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Evan N. Payawal
09-12-2005, 21:32
This message came from Benj and K. Please pass on to your loved
ones

We were CARJACKED

Hey everyone!
Last Friday night, or September 9, 2005, at around 11-12
pm,my boyfriend and I were on the way home. When we
reached the stretch of Gilmore St., a green Sentra drove up
alongside the car and shone a spotlight on the driver's side,
presumably, to blind the driver and force him to stop. Then
they cut us off and three men armed with m16 rifles came
down and carjacked us. They took us somewhere then
transferred us to the Sentra They then took the car, a Honda
CRV. There were four men with my boyfriend and I in the
Sentra. They threatened us that if we didn't give the pin
numbers in our accounts, they would kill us. So we gave
them our pin numbers and they went around withdrawing our
money. They also took all the jewelry we were wearing and
our mobile phones. They dropped us off in Pasay sometime
around 2 am with nothing but the clothes on our back.
We're posting the message to warn everyone not to pass that
area and to watch out for these men. Apparently, this is not
the first time they have done this. In the past, they shot a
woman who tried to escape. So everyone, please take care.
We don't want what happened to us to happen to you.

Benj and K

This is not the only one. Mon Tulfo claims in his column there has been an upsurge in similar incidents this past few weeks, probably the same group. He even says he personally fought off an attempt on him some years back, with an FA. Buti pa siya may PTC.
Am sure the brilliant response of the police generals now will be to order a crackdown on LEGAL FIREARMS carried outside of residence.
STUPID TALAGA!

horge
09-12-2005, 23:00
In such a scenario, against three automatic rifles, no PTC can save you.
Drive well, drive smart, drive safely.


Is there any way to verify this incident?

Alexii
09-12-2005, 23:12
Is Benj the same guy posting here at the BOG? Any chance you know someone who knew the victims? Maybe we can gather more details and further study what took place.

maomanila
09-13-2005, 00:54
Many thanks for your post/alert, Evan.

I do not wish to burden you further, most especially after this unfortunate incident, but may I ask you some questions? Your answers will definitely go a long way in helping other motorists avoid being carjacked:

1. Where did you come from, before the carjack? (From a gasoline station, a mall parking lot, etc? I want to know if your CRV was chosen at random while already cruising, or natiktikan kayo when you rode your car.)

2. Where the carjackers the disciplined military type?

3. Were they using only the Sentra? Or were there other back-up cars?

4. Is the CRV darkly tinted?

Thanks and be well.

Evan N. Payawal
09-13-2005, 03:56
Sorry if you misundertood Mao, this message was forwarded to me by somebody who knew these people. Didn't happen to me. She is currently trying to confirm if it is true or not, but I find it believable because this is not the first time I've heard of these recent carjackings. It's prudent to be alert while driving.

Allegra
09-13-2005, 05:44
[QUOTE]Originally posted by horge
[B]In such a scenario, against three automatic rifles, no PTC can save you.

*******************************

A friend who was in a similar scneario said kayang kaya daw
He could have drawn and shot 3 BGs close range ( sa farm nila )
When I asked him why didnt he , he said he was scared s#$%tless to try nyahahaha

theTactician
09-13-2005, 10:12
yes, it really is futile to resist against armed robbers carrying automatic rifles and you're just carrying your glock (either equipped with full auto capability or stock)..

siguro mas maganda, specially those rich people who regularly go to the bank like clockwork should change their banking habits to avoid being watched and studied by these pricks.

another advice would be to be "mindful" of your surroundings when you go out of the bank, when you go out of your house, check your rearview mirror from time to time, try to look for something unusual like is there a car at your back which you see regularly when you go to work like you're being followed, or late at night when you park your car in your garage..always be alert ika nga.

