aaronrkelly
12-19-2005, 21:25
Originally posted by 50 Cent
Dude you are a lifesaver! I just ordered two Z-70 mags. I'll let ya know how it turns out.
At $ 20 CDN ($ 16 US?) plus shippinjg and handling, seems reasonable.
Glad I could help, I was looking at one of these myself and was thinking of ordering some of the most broken parts from that site to have on hand.......
the price seems reasonable, especially since these arent just setting at every gun store on the corner...
Revenuer
12-19-2005, 22:04
I don't want to piss in anyone's Wheaties, but with Marstar, don't count your chickens before they hatch. I've tried ordering from them twice and have yet to be successful. My take (and it's only my take) is they like to list product they don't have and hope they receive it in time to ship.
Do follow up here if/when you receive your Zastava items. Or not.
Teakwood
12-20-2005, 01:32
I, too, have an ax to grind with Marstar's. Last year I tried to order Zastava mags and a .380 barrel from them. They took my order and never said anymore. 2 weeks later I called them to ask about the order. They claimed that they had tried to contact me (yeah, right) in that they no longer had the items in stock.
I think that they just do not want to sell any gun parts to Americans.
My 2c.
aaronrkelly
12-20-2005, 03:05
Originally posted by Teakwood
I, too, have an ax to grind with Marstar's. Last year I tried to order Zastava mags and a .380 barrel from them. They took my order and never said anymore. 2 weeks later I called them to ask about the order. They claimed that they had tried to contact me (yeah, right) in that they no longer had the items in stock.
I think that they just do not want to sell any gun parts to Americans.
My 2c.
Nooooooooo, **** - back on the search for parts and mags then.
Damn Canadians but they do make good pizza toppings - hmmm, canadian bacon.
Got the email from them (24 hrs after placing the order) stating mags are out of stock.
Guess I'll have to keep looking.
aaronrkelly
12-22-2005, 07:17
Mine came in from SOG today - after a bad experience I didnt really want to order from them but everyone else was wanting $150+ for one so I gave SOG a go again.
Im not disappointed this time. Gun isnt flawless but its in damn nice shape. The barrel looks virgin. The only flaw I see in the whole gun is some minor finish blems on the outside.
Hmmm, I have always wanted a Colt Pocket but funds dont allow for it right now.......guess I will just call this my Commie Colt Pocket.
Havent shot it yet but I took it apart and cleaned it up. Comes apart easy, goes back together easy. I actually love the idea of the hammer sub-assembly - makes cleaning the bare frame rather easy. The grips come off very oddly, not really a bad design but odd. I think I found about a quart of oil under them.
Trigger sucks......you can actually see the whole hammer assembly move before the hammer falls - maybe that will lighten up with some firing.
Will be running some cheapy Remington Wal-Mart cheapy thru it today - this might be my glovebox gun if it works out. Could be hidden easily in a day planner....
If it goes bang you cant go wrong for $100.....
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