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Hot Rod/SS
08-31-2005, 11:50
I am now considering buying a more fuel efficient vehicle. My top choices are either a Civic or a Saturn. I am hoping someone could provide some info about the pros and cons and tell me if there is anything I should watch out for on these cars.

Rob1035
08-31-2005, 12:21
civic, easy choice. Hondas are known for their reliability. While the efficiency between the two may be comparable, I would never compare an saturn to a honda in so far as longevity. A good civic will run for years and need nothing but tires and oil changes.

grecco
08-31-2005, 12:30
honda...its a better car,
holds its value better.

RMTactical
08-31-2005, 14:08
I am selling my 2000 Civic with 104K miles on it. It was a pleasure to own, I hate to let it go but I had to get a bigger car for my family.

I am positive it will go another 100K miles without a problem. It's in great shape.

Highly recommend the Civic over a Saturn.

pnarq5
08-31-2005, 14:14
Saturn? I would not take one if they were free. So, my pick is the Honda. Give it gas and oil and she will run for a very long time.

bac1023
08-31-2005, 18:55
The Civic is far and away a better car than a Saturn. I don't think its even close.

epsylum
08-31-2005, 19:33
Add another mark next to the civic.

Come on, I could have answered than in my sleep.

Saturn = crap
Civic = seriously dependable car (not just maketing hype either)

BTW your avartar rules. I am a big time SFII junkie (notice I ddin't say WAS, becasue I still am). My brother plays Ryu, I play Ken, Guile, or Blanka mostly. Although i can hold my own with almost any of the original characters, even Zangief.

Come back and tell us when you get your Civic. We will be very disappointed if you get a Saturn. ;f

allglock
09-01-2005, 20:37
I have owned both. No real problems with either one, BUT, the Honda will retain much more value, and dents.;f

autoparts
09-02-2005, 08:00
Since you are buying a used car it might make more sense to buy the vehicle that has already lost the most value. It is unfortunate for the new Saturn buyer if their car depreciated relatively quickly, but it is good news for the buyer of that used Saturn.

Vehicle depreciation is steepest for new cars, but quickly levels out for older cars. Brand becomes much less important over time. Either a ten year old Saturn or Civic might be worth $50 or $4000 depending on its mileage and condition.

I have never owned a Saturn or Honda, but I was always impressed that Saturn engines use a timing chain rather than a timing belt. A timing chain should last the life of a typical car. The timing belt on the Civic and most other brand 4 cylinders must be replaced every 70K miles or so.

Civics are also very popular with car thieves so they might have higher insurance costs.

ChessMan
09-02-2005, 18:51
If price is no object, then obviously the Honda is preferable. But price IS an object, otherwise you wouldn't be looking at used cars. So perhaps the question should be framed like this:

Given similar age (6-8 yrs), mileage (80,000), and condition (good), what would you rather buy: (1) a Honda for $6000, or (2) a Saturn for $3000?

I was facing this exact same question a year ago. All I was looking for was cheap, dependable, fuel-efficient transportation to get me to work and back every day (50-mi round trip). I could not find any Hondas or Toyotas for under $6000 unless they were well over 120K mi and practically basket cases. On the other hand, Saturns in the $2500-3500 range, in good condition with reasonably low miles, are plentiful. So I took a chance on a $3000 Saturn. I'm about 9 months and 10K miles into the experiment and have to say I'm pleased so far. That darn Saturn gets 38 mpg! Better than my Nissan Sentra ever got.

xring04
09-06-2005, 07:05
I bought a 05 civic for back and forth to work. I really like the little car.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/xring04/DSC00971copy.jpg

I have ordered some wheels to replace those hubbies.

I average about 37 in town mpg. I get 42 on the hwy. Love the little gas saver! Mine is a manual.

epsylum
09-06-2005, 11:55
Originally posted by xring04
I bought a 05 civic for back and forth to work. I really like the little car.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/xring04/DSC00971copy.jpg

I have ordered some wheels to replace those hubbies.

I average about 37 in town mpg. I get 42 on the hwy. Love the little gas saver! Mine is a manual.

That is exactly what i would buy if I could afford a new car. Great car, killer gas milage, and not too expensive. Plus I just love manual trannies, goves your right hand something to do and help the gas milage even more.

Rob1035
09-06-2005, 12:30
I was completely unaware hondas were getting over 40mpg, that is great! But I guess it should be no suprise since their V6s are getting over 30mpg and still making good power

GoGators
09-06-2005, 18:21
I love my civic. Super reliability, good handling, efficient.

oscar62
09-06-2005, 18:42
one thing to remember, these cars all have over head cams. so they use timing belt for quiet operations. normally belts should be changed at or around the 50k to 60k mark, check the mileage on the car your looking at if its close to 50k then you might be looking at about 250.00 give or take 75.00 to replace belt. good luck.
by the way you don't want to have a belt brake on you at high speed, it will trash your engine.

