Springfield XD Custom Pro

[Krag]

While I have used a custom G35 for USPSA for almost six years, I have to admit that Springfield Armory's new XD Custom Pro is everthing the G35 isn't - and many things more. Check out the new Shotgun News and see what you think?

[don't tread on me]

It's not the hammer , it's the carpenter! You can't buy skill! NEXT!

[Krag]

Don't tread - I agree. Robbie Leatham could probably whup me in a match shooting an H&R top break .32 revolver. What I'm saying is that Springfield offers their XD with all the extras most of us spend a lot of time and money having installed/modified on our Glocks.

It's too bad Glock doesn't offer full house custom pistols. :soap:

[don't tread on me]

Other than sights, 3 1/2 # connector and some grip tape, what more do you need to do to a Glock?
Tinkeritis isn't for everyone or a necessity, again, skill can't be bought!

[Krag]

You are obviously a very basic type shooter.;) I beg to differ, when it comes to competition the G35 can be improved in beau coups ways. I believe that Glock is making a big mistake ($ wise) ignoring that market segment.

[GlockSpeed31]

Maybe that is Gaston's BIG secret (a tricked out USPSA Glock) that he is a little late sharing with us! :)

GlockSpeed31

[Krag]

I would love to see one. Heck, I'd even be willing to provide suggestions as to the types of changes/additions needed. :cool:

In fact, I think my G35 would prove to be an excellent prototype.

[Krag]

Here it is:

[Krag]

I tried to post a close up photo of the pistol itself but the jpg file is too large. Sorry? :(

[don't tread on me]

Originally posted by Krag
You are obviously a very basic type shooter.;)
I appreciate that! Thanks for not including me w/ the people who add a bunch of after market parts hoping it will be a majical, snake oil, super cool, jamomatic pistol that will help bump them to a C class shooter!;)

[Fireglock]

Originally posted by don't tread on me
I appreciate that! Thanks for not including me w/ the people who add a bunch of after market parts hoping it will be a majical, snake oil, super cool, jamomatic pistol that will help bump them to a C class shooter!;)

Are you a C class shooter Scotty? ;f

[DaleGribble]

If the options don't have much influence on shooting why are there rules about the options?

[Flexmoney]

ahhh....likely because there is a perception that all that stuff helps out.

;)

[Krag]

If customizing the pistol doesn't really provide any real advantages, why don't all the hot shot, professional shooters use stock guns???

Just a thought........... ;f

[don't tread on me]

Originally posted by Krag
If customizing the pistol doesn't really provide any real advantages, why don't all the hot shot, professional shooters use stock guns???

Just a thought........... ;f

Dave Sevigny!!!! ..Think about that!

[Krag]

Originally posted by don't tread on me
Dave Sevigny!!!! ..Think about that!

Dave is without a doubt one of the country's greatest shooters but even he uses a "slightly" modified Glock. When he competes in USPSA it is usually in Production Division where the modifications allowed are strictly limited.

It would be interesting to see a shootoff with Dave with his Production Glock against Leatham or Jarrett with their tricked out Limited pistols? That would be a fair way to judge if using a modified pistol provided any real advantages or not?

[don't tread on me]

Originally posted by Krag
Dave is without a doubt one of the country's greatest shooters but even he uses a "slightly" modified Glock. When he competes in USPSA it is usually in Production Division where the modifications allowed are strictly limited.

It would be interesting to see a shootoff with Dave with his Production Glock against Leatham or Jarrett with their tricked out Limited pistols? That would be a fair way to judge if using a modified pistol provided any real advantages or not?
Well funny you should mention that! Here are the 2005 Limited 10 results. Do you think Leatham had any mods done to his gun? Dave used his G-35!


Also take a look at some of names in the top 17!!!


US_Open_Limited_10_Nationals
(also in plain text form)
Final results for Limited_10
Place Name USPSA Class Division PF Lady For Age Match Pts Match % Point Series
1 Dave Sevigny TY42164 U Limited 10 Major No No 1482.5463 100.00% No
2 Rob Leatham L684 GM Limited 10 Major No No 1474.4966 99.46% No
3 Emanuel Bragg L2476 M Limited 10 Major No No 1451.0647 97.88% No
4 Blake Miguez FY29399 M Limited 10 Major No No 1444.1710 97.41% No
5 Ron Avery A1503 M Limited 10 Major No No 1425.4954 96.15% No
6 Taran Butler L2354 GM Limited 10 Major No No 1403.1332 94.64% No
7 Esturado Gomez FY31996 U Limited 10 Major No Yes 1398.7283 94.35% No
8 Ted Puente TY42094 M Limited 10 Major No No 1391.0315 93.83% No
9 Phil Strader FY31992 GM Limited 10 Major No No 1387.8404 93.61% No
10 Mike Seeklander A30288 U Limited 10 Major No No 1385.4902 93.45% No
11 Roman Podlesak U Limited 10 Major No Yes 1372.4089 92.57% No
12 Michael Voigt RD4 M Limited 10 Major No No 1331.2195 89.79% No
13 Michael Burrell F42936 M Limited 10 Major No Yes 1316.5892 88.81% No
14 Kert Gaskill TY33364 M Limited 10 Major No No Senior 1307.1887 88.17% No
15 Mark Hanish TY34253 U Limited 10 Major No No 1305.3250 88.05% No
16 Doug Koenig A5804 U Limited 10 Major No No 1302.1079 87.83% No
17 Paul Clark Jr TY28779 M Limited 10 Major No

[Krag]

Very interesting. But was Dave's gun 100% stock or had it been modified? In L10 there are few restrictions on mods other than compensators or dot sights.

