The new 115gr and 147gr Gold Dot 357sig ammo should be shipping next week, MUHAHAHA

[spcwes]

Well, I bothered Mike today while he was moving and twisted his arm a little and he told me the new loads should ship next week. Also to add, I will be posting new info in the next couple of months on the testing I am doing with his ammo.

So far what I can add in pure excitement is that I was getting between 1585fps and 1610fps with the 125gr Gold Dot from DT at the range with my Glock 31.

Also to add, some guns do and some don't have a moving impact on the gel and the table it sits on, the 125gr load is one that moves!!! I will have a video if all goes as planned that will show the difference between popular loadings.

We can all then see the gel test and results. This is also cool since these are the first gel test I have done. To actually see the reaction the 35lb block of gel has when bullets hit it is great.

We did the math on the 125gr loading and at 1600fps this load should be at about 710.7ftlbs of energy. I like it!

Oh one more thing, even at about 3' away which was more for fun than anything the Gold Dot performed very well, almost complete weight retention and great expansion. I will post the results when I get them done, but I would say it was close to .70.

This should be fun.


;f ;f

[PaleGreenHorse]

Do you mean the 115gr.? His listed velocities for the 125gr. load are 1450fps from a 4" barrel?

[spcwes]

No sir, I mean a Glock 31 with a 4.5" barrel and I mean the 125gr Gold Dot. I have averaged over 1585fps on just about one whole box while firing the loads into gel several times as well. He lists the FPS of the load out the 4.5" barrel as 1550fps!

I do not think the Glock 32 with a 4" barrel will drop below 1500fps my self but as soon as I get mine in I will let you know what the actual numbers show. I just don't think with these loads that .5" will drop the speed 100fps but we will see.

I am guessing here but I think the 115gr loads will reach darn close to the 1700fps mark out a 4.5” barrel maybe better. If I am right about the 147gr load it will bring hopefully about 1400fps to 1450fps, and that will be an awesome round!

I was excited when I found a loading for this caliber that I felt was up to par, what it was designed for. Now that I am actually doing more testing on these loads they have been in every case more than predicted and more than listed.

Confidence in my ammo has been a mute point up until now. I can clearly see that in the past I was happy or content with ammo I was carrying but had given up on the 357sig because no ammo company had tried to reach its potential. I was carrying a Glock 21 for duty with 230gr +p Ranger T’s and a Glock 19 stuffed with 127gr +p+ Ranger T’s and I liked and still like both I feel the most you can get out of your handgun the better.

I will be getting my Glock 20 soon and will be running nothing but DT from the start. The accuracy and power of his loads in every caliber to me is by far unmatched by any company on the planet. Just my $.02 worth.

[PaleGreenHorse]

very nice, unexpected velocity increase from the listed 1450fps, but hey who's complaining about a little extra speed? ;) I am very interested to see your video of the jello tests. ~2

[j doty]

Thanks, Mike. I need to order some 147-grrrrrrrainers.

[TxDoc]

They are not listed on the DT site. Can you call and order, now?

[spcwes]

Not sure when they will hit the site but he told me that they SHOULD and I stess that he did say that, go on the market next week. If I find out more before hand I will post it.

[walpur6isknight]

i gotta see this stuff. im considering another glock 31.
or another 357 wheelgun.....tough choice.

[spcwes]

This is what I know for sure, 15rounds of 357sig running over 1550fps with an 125gr Gold Dot that is holding up and expanding just about perfect in every gel test I have ran.

Still love my wheel guns though. ;f

[walpur6isknight]

i think im going to consider a glock 22 with a conversion barrel. i found a glock 22 with more goodies and less wear for the same price.
what do you think?

[PaleGreenHorse]

The less wear thing is a farse, there is no valid proof that the 357sig is harder on the Glock than any other caliber.

[Tommy Vercetti]

Originally posted by PaleGreenHorse
The less wear thing is a farse, there is no valid proof that the 357sig is harder on the Glock than any other caliber.

I have to agree here, my carry load(Hornady 147's)are loaded at 38,600psi which puts it in 9mm+p range pressure wise. The SAAMI pressure cap on .357Sig is 40,000psi. My previous carry 17 has quite a few +p+'s through it without any signs of accelerated wear, and 9mm +p+ loads all exceed .357Sig pressure ceilings. So at least for me, I fail to see what would make the .357Sigs less durable than other models of Glock. Not to mention the 31&22's have more slide mass than do the 9mms. :)

[walpur6isknight]

i meant finish wear from holstering.
;z
the 22 has a better finish than the 31 ive been eyeing.
and they are the same price. and the 22 has more goodies with it.
so i was thinking getting the 22 and getting a 31 barrel for it.

