Best hybrid (45 super, 400. corbon) for bear

[Dychen]

Ya ya ya, i know its been hashed to death on a bunch of threads, ya i know a 44 mag is better, but out of my guns I have a G30 and a G19. I was going to get a 10mm but i managed to pick up a G30 with less then 50 rounds put though it for 400 bucks and couldnt turn it down.

Now i know here in a few i can get a conversion barrel for 165 bucks and shoot the 10mm, but from what i've been reading i can just get a differant spring and shoot the 45 super. Seems like the 400 cor-bon produces the same power as the 10mm but is easier on the gun. I dont reload, so it has to be factory avaible. I'm not going to be shooting these rounds alot, probably just enough to get a feel for it. Other then that i'll be shooting the cheapest fodder i can find (my g/f feel alot more confident with the G19 so thats the home defense gun). Any ideas/thoughts would be very helpful. Thanks

[SlipSquad]

Originally posted by Dychen
Ya ya ya, i know its been hashed to death on a bunch of threads, ya i know a 44 mag is better, but out of my guns I have a G30 and a G19. I was going to get a 10mm but i managed to pick up a G30 with less then 50 rounds put though it for 400 bucks and couldnt turn it down.

Now i know here in a few i can get a conversion barrel for 165 bucks and shoot the 10mm, but from what i've been reading i can just get a differant spring and shoot the 45 super. Seems like the 400 cor-bon produces the same power as the 10mm but is easier on the gun. I dont reload, so it has to be factory avaible. I'm not going to be shooting these rounds alot, probably just enough to get a feel for it. Other then that i'll be shooting the cheapest fodder i can find (my g/f feel alot more confident with the G19 so thats the home defense gun). Any ideas/thoughts would be very helpful. Thanks

Good question I ask the same thing. We have a big bear problem in Alaska.

[MBR]

.45 Super or just some Double Tap 45ACP. Oh ya, and a .44 Mag.

[Dychen]

Oh if i lived in alaska i'd just carry my 12 gauge or something big. In california we only got little brown bears and black bears. Probably the worse thing we gotta worry about is mountain lions.

[Ghast]

+1 on the .45 Super or Double Tap 45ACP. It's my understanding that with big fangy critters the more bullet weight the better. To a point of course.

I have no experience with the 400 cor-bon, but from what I've read they don't like heaver bullets(175+ grs.)and the short neck leaves somthing to be desired for bullet retention. As to how the 400 cor-bon compares to the 10mm, even cor-bon seems confused, I lifted the following of their site. I'm posting the full paragraphs lest I be accused of taking somthing out of context.

Q: Just what is the 400 CorBon anyway?
A: The 400 CorBon is a .45ACP necked down to .40 caliber (10 mm). Most any .45ACP can be easily converted to the the 400 CorBon with a simple barrel change. You can use the same magazine, rails and springs. And your gun can be just as easily converted back to the original .45ACP. Performance of the 400 CorBon exceeds the 10mm or 357 Magnum.

The 400 CorBon is the brain child of bullet maker Peter Pi. While the 400 CorBon wasn’t developed to be a hunting cartridge, it does a good job as a backup gun or side arm against small and medium game. Performance is in the ballpark of the lighter loads in 357 Magnum or 10mm. CorBon loads a 165gr Bonded hollowpoint bullet that goes out there starting at about 1330 fps. This bullet is considered to be a controlled expansion bullet that opens to give good shocking power and yet maintains its weight to allow the energy to give adequate penetration on a variety of game.

I personally think cor-bon downloads their 10mm to make the caliber with their name on it look better.

[Glock Influence]

Originally posted by Dychen
Oh if i lived in alaska i'd just carry my 12 gauge or something big. In california we only got little brown bears and black bears. Probably the worse thing we gotta worry about is mountain lions.

+1 about the 12 gauge in alaska but not about the little brown/black bear part. I have seen my pick of some huge brown bears and some pretty good size black bears which I still would never want to mess with. Brown bears get to like 800 pounds. Yes thats about half what a grizzly can weigh but still. 800 lbs is a lot more than any human being and the thing wouldnt go down with out a fight just like the grizzly if in battle. But of course thats if you manage to piss it off somehow or its stalking you for dinner " which is rare "

+1 about the lions too. Those things are scary.

[SDGlock23]

Hate to burst anyones bubble, but the .400 Corbon isn't anything special. Not only is it NOT as powerful as a 10mm and .357, but it can't do anything a .40 S&W can't , seriously.

Of the two, the .45 SUPER would be a far more effective choice. 230's @ 1200 fps, 255's @ 1100 fps.

[Dychen]

Thank you all for the pointers on my options, sounds like the 45 Super is the ticket. My question is about this caliber, all i'm going to need for my G30 is a differant spring right? Also, who would you recommend buying ammo from, i've looked around a little bit on the net but really havent found much for this caliber. Thanks again for the help, feeling alot better about going with the 30 over the 29.

[Ghast]

You can get 45 super from Texas Ammunition Company (http://www.texas-ammo.com), perhaps others, I don't know.

The numbers SDGlock23 quoted seem to be for 45 super express, and you only get them from a six inch barrel. If not maybe he can tell you who loads them that fast.

good luck

[SDGlock23]

The thing about that data is that it's all hand loaded ammo. I'm not really sure of what barrel lenghts these numbers are out of, but more info can be had over on 1911forum.com under the reloading section.

Dychen, yes all you need is to upgrade your spring if you want to shoot .45 Super. I'm sure you have, but read the sticky up top about .45 Super.

[Glock Influence]

Not to get you to walk away from the idea of 45 super but if it were me I would just stick with 45acp. If there is a time where you come in contact with a bear or other creatures I would want my glock "which ever caliber" to work perfectly and what it was designed to fire. Not saying it cant be done reliably when its moddified but I would rather have the gun do what it was meant too, specially at the moment in time where it could save your life.

just my 2 cents

[Washington,D.C.]

400 Corbon doesn't work well with heavy bullets.Corbon recommends bullets of 165 grains or lighter.There are some 180 grain bullet loads but they aren't very hot.