recommend a Flash Suppressor

[TECH24_glock23]

Just got a bushy xm15-e2s, need a flash suppressor. I want a good quality one under $100, can any of you throw me some ideas ? thanks in advance.

[AZ-Boog]

Phantom 5C1 or 5C2.

here (http://www.rbprecision.com/id42.htm)

[TECH24_glock23]

Thanks that one looks good and the price is right.

[RMTactical]

I like the phantom.

[USMCsilver]

Don't rule out a Vortex!

[AntiOsama]

I like ops.

[Skintop911]

USGI, -A1 or -A2 type.

[USMCsilver]

Originally posted by Skintop911
USGI, -A1 or -A2 type.

BLAH!

[Sierra]

The Vortex has the least flash signature of any flash suppressor mentioned.

[dsg2003gt]

im getting a vortex...you cant see the flash...at all!

[steve1911]

I have a phantom 5c2 and a vortex i like both.

1911club#410

[Shooters Plus]

Phantom YHM-5C2 because there just so dang cool looking and .... the chicks dig it :ladiesmn: J/K, Phantom or Vortex will do a great job.

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by dsg2003gt
im getting a vortex...you cant see the flash...at all!

Difference between the Vortex and the phantom is practically unnoticeable. They say the Vortex is slightly better though... at least at hiding flash.

Both the phantom and the Vortex are much more effective than the A2. I can tell you that much.

What I like about the phantom is, it acts like a compensator as well. And it's cheaper to boot.

[steve1911]

phantom i payed 19.95, for the vortex 29.95.

1911club#410

[Jaltered]

This isn't a hi-jacking. The thread author can benefit from this info too. :)

What are some pros/cons of the Phantom 5C1 and 5C2?

Can they be attached to RRA 16" CAR barrels, or just to Bushmasters?

[RMTactical]

The 5C2 has an "agressive front end used in hand to hand situations." Per the YHM website.

"The 5C1 features a "no snag" design that allows the user to navigate rough terrain without interference." -also from the YHM website

http://www.yankeehillmachine.com/store/muzzle.html

Flash hiders for AR-15's of any make will screw on to any barrel that is threaded, the threading is the same, even among different manufacturers.

[Skintop911]

Originally posted by USMCsilver
BLAH!

I know, the USGI aren't as sexy as the others. I've never had a bad guy point out their failings though, just the e-commando SOCOM dress-up crowd.

[dbrowne1]

Did your XM-15E2SX5F4Z2 not come with one? Every gun and upper I've ever bought has come with an A2 flash suppressor, and those seem to work just fine.

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by Skintop911
I know, the USGI aren't as sexy as the others. I've never had a bad guy point out their failings though, just the e-commando SOCOM dress-up crowd.

In personal testing I've done, the phantom on my 14.5" barrel concealed flash better than the A2 on my brother's 16" barrel. Theoretically, the 16" barrel should have the advantage because it has more time to burn up the excess powder.

Both guns were shooting XM193, and the flash out of my brothers 16" was about twice as bright as the flah from the phantom.

It might not be that big of a deal, but if you want to get technical, the phantom is better.

[TECH24_glock23]

Yes, mine did not come with one for some reason, but it was not new I bought it used. So I need to get one asap, not just for function but also for looks.

[AtreidesAR15]

And from what was posted there, the Phantom out performed the Vortex considerably. I have owned both, and to tell you the truth I couldn't see a difference in performance with the naked eye, but I prefer the Phantom because of its closed design. The Vortex "prongs" got caught in brush a couple times with me which is why I switched.

As for the standard A1 or A2 Flash hiders, well, they are better than nothing at all, but not by much in my humble opinion, not compared with the difference a Vortex or Phantom makes.

[Sierra]

I put a Vortex on my HBAR the week the AWB ended and have been impressed. SWAT magazine did an evaluation of the Phantom, Vortex and the USGI. In that evaluation, by Pat Rogers, there were photographs taken of the flash signatures in the dark with all three. M193 was the ammo used and the Vortex was clearly with the least flash signature.

It has been my experience with the Vortex mounted on my 20" HBAR that the open design of the prongs has been a theoretical problem rather than an actual working problem with debris getting caught up in the prongs. Also impressive has been the reduction of the muzzle blast and redirected noise.

I am also of the the opinion that any flash suppressor is dramatically better than no flash suppressor and that the difference between the Phantom and Vortex in an insignificant one for the vast majority of shooters. The difference among all three of the flash suppressors is such a minor issue for me that the USGI is on the rest of my AR15 pattern rifles.