[DonGlock26]

I, for one, would like to see a gelatin test with the 147gr golddot load. It sounds very interesting!;f

[spcwes]

If all goes well I will have numbers to report on the 147gel test by the end of this week. I may vary a little from the official testing done at DT but hey, I am not official.

I should have good pictures and video feed hopefully at the end of this month. Still working on it.

;f

[DonGlock26]

Originally posted by spcwes
If all goes well I will have numbers to report on the 147gel test by the end of this week. I may vary a little from the official testing done at DT but hey, I am not official.

I should have good pictures and video feed hopefully at the end of this month. Still working on it.

;f



;W ;Y



Sounds great!

[spcwes]

I am actually hoping to see the 115gr Gold Dot loading break the 1700fps out a Glock 31 and have the "little hollow point that could" hold together and get about 15" of penetration.

That would be what dreams are made of right there. I am sure the guys with the Glock 35 and the conversion barrel will have no problem achieving this feet!

Someone that knows how to work a calculator do the math and let us see the energy.

Edited to add: I would actually with all this talk about new products from Glock like to see something simple like a Glock 35 (numbered different of course) chambered from the factory in 357sig!

[DonGlock26]

Originally posted by spcwes
I am actually hoping to see the 115gr Gold Dot loading break the 1700fps out a Glock 31 and have the "little hollow point that could" hold together and get about 15" of penetration.

That would be what dreams are made of right there. I am sure the guys with the Glock 35 and the conversion barrel will have no problem achieving this feet!

Someone that knows how to work a calculator do the math and let us see the energy.

Edited to add: I would actually with all this talk about new products from Glock like to see something simple like a Glock 35 (numbered different of course) chambered from the factory in 357sig!


Now, that would be nice. I would like to see the 147gr Golddot load penetrate 14" and expand into one of those nasty looking Golddot stars.;3

[spcwes]

I would almost guarantee that you will get over 14" of penetration for sure from the 147gr Gold Dot 357sig!

[NoJoy]

spcwes here's the energy answer to the 115gr@1700fps= 738pds of energy. Now if it was available in fmj-it should be even more penatration, if so desired.

[NoJoy]

If the 125gr is getting around 1600fps out of a G-31, then out of a G-35 you might see 1650fps, which=755lbs of energy.
The 147gr@1450 would be 686lbs of energy. It will be interesting to see what the 147gr will really do out of a G-31 and the G-35. Again, I would like to see this round offered in fmj. ;)

[spcwes]

If mike does thing like normal you will see a fmj. I would love to see a 147fmj as well. That would be a nice round to play with.

[Mister Joshua]

I just grabbed a few boxes of the 125's

I would love to see the results of this test - just to find out if "bigger is better", or "faster hitting is better", or if I am just fine with my 125's being the middle ground.

[DonGlock26]

Anybody get the 147gr GD's yet?:)

[spcwes]

Not yet and I have been too busy to call Mike or even check his site here of late. I would love to get a box of both, the 115gr and the 147gr. I am interested in what the performance will show. I will try and contact Mike and if I am able to get ahold of him I will post what I find out.

[DonGlock26]

Originally posted by spcwes
Not yet and I have been too busy to call Mike or even check his site here of late. I would love to get a box of both, the 115gr and the 147gr. I am interested in what the performance will show. I will try and contact Mike and if I am able to get ahold of him I will post what I find out.


Thank you, Sir! ;c

[Tang419]

I bet a 147gr out of a .357 SIG, would make a devistating wound channel.

[spcwes]

I think they are both going to be pretty intense. I am thinking I am going to get a high 1700fps mark out of the 115gr from my Glock 35. If that happens it will be an awesome wound channel. We shall see.

[k9dpd]

Originally posted by PaleGreenHorse
The less wear thing is a farse, there is no valid proof that the 357sig is harder on the Glock than any other caliber.
I think there is more wear, we had 40's for 8 years and had no problems, we have had 4 cracked frames and a bunch of worn out parts in the 6 years we have had the 31's

[PaleGreenHorse]

I bet the frame cracked where the serial number plate was embeded, in which case its just a cover and would have nothing to do with caliber, as this has happened with both the low pressure .45acp, and basic 9mm loads. Excessive wear from a caliber would probably first show signs of peening and get worse from there. PGH~

[epsylum]

Anyone got a G24 and a .357 conversion barrel? That would be REALLY interesting to see.

[Undead Jed]

I'd like to hear more about this 147gr. load.

[DonGlock26]

I would like to see how it performs on gelatin and if the muzzle flip is worse than 125gr GD.

[walpur6isknight]

would the 115, 125, or 147 have better expansion from a shorter barrel (3.5inch)
(any testing on which will open up best in a shorter barrel?)