JohnH
09-06-2005, 21:20
Go with the Civic! I love mine. The timing belt on the newer Hondas and Acuras should be changed around 110k, at least that's what the dealer told me.

glockmeister71
09-07-2005, 00:25
I've had 2 Civics and still driving one of them,wrecked the other.They seem to never break,good gas mileage especially on highway,easy to work on(if anything ever goes wrong),holds resale value,etc.,etc.The only real problem around my area is finding parts in junk yards.They all say they hardly ever get one in.I guess that's a good thing.The one I have now has over 230,000 miles on it.Except for routine stuff,all it needs is a dash dimmer switch.It never smokes or uses any oil.I recommend them to anyone who asks about em.With all the mileage mine has,I can still drive from 50 miles north of Knoxville to Atlanta,Nashville,Winston Salem,or Louisville and back for around a tank of gas.

saluki9
09-07-2005, 15:52
Originally posted by Hot Rod/SS
I am now considering buying a more fuel efficient vehicle. My top choices are either a Civic or a Saturn. I am hoping someone could provide some info about the pros and cons and tell me if there is anything I should watch out for on these cars.


Go for the civic hands down. It's too small of a car for me (I'm 6'6") but I could still drive my wife's old civic. It was a little hard to get in, but comfortable.

They are durable as hell, she was hit 3 times and the car never sustained any mechanical damage. Also, if I remember correctly she got about 35mpg in mixed driving.

It's not quite a "hot rod" but the civic is a great little car.

Screehopper
09-12-2005, 12:26
Given the choices between a Civic and Saturn? Civic for sure.

I had a friend who had a Saturn. Unreliable, noisy, terrible handling. And the plastic doors panels? Yuck.

Rinspeed
09-13-2005, 10:38
I've owned three Honda Accords and will most likely buy another next year.

ScoPro
09-20-2005, 08:24
Bought a 1996 Saturn SL2 new - the family put 178,000 miles on it before blowin' a head gasket 1 year ago. Bought another identical one with only 64,000 on it last October (paid $3,200) Son has put 20,000 miles on that one since. Only thing ever done to 'em is regular maintenance - both cars 32-36 mpg. Excellent generic transportation.

Brother & neighbor had three Hondas between them that were nothing but expensive trouble. Japcrap is overrated, IMO.

If you want an exciting ride, buy a 'Vette.

epsylum
09-20-2005, 17:26
Originally posted by ScoPro
Bought a 1996 Saturn SL2 new - the family put 178,000 miles on it before blowin' a head gasket 1 year ago. Bought another identical one with only 64,000 on it last October (paid $3,200) Son has put 20,000 miles on that one since. Only thing ever done to 'em is regular maintenance - both cars 32-36 mpg. Excellent generic transportation.

Brother & neighbor had three Hondas between them that were nothing but expensive trouble. Japcrap is overrated, IMO.

If you want an exciting ride, buy a 'Vette.

178k is nothing special. My 95 cougar is approaching that and the engine is still strong and haven't put any big money into it yet. I drive it daily and I don't consider it easpecially reliable.

My brother's friend had an 80's Honda CRX. It was a gutless turd powerwise, but his had over 250k on it when he sold it (still running fine).

My brother had a 92 Camry V-6. It had 150k on it when he bought it (still blue booked for 5 grand at that time). He had it for 6 years as a daily driver. Sold it with over 260k on it. The guy he sold it to is still driving it daily. All these rquired just general maintenence. No big repairs.

My brother's neighbor has an 89 Civic hatchback. He has almost 200k on it and again no issues. My brother has done some general maintenence on it for him and says it's still running just fine and constantly asks him if he's going to sell it so he can buy it.

Then there was that VW Fox my brother had that had a broken odometer when he got it and the odometer showed 260k on it. But were talking about "jap crap".

ngray
09-20-2005, 17:51
You'd do well to look at:
fueleconomy.gov for mileage comparisons
and
www.edmunds.com for reviews.

That said, I bought a 99 mazda miata earlier this year for my highway commute. I get about 30mpg, and have a blast doing it. If I were buying new, it'd have to be the civic hybrid.

Rinspeed
09-20-2005, 19:00
Originally posted by ScoPro


Brother & neighbor had three Hondas between them that were nothing but expensive trouble. Japcrap is overrated, IMO.


Overrated? The Honda Accord has been in the top three for best selling sedans for the last 10-12 years straight. Many of those years it was at the top of the sales chart. Honda wrote the book on reliability. How the hell can you call them overrated? By the way most of them are made right in Maryland.

OUSooner
09-20-2005, 19:47
If you can swing a little extra get the Si model. I have an '02 and just turned 110,000 miles on it. 100% trouble free and fast as ever. This model also comes with a timing chain so you don't have to change it and it has the cool gear shifter coming out of the dash!

ScoPro
09-20-2005, 20:44
How the hell can you call them overrated? From watching firsthand. It's JMO.

epsylum
09-20-2005, 20:49
Originally posted by OUSooner
If you can swing a little extra get the Si model. I have an '02 and just turned 110,000 miles on it. 100% trouble free and fast as ever. This model also comes with a timing chain so you don't have to change it and it has the cool gear shifter coming out of the dash!