We have a shooter here in NC who has won the L10 division state championship with a G35 but it was a highly modified G35.

[Custom Glock Racing]

It modding a gun really does not do anything for you then why arnt people in Prod and Limited getting the overall match wins instead of Open shooters?

You cannot buy skill but a custom gun can give the shooter an edge and make shooting easier.

[don't tread on me]

I never expected to read THAT from a guy who sells race parts!!;g

Besides, I don't think uspsa does a combind results for the divisions, but if they did , I think you would be in for a few surprises!!

[don't tread on me]

Originally posted by Krag
Very interesting. But was Dave's gun 100% stock or had it been modified? In L10 there are few restrictions on mods other than compensators or dot sights.

Well how about 2003 production natls where Sevigny shot a G-34 and Leatham shot your beloved XD! I'm sure you realize that the XD offers many more features than the Glock, so it would almost be considered customized at the croatian factory! Correct?
Uhh notice the nearly 100 point cushion!


2003 US_Factory_Gun_Nationals

Final results for Production
Place Last Name First Name USPSA Class Division PF Lady Mil Law For Age Match Pts Match %
1 SEVIGNY DAVE TY42164 GM Production Minor No No No No 1509.9137 100.00%
2 LEATHAM ROBERT L684 GM Production Minor No No No No 1422.8398 94.23%
3 MINK* MATTHEW TY45298 B Production Minor No No No No 1245.6021 82.49%
4 LOVETT MILFORD TY4328 M Production Minor No No No No 1239.5742 82.10%
5 HOBDELL ANGUS TY41788 M Production Minor No No No No 1231.7156 81.58%
6 LUND ERIK TY24188 M Production Minor No No Yes No 1210.0281 80.14%
7 OLHASSO DAVID TY37700 GM Production Minor No No No No 1195.4434 79.17%
8 MILIONIS* PETROS FY30527 M Production Minor No No Yes No 1187.3907 78.64%
9 SINDELAR TODD TY28555 M Production Minor No No Yes No 1170.5555 77.52%
10 GRAY BRUCE L542 U Production Minor No No No No 1162.8868 77.02%
11 HAWKINS TONY L2485 A Production Minor No No No No 1160.7550 76.88%
12 EDWARDS LANCE TY22391 A Production Minor No No Yes No 1150.2496 76.18%
13 FLENTZ JOHN A23552 M Production Minor No No No No 1125.9529 74.57%
14 KETTELS TOM L465 M Production Minor No No Yes No Senior 1119.9222 74.17%
15 MARQUES DAVE A29786 A Production Minor No No No No 1100.3243 72.87%
16 SHERMAN* ROGER A38951 M Production Minor No Yes

[Krag]

Don't - the pistol I am talking about, the XD Custom Pro, is NOT the pistol Leatham shot at the 2003 Production match. As per USPSA rules he shot a factory stock XD Service Model. Dave won, Robbie came in 2nd. No argument there, nor is it germane to this discussion.

Comparing an XD Service Model to the Custom Pro is like comparing a Chevy Cavalier to a Corvette.

BTW, does this mean you agree that Dave did not shoot a STOCK Glock in the 2005 L10 Nationals?

And it's not my "beloved XD" in fact I don't own one anymore. For that matter I don't shoot Glocks in USPSA anymore either, having realized that Para-Ordnance pistols better suit my needs. :)

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Matt - how's it going? Long time no hear from. Hope all is well out there is sunny Arizona.

[MarkP]

I got a chance to shoot Rob's 9mm XD Tactical at a "open-house" event he hosted last year.

The XD I shot had BoMAr sights, trigger job, FO front , Robar finish on the slide and internals. IIRC , it was the same gun he campaigned at the '03 nationals . There was another XD set up for limited that had a prototype magwell , very cool.

First 6 shots on the plate rack were all hits - what a sweet gun that thing was.It acted as if it knew what to do as soon as I pulled the trigger without waiting for any input from me.

I'll have to find that SGN and see if it is the same thing.

[don't tread on me]

Originally posted by Krag


BTW, does this mean you agree that Dave did not shoot a STOCK Glock in the 2005 L10 Nationals?


As far as I know the only thing Dave does is put Heinie sights on. Last I heard he did not even use grip tape or a #3 1/2 connector!
I take some of this info from June 03 Front Sight magazine article.
No magwell, no fiber optic!
You would have to ask Dave if it is pretty much stock, I would bet so!

