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jeremy54b
09-04-2005, 11:27
My mother approached me and expressed her wishes to purchase a handgun for home defense/personal protection after my youngest sister moves on to college. I suggested a DA-revolver, most likely a .357 stoked with .38s, a women-only handgun class and a .410 shotgun for the house. What do you ladies think of this? Any information or suggestions, or even personal experience choosing would be helpful. My mom is 50 and has limited handgunning experience.

vote Republican
09-04-2005, 20:16
I agree on the class, I'd let her try some guns before buying if possible to see what she likes. After she gets used to a .38 (if you go the revolver route) you should load her up with good defensive .357 mag ammo for carrying.

Not really sure how useful a .410 would be for home defense. Might be better to keep the handgun handy.

obxprnstar
09-06-2005, 17:15
Originally posted by vote Republican
Not really sure how useful a .410 would be for home defense. Might be better to keep the handgun handy. Best case is that just hearing the gun being racked the scumbag would go poo in his pants and run like the sissy he is for preying on a single woman.

Do they even make 00 buck for 410?

If not maybee a low count, like #1 or #2 pellet would be decent, although not prefered.

WI-Guy
09-06-2005, 18:39
seems light even for a little old lady.

You might consider a youth 20 or 16 pump shotgun. You get a little more bang, but it shouldn't be unmanageable.

And with the youth model, you get a smaller weapon that will fit her better.

Add a good light and the goblin won't even know it is a little old lady striking back!

You should be able to outfit her for less than a grand, even at MSRP!

jeremy54b
09-06-2005, 20:29
Do they even make 00 buck for 410?

Yup, sure do. I would much rather be missed by 12 gauge than hit by .410...ya know?


Thanks for the input all!

vote Republican
09-07-2005, 19:42
Originally posted by obxprnstar
Best case is that just hearing the gun being racked the scumbag would go poo in his pants and run like the sissy he is for preying on a single woman.

Do they even make 00 buck for 410?

If not maybee a low count, like #1 or #2 pellet would be decent, although not prefered.

Found on cheaperthandirt.com

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Product Description: .410 Gauge Shotshells, 3" Shell, 00 Buckshot, 5 Pellets, 25 Rounds Per Box

Remington 12:

Product Description: 12 Gauge Express Managed-Recoil Buckshot, 2-3/4" Shell, #00 Buck, 9 Pellets, 1200 fps, 5 Rounds Per Box

SilentGLOCK
09-16-2005, 19:56
A revolver is a poor choice compared to modern semiautomatics like the Glock. A shotgun may be very difficult for her or anyone to use in close quarters. I would keep a shotgun handy, but she would probably be better off with a Glock with extended magazine.



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jeremy54b
09-16-2005, 21:50
A revolver is a poor choice compared to modern semiautomatics like the Glock. A shotgun may be very difficult for her or anyone to use in close quarters. I would keep a shotgun handy, but she would probably be better off with a Glock with extended magazine.

I whole-heartedly disagree with this statement. A revolver is an excellent weapon for someone who is not a "gun person." First, it is utterly reliable. Second, it takes little or no preventative maintenance. Third, it goes bang every time and malfunctions are few and far between. There is no slide, no magazine, no limp-wristing, no FTE or FTF. If it doesn't go boom, you pull again and the cylinder rotates, giving you a fresh round. Not to mention in close quarters (like up against a body), a revolver will go bang every time, where a semi-auto pistol can be taken out of battery if the slide is pressed up against something.

Second, there is nothing short of a flamethrower that can beat a shotgun for HD purposes. All you have to do is rack, point and shoot.

The reasoning behind a revolver is not only the items above, but the fact that she is not going to shoot often enough to be proficient with a Glock, and isn't going to carry.

If revolvers are so bad, how come Clint Smith carried one for years and says that he would recommend a revolver to anyone? How come one of the fastest shooters in the world (Jerry Miculek) uses a revolver? How come two of the major departments in the country (LAPD and NYPD) for the longest time only authorized the duty weapon or a 2" .38 revolver for BUG and off-duty carry? How come a TON of LEO-types rely on a revolver as a BUG and off-duty gun?

No, one does not get the range with a revolver that they get with an auto and no, you don't get capacity. I will take shot placement over round count any day.

Eagle78101
09-25-2005, 17:56
A small revolver, like a 38, might be a good choice. Make sure she practices regularly at the range. Some people use their handguns as talismans and don't realize just having one isn't protection. They need to know how and when to use it.

And unfortunately, there are men who are threatened by women at the range. I've encountered a few of these clowns. Be sure to go with her the first few times she goes.

Good luck.

survive1999
09-27-2005, 22:17
I have a hard time breaking my Glock apart, let alone a 66 year old woman with arthritis trying to do that. She would never be able to cock and release the slide.

Revolvers are an excellent way to start off with firearms. The mechanism is "REALITIVELY" fool proof.

Point, click, boom! Repeat as necessary.

RonC
09-28-2005, 11:08
S&W even makes a gun special for this purpose, the Lady Smith.

reinbeau
10-15-2005, 18:13
Originally posted by survive1999
I have a hard time breaking my Glock apart, let alone a 66 year old woman with arthritis trying to do that. She would never be able to cock and release the slide.