[Undead Jed]

Originally posted by walpur6isknight
would the 115, 125, or 147 have better expansion from a shorter barrel (3.5inch)
(any testing on which will open up best in a shorter barrel?)

Generally speaking, lighter bullets will open up better from shorter barrels, but then you get the decreased penetration two fold because of expanded bullets and lighter bullet weight. There's also the decreased velocity in all ammo from shorter barrels compared to duty sized guns. You have to pick and choose.

This is just general stuff though and varies with gun and ammo.

[j doty]

Originally posted by DonGlock26
I would like to see how it performs on gelatin and if the muzzle flip is worse than 125gr GD.

I use the DT 9 MM 147's and they are hot but I don't think the flip is much different than reg loads in a 125-gr. setup. I use the fullsize G17. I would think that these would be a little juicier than reg .357 (i use DT 125's in my G32 also, but am going to trythe 147's when I get a chance.) Personally, I have to have at least the midsize grip or I'm not comfortable shooting hot stuff. I had a G36, but I would get sore hands shooting it, even with a mag extension and a glove on! I have no problem when using a 1911 or a G21.

[DonGlock26]

Originally posted by j doty
I use the DT 9 MM 147's and they are hot but I don't think the flip is much different than reg loads in a 125-gr. setup. I use the fullsize G17. I would think that these would be a little juicier than reg .357 (i use DT 125's in my G32 also, but am going to trythe 147's when I get a chance.) Personally, I have to have at least the midsize grip or I'm not comfortable shooting hot stuff. I had a G36, but I would get sore hands shooting it, even with a mag extension and a glove on! I have no problem when using a 1911 or a G21.


Thanks!;c

[Tang419]

I can't decide ! Im about to order and cant make up my mind, 125 or 147 ;g

[spcwes]

I got a few boxes of them, 1 of each bullet weight to be exact.

[Tang419]

The thing that raises the big question for me, are the 147 bullets built for the .357 SIG, or are they regular 9mm bullets ? Incase no one else has noticed, a 124gr Gold Dot for a 9mm, and a 125gr for a .357 SIG are completely different.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid194/pe81d0926ef59403f4a67c1a7f0ffe418/f16c9662.jpg

[DonGlock26]

Originally posted by Tang419
The thing that raises the big question for me, are the 147 bullets built for the .357 SIG, or are they regular 9mm bullets ? Incase no one else has noticed, a 124gr Gold Dot for a 9mm, and a 125gr for a .357 SIG are completely different.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid194/pe81d0926ef59403f4a67c1a7f0ffe418/f16c9662.jpg



I believe they are 9mm bullets. I'm interested in the jello results of the 1200fps 147 load.

[Tang419]

me too

[spcwes]

They will do fine, if you need to see them to the extreme look at the 9X25 bullets, they are the same and they are all 9mm Gold Dot bullets. Bonded bullets just rock, that is about all that can be said.

[DonGlock26]

Originally posted by spcwes
They will do fine, if you need to see them to the extreme look at the 9X25 bullets, they are the same and they are all 9mm Gold Dot bullets. Bonded bullets just rock, that is about all that can be said.


Man, thanks for the heads-up. Lookie what I found:


DoubleTap .357 Sig
125gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1450fps - 14.5" / .66"


155gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1275fps - 13.00" / .76"
165gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1200fps - 14.0" / .70"
180gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1100fps - 14.75" / .68"



DoubleTap 9X25
115gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1800fps - 10.0" / .64" frag nasty
125gr Gold DOt JHP @ 1725fps - 15.0" / .74"
147gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1550fps - 17.5" / .68"

For those who are asking, here it is!
-Mike



We like!~`c ~woohoo~ ~`c

[walpur6isknight]

i think i want to get a g31 and customize it. i used to have one with both barrels, it was a neat little gun, and i sold it to pay some unexpected expenses.
its a fun cartridge.
i had some problems with my g31 initially with some mags (possibly old 1 or 2 gen 40 high caps?)and wwb ammo as well. the mags were not metal lined inside and they werent leo/govt use only marked, so i assumed they were old mags.

i dont think this cartridge is going anywhere just yet.......

[Tang419]

Originally posted by spcwes
They will do fine, if you need to see them to the extreme look at the 9X25 bullets, they are the same and they are all 9mm Gold Dot bullets. Bonded bullets just rock, that is about all that can be said.


The gel. test isn't my concern. The 125gr Gold Dot, made specificly for the .357 SIG, is made to penetrate car doors, plywood, etc etc and still expand. I believe thats why the hollow tip is so shallow, to prevent deformation from going through said materials. It seems like to me, if the 9mm bullets are used, the deep cavity, will let the sides give and deform the bullets shape before reaching it's intended target. Sure, they will rock the Gel. , but will they go through a 1/2" sheet of plywood and then do it ?