But it looks like a Jelly bean.

;f

Good car I'm sure, but the looks are horrendous on the new Si.

I dig the Scion Tc. It's only .1 slower than an IS300 through the quarter and only costs 16 grand. Not to mention it's the ONLY good looking Scion and has the new Camry I-4 in it. They don't put unrealiable engines in Camrys as I have found out first hand.

OUSooner
09-21-2005, 06:11
Actually the brand new '06 Si that is coming out next month will be a coupe(trunk). It will have the 200hp engine from the Acura Rsx type S in it. I won't buy one because I like my hatch better. A trunk is usless to me as I use my car for work and have to put things in the back that won't fit in a coupe or sedan.;f

45acp4me
09-23-2005, 15:31
Saturn - 125,000 to 150,000 mile life.

Honda Civic - 175,000 to 250,000 mile life.

I'd get the Civic

DaisyCutter
09-25-2005, 17:12
Originally posted by Hot Rod/SS
I am now considering buying a more fuel efficient vehicle. My top choices are either a Civic or a Saturn. I am hoping someone could provide some info about the pros and cons and tell me if there is anything I should watch out for on these cars.

I heard that if you drive a Saturn, your d1ck will fall off.

c5367
09-28-2005, 19:23
I'll just add to the chorus here. I have experience with Hondas and Saturns (it wasn't mine, it was the girlfriends!) The Saturn, quite frankly, was a POS. Nothing but problems.
My old Prelude OTOH hand has 150,000 mile on it. A friend of mine has had a number of Hondas, many of which lasted long into the 200k range. Sadly, those particular vehicles demise was not due to wear, but his being a terrible driver.

Matt VDW
05-24-2006, 01:05
Overrated? The Honda Accord has been in the top three for best selling sedans for the last 10-12 years straight. Many of those years it was at the top of the sales chart. Honda wrote the book on reliability. How the hell can you call them overrated? By the way most of them are made right in Maryland.
Maryland? I thought the Accords were made in Ohio.

Asha'man
05-26-2006, 00:59
They're both boring, FWD, generic grocery-getters. The Honduh will most likely give you more years of trouble-free boredom than the Saturn.

Brian

dano1427
06-03-2006, 21:22
Can't go wrong with a Honda (or any Japanese car, except maybe a Mitsubishi).

Saturn's, being a GM product, are junk.

Japcrap? That is comical considering GM recalls more cars than it sells...

--dan

nucleus
06-22-2006, 23:37
You know, one's knee jerk reaction is to go Honda. But since Honda's hold their value so well, they aren't such good deals used. If you don't have too pay too much for insurance, a new Honda may be a better deal than a used one. Years ago I figured this out trying to buy a used Civic Si, ended up with a new one. Another major factor lowering your cost for a new car over used is the cost of financing.

I will take a Civic Si for fun over a Saturn anytime, but in the "car as an appliance' point of view, a used Saturn has a couple of serious advantages over a used Honda.

First, a timing chain will save you serious maintainence money and a potential car-stopping failure mode vs. a timing belt.

Second, the plastic body of the Saturn generally doesn't show dings and dents that a high mileage Honda will show.

Third, significantly lower price.

Coincidentally, I drove a coworkers' '99 Saturn with 178,000 miles on it today. Decent shifter feel, ditto clutch, great high and hard brake pedal ( first ever on a GM car for me), pretty numb but accurate steering, reasonable 4 banger engine coarser than a Honda when revved, good roll stiffness.

He said all he has done is change the oil, tires and brakes.

My opinion is that every one should drive BMW's. Real wheel drive, excellent driving dynamics, brakes, cornering, ride, etc. Also paint that lasts and better safety features. They have a slower pace of change than many car makers, so most parts cost less than most brands.

Whatever your price range, buy a BMW.

Thank me later,

Nucleus

Slacker
06-25-2006, 23:11
Originally posted by glockmeister71
I've had 2 Civics and still driving one of them,wrecked the other.They seem to never break,good gas mileage especially on highway,easy to work on(if anything ever goes wrong),holds resale value,etc.,etc.The only real problem around my area is finding parts in junk yards.They all say they hardly ever get one in.I guess that's a good thing.The one I have now has over 230,000 miles on it.Except for routine stuff,all it needs is a dash dimmer switch.It never smokes or uses any oil.I recommend them to anyone who asks about em.With all the mileage mine has,I can still drive from 50 miles north of Knoxville to Atlanta,Nashville,Winston Salem,or Louisville and back for around a tank of gas.

Try Jeff Evans Honda junkyard. Its located in Newport. Not sure if he has older parts but has lots of newer stuff.
Evans Honda Specialist
1095 Raines Rd, Newport, TN 37821

Phone: (423) 623-8781

glockmeister71
06-27-2006, 22:51
Thanks for the heads-up Slacker.

WellArmedSheep
06-28-2006, 08:18
Originally posted by Matt VDW
Maryland? I thought the Accords were made in Ohio.

It's Marysville, Ohio, so I can see where someone might get the information jumbled.