[Krag]

OK, right, sure, 10-4, uh huh,.........:cool:

One thing I like about using 1911s again, I don't have to try to convince people about how "stock" my pistol is. LOL

PEACE........;f

[MarkP]

Dave is using Warren Tactical Sights now

http://www.sevignyperformance.com/equipment.htm

[don't tread on me]

Originally posted by Krag
OK, right, sure, 10-4, uh huh,.........:cool:

One thing I like about using 1911s again, I don't have to try to convince people about how "stock" my pistol is. LOL


No kidding...everyone knows a 1911 won't run "stock" out of the box! That's the reason for the millions of 1911 after market parts and why gunsmiths recommend 1911's( job security)! I rest my case!;f

[Flexmoney]

Originally posted by Krag
It would be interesting to see a shootoff with Dave with his Production Glock against Leatham or Jarrett with their tricked out Limited pistols? That would be a fair way to judge if using a modified pistol provided any real advantages or not? [/B]

Well, I'm not Dave. I did win the shoot off at the 2004 Ohio match. I beat Phil Strader in the final. There were two other Grand Masters in the shoot off as well...along with some other good shooters.

Then I went up against the Open shoot-off winner (Ron Fransico). Ron beat me in the best two out of three runs. I thought I had him.

The setup was two racks of five plates each, two pepper poppers, and another plate as the stop plate. Mandatory reload required.

I was shooting a G35 in Limited (major). No magwell. Stock rod and spring. I have grip tape on it, Heinie sights and the 25 cent trigger job. It is Production legal.

Later that year, at the Open Nationals shoot-off, Ron knocked the World & Nationals Champion out in the first round.

Nothing wrong with a little bit of tweaking. And, nothing wrong with paying somebody to do the work if you don't like to do that yourself. I don't believe that a person needs to put a bunch of money into their gun, however. That money would probably be better spent on ammo and taking a class from Matt Burkett or the like.

Lately, I have been shooting a G22 in Production. I haven't done anything to it at all yet.

(Thanks for providing me an opportunity to brag on beating Phil in the shootoffs. :) He kicked my butt in the regular match, however. ;1 )

[Krag]

Don't - I might be misreading things but it seems you have some type of attitude? ;f

BTW, both of my Paras (an 18.9 LDA and 16.40 HiCap) are completely stock except for Dawson fiber optic front sights and polishing the internals. Oh, oh, now I'm starting to sound like.....oh never mind. ;)

I changed brands after using Glocks for a decade because I found I could shoot the Paras faster and more accurately. They have proven just as reliable as my Glocks (I have owned 11 Glocks!) but are more adaptable to a variety of disciplines.

I still think the XD Custom-Pro is a fantastic pistol and superior to the G35 for competition shooting. In fact, it's superior to my custom G35 for several reasons - and it cost less then I spent to build my G35.

'Nuff said. I'm outta here. Have a good day. ;Q

[MarkP]

I didn't read any "attitude" in Flex's post..

[TimP]

I know Krag. Me, dad, and lil brother shoot USPSA with him every month. He is the shooter he says he is. Yes its true glocks don't have some of the problems 1911's do, but I can still shoot my STI better than my G35. It just takes alot more money to get a STI up and running than a G35.

Like Matt said, you can't buy skill, but the right equipment will certainly not hurt.

[don't tread on me]

Originally posted by MarkP
I didn't read any "attitude" in Flex's post..
That attitude remark was aimed at me! And Krag is not misreading anything!

[Flexmoney]

Originally posted by MarkP
I didn't read any "attitude" in Flex's post..

I think the "Don't" part of Krags post was referring to "Don't Tread On Me", not my post. And, Krag did put a big smiley face on the end of his response. ?

[MarkP]

I stand corrected!

[bulm540]

Originally posted by don't tread on me
No kidding...everyone knows a 1911 won't run "stock" out of the box! That's the reason for the millions of 1911 after market parts and why gunsmiths recommend 1911's( job security)! I rest my case!;f
Hmmm ...I guess my factory SV is an exception, it ran from day one.

[Mtrclass]

We build a lot of Glock's and XD's and make a lot of the parts other shops use when building their guns. As a result we have a pretty good handle on what works and what doesn't......

The Glock are very reliable, especially if left stock. If you are able to pick thru a stack of brand new guns (or if you just get lucky) you can one that is fairly accurate right out of the box. Most respond very well to a fit match grade barrel, trigger work, and a better set of sights. However a 'good' stock one will get the job done easily at the Master class level, you just have to work a little harder.

The XD's are also very reliable out of the box, but still have a couple of weak spots. We have seen breakages of the trigger bar pin, and problems with the extractor. The loaded chamber indicator can also cause some problems so we recommend that our customer's remove them. We have also seen a problem with the front sights because of the very narrow dovetail. The trigger can be made very short and very light, much better then the Glock in my opinion. However the slide is a bit too heavy and the trigger guard extends down too low on the grip making it more diflicult to get a good high grip.

Shooting a stock XD to the Master class level is possible but would be much more work then with a good stock Glock. However, if you accept the idea that you are going to modify either gun then I think you end up with a better competition gun with the XD. Keep in mind that if you are good enough it doesn't matter what you shoot as long as it goes bang everytime you pull the trigger.

By the way, be careful how much you believe people when you hear them talking about their 'stock' guns. We build a lot of sleeper's for a lot of the big dog's..........