I'm going to get the 147's and try them. I don't have access to Gelatin, but I do have a spare car. I will place my wet magazines in the car seat and shoot through the door, just to see what happens. I'll take pics ;f

[spcwes]

Originally posted by Tang419
The gel. test isn't my concern. The 125gr Gold Dot, made specificly for the .357 SIG, is made to penetrate car doors, plywood, etc etc and still expand. I believe thats why the hollow tip is so shallow, to prevent deformation from going through said materials. It seems like to me, if the 9mm bullets are used, the deep cavity, will let the sides give and deform the bullets shape before reaching it's intended target. Sure, they will rock the Gel. , but will they go through a 1/2" sheet of plywood and then do it ?

I'm going to get the 147's and try them. I don't have access to Gelatin, but I do have a spare car. I will place my wet magazines in the car seat and shoot through the door, just to see what happens. I'll take pics ;f

I have tried everything but a car door and the bullets work just fine. Just fired up a few this weekend. Used plywood, thick leather and a couple sheets of sheet metal and all worked just fine. Some were bent and deformed but all expanded some what and penetrated nicely.

The 115gr also did very well. Better than I had thought it would. I am pretty sure I will be carrying this round in my CCW. I hit sheet metal and went 9" and 11" and did one at about 13" through the leather and one with a tip that only opened on one side at 15"!

The 147s are smooth. I will look forward to my boar hunt coming up to run some good test on the 147gr! I will let you guys know. Oh, before I forget, the 115gr load ROCKED the 35lb gel block! Maybe more so than any round I have tested from a handgun.

[Neal]

Recently I have started carrying my Glock 35 with 357 SIG barrel, so I am anxiously awaiting news on how the DoubleTap 147 gr loads hold up at these velocities. Being this is a bullet designed for 9X19 velocities of around 900-1100 fps, I wonder how they will do at the estimated 1400 fps from my G35 bbl? My testing of Hornady 90 gr XTPs at 2000 fps out of a 9X25 Dillon proved that any jacketed HP bullet can be pushed out of it's velocity envelope enough to fragment like a varmit bullet, but just how much is "too much" velocity for a particular bullet can only be found by testing. Mike did not say anything about the 147s fragmenting in his testing, so I hope they hold up fine. Ah, the more I think about it while I sit here and type, the more I think I'll just order some and try them myself.

Edited to add: I see DoubleTap loads the 147 to 1550 (6" bbl) in the 9X25 Dillon....Holy Cow!

[Tang419]

Thanks spcwes, that makes me feel better. Now I still can't decided which grain...lol

[DonGlock26]

Originally posted by spcwes
I will look forward to my boar hunt coming up to run some good test on the 147gr! I will let you guys know.


Now, that will be interesting. Good luck on your hunting.;c

[spcwes]

Originally posted by DonGlock26
Man, thanks for the heads-up. Lookie what I found:

DoubleTap 9X25
115gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1800fps - 10.0" / .64" frag nasty
125gr Gold DOt JHP @ 1725fps - 15.0" / .74"
147gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1550fps - 17.5" / .68"

For those who are asking, here it is!
-Mike




This is all you need to know about the Gold Dot and the loads that it can push. I have found that for the most part the bullet will flatten out and look like a thick dime. They almost always kept all their weight in every test I have done to include the recent ones. The reason that Mike did not mention with the above loads except for the 115gr fragging is because they did not frag.

I have been wanting to get a barrel for my G35 as well but can't get any thoughts about it. I have asked but nobody responded so I am still looking. I would guess the 147gr will get over 1400fps but we will have to see. It will however hold up just fine if it got 1550fps with no frag.

[J.P.]

got video?

[spcwes]

Originally posted by J.P.
got video?

Actually now that you ask, I have about 19 or so mins of video composed and as soon as I can figure out everything on the program I purchased to try and put this to the net it will be posted.

I think most of the folks that do not do their own testing will be surprised to see what happens when some of the higher speed handgun ammo slams into the gel. It is fun to watch at the least for those that simply do not care about anything else.

[tggt05]

If you are using windows XP (or know someone with it) it has a very easy Movie Compressing Application built into it.

Looking forward to the video.

[spcwes]

Working on it now. I am also trying to edit it into smaller parts so I can keep it short. That will help so more folks can view it. This is a new learning process for me and I have to say it is fun! A soon as I can guys it will be online.

[DonGlock26]

Originally posted by spcwes
Working on it now. I am also trying to edit it into smaller parts so I can keep it short. That will help so more folks can view it. This is a new learning process for me and I have to say it is fun! A soon as I can guys it will be online.


spcwes,

Thanks for your effort!;c



Don