Best weapon would be a "Hand Grenade" but its also dangerous on your part. i mean you have to be good in using it. Before these guys can jump on you, the minute they open their car door, assuming that you have already pulled out the pin...you throw it inside the car and blast your way out of the scene and watch their car explode. As a ball of fire engulfs the vehicle, of course some of these pricks maybe screaming as they're being burned alive with mangled bodies inside, you stop your car. take your glock out, im sure they can barely fire their automatic rifles on you coz they're in excruciating pain, then you give them each a double tap on their chests to ensure their deaths and send them to hell where they came from. hehehe.. Some imagination huh? well, i've watched too many movies..hehehe

Stay safe!

vega
09-13-2005, 16:39
Originally posted by theTactician
im sure they can barely fire their automatic rifles on you coz they're in excruciating pain, then you give them each a double tap on their chests to ensure their deaths and send them to hell where they came from.
Stay safe!

Ang sakit mo naman magsalita.;) You must have mean give them each a double tap to relieve them of their suffering.

vega

Benj
09-13-2005, 19:29
Originally posted by Alexii
Is Benj the same guy posting here at the BOG? Any chance you know someone who knew the victims? Maybe we can gather more details and further study what took place.

Nope, thankfully that's not me :) But I have heard of several instances, here's one I got recently via email:

Finally, I am able to get over my initial shock, and write about
my experience. The other Tuesday, Aug. 24, after the fellowship
following our regular club meeting, I was on my way home to
Filinvest I.



Around 12 midnight, my car (a late model Accord), was cut by
another car with blinkers, and **four men armed with armalites
aimed their guns at me,** and told me to open my door. First I
thought they were policemen in civvies who had mistaken me for
someone else, or whatever. But when they commanded me to board
their car and demanded my wallet and valuables, I knew they were
robbers and carjackers. To make a long story short, I was dropped
at Macapagal Avenue at around 3 a.m. of Wednesday, but not before
cleaning my ATM account, inflicting harm on my person, threatening
to kill me, and firing at me (with the intent of scaring me). And
of course, taking my Accord earlier).

Classmates, the following day (actually around 9 am of the same
day, Wednesday) I reported the incident to the Central Police
District. And lo and behold, I learned that so many incidents
(about a dozen or more since the beginning of the year) like what
I went through (remember, we are talking here of carjacking or
taking your car at gunpoint, not just simple carnappingt!) had
been taking place in and around the following areas:



1. Quezon Avenue underpass, crossing EDSA

2. Dark streets in the areas around Morato and around the West
Triangle

3. Some areas in the Teacher's village, etc.

4. Commonwealth -- although I understand that my case was the
first one on top of the overpass over Tandang Sora.

5. Some parts of EDSA - also in Q.C.



Another, and I just learned this later from non-police sources, is
the flyover from Libis, going to Katipunan, and also the underpass
tunnel connected to the flyover. (Here, as in the Quezon
underpass, the favorite manuever is to sandwich the victim's car
between two cars, one in front and the other behind.) Other
carjackings have also taken place in other parts of Metro Manila,
especially Pasig, but Q.C. is the epicenter of these incidents.



Favorite time of carjackers (as distinct from carnappers who take
vehicles while they are parked) is between 11 p.m. and 3 a.m.
although some carjackings are known to have taken place even
rgpcp> earlier.



The day after I was victimized, another similar incident took
place (probably by the same gang), with a 26 year old woman, the
daughter of an executive judge of Zambales, as the victim. She
tried to parry an armalite aimed at her and apparently, the gun
went off, hitting her on the thigh, shattering her femur. Let's
pray that she will recover soon, and that she will not lose her leg.



Before me, it has been rumored that the son of a high official of
the PNP was almost victimized, but for the fact that his driver, a
policeman himself, told the robbers he was a policeman, and that
his passenger is the son of this high official of PNP. (The
robbers had the temerity to ask for IDs of the two before letting
them go.) Other victims: a priest, a money changer, a couple with
a daughter, another couple, etc.



According to the police, even kidnappings are rising. Let's be
careful but not fearful. Let's inform our children about what's
taking place. And maybe suggest to them that, rather than go home
during those unholy hours (11 p.m. to 3 a.m.) better if they just
stay where they are or stay with a friend at his or her place,
rather than go through the no-man's land that is Q.C. (or parts of
it anyway!).

