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USMC03
08-15-2005, 15:11
A few guys have asked me recently about the quality of Rock River Arms rifles. I rank them in the top 3 or 4 AR15 manufacturers.


Recently I have been extreemly impressed with Rock River Arms' quality, even better than Bushmaster quality, and Rock River Arms has their guns priced well below Bushmaster.

That being said, there are a few things that RRA does to their guns that I don't like:

-They come from the factory with a 2 stage trigger (I do not like 2 stage triggers on defensive / tactical gun, seen too many of them go tit's up in classes, matches, and other training)

-Most models come with a HBAR profile barrel (too heavy for my personal preference)

-Most models come with a NON-Chrome lined barrel (a chrome lined barrel is a desirable feature on a defenseive / tactical carbine).

Now that I've pointed out the things I don't like about RRA, these "undesirable features" can be a blessing in disguise.

If you order a RRA from Steve at http://www.adcofirearms.com he will credit you approximately $65 if you request the two stage trigger be replaced with a standard trigger group.

For around $100 Steve will install a RRA Chrome Lined Barrel on the gun and can profile it to your specification. With the RRA I just ordered, I got a mid-length barrel (I LOVE mid-lengths) I had Steve install a RRA mid-length chrome lined barrel.

The RRA chrome-lined, mid-length barrel is a HBAR profile, which was too heavy and the Govt A2 profile was too thin. I had him profile the mid-length barrel to .73 under the handguards (for reference, the A2 barrel is .75 from the front sight post forward and it's .64 under the handguards).

Currently RRA's prices are $100 to $200 under Bushmaster's prices, depending on the model.


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Here are a few of the things that I like about the RRA Elite CAR UTE 2 over the M4 length gas system:



1) the front sight post and gas system are 2" forward of where they are on an M4

2) the mid-length gas system is slightly smoother cycling than the M4

3) because the front sight post is 2" forward on the mid-length it gives you a longer sight radius

4) because the front sight post is 2" forward on the mid-length is also gives you a longer handguard....not a big issue for smaller guys, but some taller guys like to have the extra room so they can put their hand further out on the handguard (when not using a vertical foregrip)

5) the RRA Elite CAR UTE 2 has both a fixed A2 sight and a rail. The down side to this is you can never use a magnified optic on the gun (which, for the most part is not a desierable item on a civilian/LEO - defensive / tactical gun)....The up side is that you have a rock solid back up iron sight that costs you no extra money, it will always be there, it will always be in the "up position".


The UTE 2 is a great setup for a new shooter getting into defensive / tactical shooting.

If the new shooter doesn't have the money for an electronic red dot optic, doesn't know which electronic red dot optic he wants, or wants a basic gun that he can learn to shoot with irons prior to moving onto optics, the UTE 2 give the new shooter a gun that is ready to go out of the box, and optic platforms can be upgraded easily.

Yojimbo
08-15-2005, 15:25
Another great carbine!;f

That UTE 2 upper is pretty cool!

Ya, gotta love a mid-length carbine with a LaRue 9.0 rail! I just jumped on that bandwagon myself.;)

RMTactical
08-15-2005, 16:47
$100 is pretty damn expensive to just add a chrome lined barrel. Most places charge $30-35 to add chrome.

USMC03
08-15-2005, 16:49
Originally posted by GoreLicks
$100 is pretty damn expensive to just add a chrome lined barrel. Most places charge $30-35 to add chrome.


Upgrade to a chrome lined barrel + have the barrel re-profiled to my specs and refinished.

RMTactical
08-15-2005, 16:51
OK, gotcha!

What does he refinish with?

USMC03
08-15-2005, 16:56
Originally posted by GoreLicks
OK, gotcha!

What does he refinish with?


I'm not sure, but I can't tell a difference between Steve's finish and the factory finish.


I'm extreemly impressed, I have purchased parts and accessories from ADCO, but never had them do any work on a gun for me.....I WILL be a repeat customer!!!

dbrowne1
08-15-2005, 20:11
Nice boomstick. I've heard nothing but good things about ADCO's work as well.

vote Republican
08-15-2005, 21:19
That's a good looking rifle - I like the Aimpoint, and the 'Live Free to Die' on the handguards. :cool:

NMR
08-15-2005, 21:34
This may be a dumb one, but is that a stock RRA stock? That looks sweet, and I was wondering where I could find one, and how much $$.

Beautiful AR! Congrats!

USMC03
08-15-2005, 21:36
Originally posted by NMR
This may be a dumb one, but is that a stock RRA stock? That looks sweet, and I was wondering where I could find one, and how much $$.

Beautiful AR! Congrats!


Misunderstood your question, the first time I read it....It's a Magpul M93B stock, they go for around $220 ..... The can be found at www.magpul.com ......My avatar may look familiar as well, once you've been to the site ;)

RMTactical
08-15-2005, 21:37
Originally posted by USMC03
I'm not sure, but I can't tell a difference between Steve's finish and the factory finish.


I'm extreemly impressed, I have purchased parts and accessories from ADCO, but never had them do any work on a gun for me.....I WILL be a repeat customer!!!

I do my own refinsih jobs. I prefer the job I do to stock finish as well.

Originally posted by NMR
This may be a dumb one, but is that a stock RRA stock? That looks sweet, and I was wondering where I could find one, and how much $$.

Beautiful AR! Congrats!

Magpul. I think they run about $180 or so.

NMR
08-15-2005, 22:06
Originally posted by USMC03
Misunderstood your question, the first time I read it....It's a Magpul M93B stock, they go for around $220 ..... The can be found at www.magpul.com ......My avatar may look familiar as well, once you've been to the site ;)

Thanks!

And thank you to GoreLicks also!

Wildpony
08-16-2005, 11:03
+1 I love my UTE2.

The best accessory(and only accessory so far) I ever purchased for it was more ammo^5

tulsashooter
08-16-2005, 13:39
Order from www.eaglefirearms.net they include the chrome lining($40) in there price and its still cheaper.

AtreidesAR15
08-17-2005, 13:55
Sure looks like it to me. Nice gun, though I'm not a big fan of the "chopped" A2 reciever look.

Yojimbo
08-17-2005, 14:39
Originally posted by AtreidesAR15
Sure looks like it to me.

You're looking at the ladder rail covers.;)

BTW, USMC03 is one of those highly trained individuals I keep warning you about...:cool:

vote Republican
08-17-2005, 14:44
The upper stops where the barrel attaches. Only thing forward is the barrel, gas tube, and stuff that hangs off like the handguards.

AtreidesAR15
08-17-2005, 17:24
Originally posted by Yojimbo
You're looking at the ladder rail covers.;)

BTW, USMC03 is one of those highly trained individuals I keep warning you about...:cool:

Oh OK. I've never seen those rail covers in real life before.

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