[w30olds]

Another vote for the Phantom;g

[c4igrant]

The Vortex is the only FS (besides the A2) that has military contracts.


C4

www.GRTactical.com

[Bonk]

I put a Phantom (YHM-28) on mine after the AWB ended. It absolutely eats up the flash.

[thetoastmaster]

Smith Enterprise Vortex (avoid cheap immitations).

-Bo

[demusn79]

phantom looks great works better
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/demusn79/th_Im000377.jpg (http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/demusn79/Im000377.jpg)
;a

[thetoastmaster]

Originally posted by demusn79
phantom looks great works better

Evidently Pat Rogers would disagree with you. ;) ;f

SWAT magazine did an evaluation of the Phantom, Vortex and the USGI. In that evaluation, by Pat Rogers, there were photographs taken of the flash signatures in the dark with all three. M193 was the ammo used and the Vortex was clearly with the least flash signature.

-Bo

[demusn79]

didn't say its the best.

[thetoastmaster]

Originally posted by demusn79
didn't say its the best.

ehh, "best" is a subjective term...

-Bo

[USMCsilver]

Originally posted by Skintop911
e-commando SOCOM dress-up crowd.

Hey, I resemble that remark! What's wrong with playing dress-up? My buddy and I enjoy the hell outta it!

http://webpages.charter.net/usmcsilver/images/rangebench.jpg

[OutintheWoods]

My goodness.

We could set up quite an ambush with that arsenal.

[Bushw@cker]

Phantom 5C2

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/3779/p60900168kj.jpg

ETA picture

[demusn79]

thetoastmaster
i didn't mean the phantom was better than the vortex,i really don't care.
i got the phantom and i like it a lot.
now you can put your English books away,tend to your lecturing at school with the other minds of mush.

[thetoastmaster]

demusn79-

I meant for my comment to be light hearted, and appologize for rubbing you the wrong way. I did meant that "best" is a matter of personal preference, that it is not really arguing over.

I just din't want this thread to turn into a calliber war, or the like.

-Bo

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by thetoastmaster
demusn79-

I meant for my comment to be light hearted, and appologize for rubbing you the wrong way. I did meant that "best" is a matter of personal preference, that it is not really arguing over.

I just din't want this thread to turn into a calliber war, or the like.

-Bo

Whatever! ;Q You suck, and so do your .30cal rifles!



;f

[thetoastmaster]

Oh, son, do not start up with me this morning...

;f ;f

Speaking ogfthe .30s, can you get the Phantom for the big boys? I got a Smith comp on my chicom. I swear, it tames the recoil, feels like a 5.56- no joke. Haven't shot it at night yet, though. I'm having a Vortex put on my Smith build. Just wodered what else was out there.

When I build up a patrol AR, it'll have a Vortex, too.

-Bo

[Pat _Rogers]

Thanks for the acknowledgement, but it is in error. I didn't write that article.
I believe that Denny Hansen did.

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by thetoastmaster
Oh, son, do not start up with me this morning...

;f ;f

Speaking ogfthe .30s, can you get the Phantom for the big boys? I got a Smith comp on my chicom. I swear, it tames the recoil, feels like a 5.56- no joke. Haven't shot it at night yet, though. I'm having a Vortex put on my Smith build. Just wodered what else was out there.

When I build up a patrol AR, it'll have a Vortex, too.

-Bo

Yes, they make phantoms for .30cal rifles. At least, I know they make them for the FAL and AR10.

http://www.yankeehillmachine.com/store/muzzle.html

[thetoastmaster]

Not for the M14S?

Guess I'll stick with the Vortex.

-Bo

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by thetoastmaster
Not for the M14S?

Guess I'll stick with the Vortex.

-Bo

I don't know. I'd have guessed the threading was the same... but I guess I wouldn't know.

[demusn79]

my apologies also ,maybe wrong side of bed syndrome.

[thetoastmaster]

Originally posted by GoreLicks
I don't know. I'd have guessed the threading was the same... but I guess I wouldn't know.

I don't know the threads for the AR-10 or FAL. Heck, I don't even know the threads for the M-14S or M1A, except that one is metric, the other English.

Originally posted by demusn79
my apologies also, maybe wrong side of bed syndrome.

No problem, man, now we can be friends. :cool: ;f ;Y ~hg