Wp.22
09-13-2005, 20:01
a supplier of ours was also victimized by car jackers. SHe picked up her cousins and visiting friends from abroad at the airport when they decided to try their luck at the nearby casino filipino in paranaque. She was driving her not so brandnew hand me down car from her boss and her cousin were on the other car. At around 2-3AM when they decided to go home her cousin drove first she was tailing them when suddenly another car cut her path and demanded for the car. But she resisted she backed the car and manuever and flooring the gas the BG fired at her using m16 she got hit in the shoulder. she's now recovering.

theTactician
09-13-2005, 20:13
Originally posted by vega
Ang sakit mo naman magsalita.;) You must have mean give them each a double tap to relieve them of their suffering.

vega

well said sir. hehehe...:)

kristiansen
09-13-2005, 22:14
if you're going to the bank,change your sked if possible.like lunch today,11am on next occassion and 2pm next etc.do not bring large sums of money in your person.or wear expensive jewelry etc.

if possible,refrain from being out in the critical hours and make a detour to avoid these places where reported carjackings/holdups occured.always maintain constant communication with people at home,your kids in school etc.,always remind your family,friends to be on alert everyday,especially when going out.just my 2 cents po.

s.g
09-14-2005, 00:51
Originally posted by Benj

Before me, it has been rumored that the son of a high official of
the PNP was almost victimized, but for the fact that his driver, a
policeman himself, told the robbers he was a policeman, and that
his passenger is the son of this high official of PNP. (The
robbers had the temerity to ask for IDs of the two before letting
them go.) Other victims: a priest, a money changer, a couple with
a daughter, another couple, etc.


I don't like the implication of this.

s.g
09-14-2005, 01:03
Originally posted by kristiansen
if you're going to the bank,....

There has been a conjecture in one of our local car-forums (sa goonsquad subforum) that you run a greater risk if you go to M_tr_b_nk.

Ingat na lang.

atmarcella
09-14-2005, 06:12
best defense:

try to outmaneuver the bg's, be alert, when someone hits you with a spotlight or tries to block your path, try to get away, even if you have a gun with you, even if its also an m16, try to get away first...........ako cguro the only instance i will get out and fight it out is "if", when trying to escape they spray us with bullets, and god forbid x2...x1 million....a loved one gets hit fatally, PUTANG INA NILA!!!! mag patayan na tayo, kahit na naka eskapo nako hihinto pa rin ako, at mag patayan na tayo.

a rant:

mga "PI" talaga mga tao na yon, they try to use their poverty or situation in life to justify what they do....i hope they burn in hell x1million.

ang gobyerno naman natin walang sikmura o lakas loob to implement the death penalty, that's why hindi nauubos ang mga masasamang tao na yan, haaaaaaaaaaaaaay buhay.......

batangueno
09-14-2005, 07:10
relaaaakssss, ang puso mo. ;f

btw, i totally agree with you.

kristiansen
09-14-2005, 07:18
Girl shot dead by robbers

First posted 07:29pm (Mla time) Sept 14, 2005
By Edson Tandoc Jr.
Inquirer News Service




A 1-YEAR-OLD girl was shot dead while her parents and a maid survived after four robbers blocked and opened fire at their car in Cainta, Rizal on Wednesday morning.

The family had just withdrawn money from a bank on Marcos Highway and was on its way home to Marikina City, Cainta Police chief Superintendent Gilbert Cruz said.

The fatality was identified as Erica Charlene Guevarra, daughter of Eric and Rosanna Guevarra.

Police said Eric was driving the vehicle, a Toyoto Revo, inside the UE Village in Barangay (village) San Isidro, Cainta, when the robbers blocked their path and opened fire.

A bullet hit the baby, who was on her motherís lap at the time, in the head.

The mother and the maid, who was seated at the back, were not hurt, but the father was shot in the left knee.



The robbers were able to flee with the money.

atmarcella
09-14-2005, 07:27
i rest my case...

doctabako
09-14-2005, 08:52
Signs of the Times. Hirap ng buhay ngayon, daming walang pera at trabaho, kaya nagwawala na naman ang mga gagong walang ibang alam gawin kundi magnakaw. Ingat na lang mga bro.