Revolvers are an excellent way to start off with firearms. The mechanism is "REALITIVELY" fool proof.

Point, click, boom! Repeat as necessary. Arthritis is a serious consideration here - I'm only 49 and I've got it in my fingers! I can still manage my G23, but I can see there will be a day when I won't be able to.

c-mama
10-15-2005, 18:43
Originally posted by jeremy54b
A revolver is an excellent weapon 'nuff said ;)

I own a .357 Lady Smith. She takes .38 and .357. Shoots great. Nice trigger and not heavy.

I love her. ;3

http://www.busybeescrochet.com/images/ladysmith/65lshope.jpg

RonC
10-18-2005, 06:35
jeremy54B

Well said. I took my adult daughter to the range recently and was reminded of the difference in response to a misfire between a semi-auto and a revolver.

We had a couple of misfires with Federal 22 in a Buckmark. The slide is very difficult to cycle when the hammer is down. (practice, practice.) Granted, a 22 is harder to cock than most larger caliber pistols, but it still takes most of us two hands and some effort to do it.

With a revolver, just pull the trigger again. (and again. Repeat as necessary.)

Even never having shot a revolver before, she had no trouble shooting double action with very good accuracy. (S&W Model 10)

Mail Clerk
10-19-2005, 10:28
Originally posted by jeremy54b
My mother approached me and expressed her wishes to purchase a handgun for home defense/personal protection after my youngest sister moves on to college. I suggested a DA-revolver, most likely a .357 stoked with .38s, a women-only handgun class and a .410 shotgun for the house. What do you ladies think of this? Any information or suggestions, or even personal experience choosing would be helpful. My mom is 50 and has limited handgunning experience.


jeremy54b,

Make sure you start her off slowly and if you can have her shoot a 22 revolver first before you introduce her to the world of the 38's. I do not recommend the 357 magnum at all unless she has some years under her skirt/belt. Your suggestion of your mom using a revolver is wise. Simple and basic is enough for home protection. The usage of the 410 shotgun can be used. I've heard it's equivelant to a 44 special/magnum at house distances. Personally I'd rather have you mom stay with the revolver but I'm not you.

mitchshrader
10-24-2005, 17:21
I'm not a fan of the 410 in this instance, particularly, not because it's inadequate.

it's because it hasn't the effect, at in house ranges, of a shotgun.

the pattern is tiny. it might as WELL be a slug. OK, if it's what she wants and is happy with, but not what i'd recommend.

it depends a lot on her attitude, and physical strength. I'd think about the 'shorty' 12 gauge rounds, (very low recoil, much more intimidation factor in that huge hole pointed at you) in a lightweight short barreled shotgun.. and likely put birdshot as the first round..

and of course i don't think that's a 'good' home defense round, but at sub 10 yard ranges it's sure as heck gonna distract em long enough to rack a #4 buck round .. and it has the advantage of more spread ..

just my take on it. only 410 i ever shot much had way too tight a pattern up close to consider it a shotgun ..

and the revolver idea is right on. keep it simple, keep it safe. make sure she has a CUTE one, that she loves to shoot. buy her a case of ammo and a range card and some ear protection. Go Mom!

Mrs.Cicero
10-24-2005, 20:29
I'd take any gun over no gun at all (i can always use it as an impact weapon). Having said that, i'd take her to the range and let her try everything in sight, before you spend money on something that she may dislike enough not to use. Don't discount semi-autos out of hand. Try different models to see which slides she can work, and make sure you show her how to hold the slide and PUSH THE GUN. It makes a HUGE difference to a woman with smaller, weaker or arthritic hands.

For the record, i've managed to jam the cylinder of my revolver so that i only got off one shot and then it wouldn't turn...(and it took two guys with tools and much stronger hands than mine 10 minutes to fix), but i've never had a jam in my HKs that i couldn't clear myself (Tap, rack, bang! is my friend)...and i've put over 10,000 rounds thru one of them (i retired it from daily carry at that point, but i still use it for classes, etc). I find semi-autos more comfortable to shoot than revolvers, despite my stereotypically female antipathy for mechanical items whose workings i don't immediately understand.

My concern with using a shotgun for home defense is that an attacker could cover the distance between himself and the gun and knock it aside before she could shoulder and fire it. To a woman who doesn't shoot them regularly, shotguns are awkward. Additionally, it may not be easy for a "little old lady" to keep the shotgun shouldered for the duration. A handgun is lighter, shorter, and more easily held on target with one hand if necessary (I can't dial 911 while keeping a shotgun up, but its doable with my pistol). We do keep a 12 gauge in our house for home defense purposes, and i use it in 3 gun shoots and occasional classes, but in the real world, i'd grab my pistol first.

Just my $.02 Hope it helps and your mom enjoys the range!

Mrs.C

mitchshrader
10-24-2005, 20:59
darn. i just hate having a prejudice toppled..

might I ask WHAT revolver? curious only..

Mrs.Cicero
10-25-2005, 10:43
S&W 686 in .357

Mrs.C