Interesting Article on G-31

[DonGlock26]

Enjoy!

http://www.handguninfo.com/Archive/www.Pete-357.com/glock31.setback.chart.htm

[Tommy Vercetti]

Thanks for posting this Don. My 31 is now my carry piece, giving my well used 17 a much needed rest. While we may not agree much about politics, when it comes to firearms, you and I seem to agree quite a bit. I just this last weekend picked up a 229ST to compliment my 31, .357Sig of course. Finally got a chance to go out to the Pawnee National Grasslands today to put it through the paces. Everything I've come to expect from Sig Sauer and more. The stainless frame makes recoil a non-issue literally, and accuracy was ridiculous. ^5 ~2 ^c

[DonGlock26]

Originally posted by Tommy Vercetti
Thanks for posting this Don. My 31 is now my carry piece, giving my well used 17 a much needed rest. While we may not agree much about politics, when it comes to firearms, you and I seem to agree quite a bit. I just this last weekend picked up a 229ST to compliment my 31, .357Sig of course. Finally got a chance to go out to the Pawnee National Grasslands today to put it through the paces. Everything I've come to expect from Sig Sauer and more. The stainless frame makes recoil a non-issue literally, and accuracy was ridiculous. ^5 ~2 ^c


You're welcome!

Nice pick on that P229ST. I have a P229 with Night sights and a short trigger. I also have a .40 barrel, but I find the .357 Sig to be much easier to shoot. I want to pick-up a P239 in .357 (or 9mm) for CCW. Down the road, I plan on getting a P226ST in .357 Sig for HD with a surefire tac light. So many guns, so little time.



Cheers,;c


Don

[SIGShooter]

I wonder what the setback is for the WWB .357 SIG JHP? That was an interesting article. The only round that I have ever had setback with for the .357 are the winchester rangers.

[quantico]

I have never had any setback issues... luckily. I do appreciate the link. Thanks.

[Coffindodger!]

Been considering a 229ST myself, they only make em' in .40 though, which I don't like as a caliber. I'm more of a 9mm/.45 person though I do still hold a bit of interest in .357SIG from time to time.

I could pick up a .357SIG barrel for it, but then I keep going to thinking with that short barrel I'll have nothing but muzzle blast over a 9 with hot ammo.

[Tommy Vercetti]

Originally posted by Coffindodger!
Been considering a 229ST myself, they only make em' in .40 though, which I don't like as a caliber. I'm more of a 9mm/.45 person though I do still hold a bit of interest in .357SIG from time to time.

I could pick up a .357SIG barrel for it, but then I keep going to thinking with that short barrel I'll have nothing but muzzle blast over a 9 with hot ammo.

You needn't worry about the muzzle blast being any different with .357Sig than 9mm +p/+p+ Coffindodger. Even less so with the 229ST as the stainless frame virtually eliminates any flip whatsoever,(which isn't bad to begin with in the alloy frame) more of a gentle push back than anything else. If you are seriously considering picking one up you will be close to, if not over, $1000 after tax and night sites. When you're spending this kind of cash it gives you some bargaining power. I simply stated to the shop owner that I was prepared to buy this gun, but only if he would exchange the .40S&W barrel for a .357Sig barrel. Since it's probably hard for a shop owner to pass on $1000 cash I was easily able to make this deal. Good luck and give a range report if you get it. :)

[Coffindodger!]

Originally posted by Tommy Vercetti
You needn't worry about the muzzle blast being any different with .357Sig than 9mm +p/+p+ Coffindodger. Even less so with the 229ST as the stainless frame virtually eliminates any flip whatsoever,(which isn't bad to begin with in the alloy frame) more of a gentle push back than anything else. If you are seriously considering picking one up you will be close to, if not over, $1000 after tax and night sites. When you're spending this kind of cash it gives you some bargaining power. I simply stated to the shop owner that I was prepared to buy this gun, but only if he would exchange the .40S&W barrel for a .357Sig barrel. Since it's probably hard for a shop owner to pass on $1000 cash I was easily able to make this deal. Good luck and give a range report if you get it. :)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not recoil sensitive and the recoil differences between a hot 9 and the .357 Sig are almost non-existent. Muzzle blast though, especially out of a sub 4" barrel will impare your vision more and the extra noise, if not necessary, is just another burden.

Regarding the price... That's probably why I'll never own one. I could buy two BHP's for that price. And I've never found a better all around pistol than a BHP. Can I conceal a 12 round .357SIG P229 any better than a BHP with a 17 round KRD mag of 127gr. +P+? No. Can you shoot a Sig any better than a BHP? No.

The results don't jive, but this thread has me seriously reconsidering ever looking at a .357SIG again: http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=417202

I honestly don't understand though how a same weight bullet of the same design can have less penetration and less expansion at a higher speed. Like I mentioned, I'm at a loss. ;g

[Tommy Vercetti]

Originally posted by Coffindodger!
Don't get me wrong, I'm not recoil sensitive and the recoil differences between a hot 9 and the .357 Sig are almost non-existent. Muzzle blast though, especially out of a sub 4" barrel will impare your vision more and the extra noise, if not necessary, is just another burden.

Regarding the price... That's probably why I'll never own one. I could buy two BHP's for that price. And I've never found a better all around pistol than a BHP. Can I conceal a 12 round .357SIG P229 any better than a BHP with a 17 round KRD mag of 127gr. +P+? No. Can you shoot a Sig any better than a BHP? No.

The results don't jive, but this thread has me seriously reconsidering ever looking at a .357SIG again: http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=417202

I honestly don't understand though how a same weight bullet of the same design can have less penetration and less expansion at a higher speed. Like I mentioned, I'm at a loss. ;g

Maybe this will help reinforce your clarity: http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=417023
Scroll down about half the page.
As far as cost goes, man I understand it's a chunk. But one thing I can promise you is that when you shoot one, you will know where that extra money went. If you can get over that initial "sticker shock" you will be glad you took the plunge. I myself have two BHP's that I love, but the comparison bewtween the two(229ST,BHP) is night and day especially at the range. I personally wouldn't put RA9TA in a BHP only a Glock, Sig, or HK. In case you are wondering RA9TA's pressure exceeds any .357Sig loading so why subject your BHP to the beating when you can have a .357Sig that's built to take the beating of a high pressure round? Just my $0.02.

[Coffindodger!]

The BHP is an all steel gun designed around military ammo. The idea of BHP fragility is a myth IMO. I basically only shoot NATO and occassionally hollowpoints. I'll check out the thread, thanks Vercetti.