Assess the situation, calculate the risks. If you are armed, shooting it out is always an option(at times, even the first option) as a passive response(although called for in the face of overwhelming odds) isn't always the wise thing to do especially if the BG's are aggressive from the start. Be more confident of your abilities, kaya nga tayo nagdadala at nagpapapraktis e. Taking out multiple targets is doable as long as you keep your head(easier said than done, I know, but better than going down without a fight).

Unlike before, these thugs are desperate and don't care if they kill you in the process of getting what they want. The first few seconds of the event determine the outcome.

The best defense is practicing common sense and preventing yourself from being a target. Be aware of your surroundings. Stay away from high risk areas. Tama na muna yang gimik na magdamagan. Pag naubusan ng pera sa gimik, uwi na lang, hindi yung magwiwithdraw pa sa kung saang ATM.

Dapat kasi itumba na lang lahat ng mga tarantadong iyan pagnahuhuli at di na pinaaabot sa korte. The government should indeed have the balls to implement the Death Penalty as the jails are getting congested with these lowlifes as it is. The worst thing is that these criminals are sometimes let out of prison temporarily to do these jobs. :soap: Just my 2 centavos

toxic
09-14-2005, 09:22
Originally posted by batangueno
relaaaakssss, ang puso mo. ;f

btw, i totally agree with you.


;f ;f ;f ;f i agree too minsan kase kahit gano kahaba pisi at pasensya mo lalabas ang EVIL side. Its Flight or Fight.

I dont believe that "Poverty" is the major factor , why those guys do such things(im being a devils advocate here)..KATAMARAN yan...they just want to BIG Bucks-quick..but i give it to those guys..ang lalakas ng loob...Huh katakot..Pumarehas naman po sana tayo para lahat masaya.

From DocT...criminals are sometimes let out of prison temporarily to do these jobs. Just my 2 centavos

DocT..sama mo ko ng 2 more centavos..Ginagawa pong negosyo.....nge..katakot ule...

Allegra
09-14-2005, 09:41
Not exactly a crjacking but :

I was driving here in the province hiway around 2AM.
As I came upn a sharp curve , I saw a man lying on his side in the middle of the road ( his fat ass was the first thing I saw )
If this guy was a holdaper, sigurado patapon na buhay nya coz he was lying in the middle of the road on a blind curve
i almost ran over him, nag fishtail pa kotse ko kaiiwas
I continued on and reported sa nearest outpost ng lespu
Ayun na nga , modus operandi nila
Hihga sa kalye and wait for a victim to stop or crash then his crew will do the holdap

I had hoped a 10 wheeler would end his activities pero last I heard , na salvage nalang

vega
09-14-2005, 10:03
Originally posted by Allegra
, na salvage nalang
Darn, that was too good for him.

vega

mikey177
09-14-2005, 18:51
Salvaging was a waste of good ammo. A 10-wheeler would've been more fitting for the POS!

Anyway, regarding the poverty angle as a justification for crime... I think we have to make a distinction between these types of criminals. Personally, I think the really poor criminals are the ones robbing commuters and pedestrians at knife or gunpoint (using paltik firearms).

The criminals who use vehicles and long firearms to commit carjackings cannot be lumped together with the impoverished crooks because it costs money to acquire and maintain long guns, cars, spotlights, etc. The latter group also seem to be better trained and more organized, so I don't think that they can use poverty as an excuse for the wicked things they do. They are just plain evil IMO.

Needless to say, both types of criminals should feel the full force of the law or, if they have the misfortune of encountering an armed civilian, then may that responsible gun owner have the skill and resolve to hasten their journey to the netherworld!

Eye Cutter
09-14-2005, 19:10
Na feature kagabi sa Saksi yung mga carjacking incidents around QC.

Your best defense is still your car. The element of surprise works both ways. Pag may humarang/ mag-cut sa inyo, hit the car at an angle near the front door and front wheel well sideways. Disable the front tires. This may also prevent the car door from opening. Kung meron ipit sa likod, salpukin mo grill para mabasag yung radiator at mawalan ng coolant. Chances are, the evil guys magugulat rin and will not try to pursue.

mikey177
09-14-2005, 20:16
In connection with using the vehicle as a weapon, I suggest you check your insurance policy to make sure that "criminal acts" are covered under your contract.

In one thread at Tsikot.com, the father of a poster was threatened at gunpoint after he had withdrawn money from a Metrobank branch in Manila. He was about to board his van at that time, and he tossed the money to the BGs so they wouldn't bother him anymore. However, instead of leaving him alone, they attempted to shoot him so he dove for cover behind his van. The van suffered a number of bullet holes and the guy's driver was wounded and rushed to the hospital.

To add insult to injury, the insurance company said it would not cover the expenses for the repair of the van as the damages were incurred as a part of a crime. What BS :(

Here is the link to the thread at Tsikot (http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21793&page=1) and here is a sample of the damage done to the van:

Chie
09-14-2005, 21:12
Would you guys believe a friend of my dad was victimized there twice???

1st incident was a day after his b-day last year. He was driving home to QC on his bnew Camry at around 11 pm along Gilmore, a heavily tinted van rode along his side (probably to check how many passengers are inside the car) then suddenly cut him off. 3 BG's donning m16's went down and aimed their guns ;P at him, they ordered him to transfer to the van while one of the BG's hopped on the Camry & sped off. He was blind folded when he got in the van, the BG's took his rolex, wallet & cell phone. The BG's dropped him off somewhere after driving around for 3 hours.

After reporting the incident to the authorities, he was still scared s***less ;0 because all the important docs including bank statements were in the Camry & for sure the BG's will know his worth. So, he employed a bodyguard. Even with his bodyguard around he still did not leave home unless he really has to.

Everything started to normalized until..... (HERE'S THE PUNCH LINE!)

Exactly a year after he was on his way home on board his Exped with his wife and sister in-law along Gilmore, he was again cut-off by a van & again 3 BG's went down the van and aimed their guns at them & ordered them to transfer to the van (WHAT SURPRISED MY DAD'S FRIEND WAS THAT THE BG'S KNEW HE HAD A GUN WITH A PTC BUT WAS'NT PACKING AT THE TIME... THE BG'S KEPT ON ASKING HIM WHERE'S THE GUN)... As soon as they boarded the van all 3 of them were blind folded, & the BG's drove them around for hours, dropped off the ladies first then my dad's friend last. (I GUESS THE BG'S WANTED TO GREET HIM A ;x!

Talk about being at the wrong place at the wrong time ^9 !!!

doctabako
09-14-2005, 23:03
Originally posted by Eye Cutter
Na feature kagabi sa Saksi yung mga carjacking incidents around QC.



Why are these crimes mostly at or near the QC area? Is it just a coincidence that the military and police camps are there? Traffic and the wider roads can't be the reason as the incidents happen on the wee hours of the morning and there are few cars around.

About 20 or so years ago(when I was still in school), when carjacking was also rampant, my mother was a victim of this. While going home late from a social event and less than a hundred meters from our townhouse(then) near the Gilmore-Santolan area(part of San Juan), a car rear-ended our month old Mits Lancer(back then, it was the favorite target)which was the Modus Operandi in those days. Predictably, the driver stopped and checked the damage, only to be led back inside the car at gun point(just pistols, this time). The thugs drove them around divesting them of all valuables and threatening harm if they reported the incident and dropped my mom and driver off somewhere in Pasay(they even gave her taxi money, from her own purse of course :().
My mom described the perps as decent looking and the one who was seemingly in charge even spoke good English and had excellent manners even ;P. Their hair were closely cropped and had an air of being military or police personnel according to her. We reported this to the Police and needless to say, nothing came out of it and the car was eventually replaced by the insurance company.
Damn those people, I say kill 'em all when you have a chance. They wouldn't be missed and its for the greater good.

Chie
09-15-2005, 01:02
Originally posted by doctabako
I say kill 'em all when you have a chance. They wouldn't be missed and its for the greater good.

+1 ;I

just as long as they are the real perps! We all know what happens if authorities cannot or will not do their job!

atmarcella
09-15-2005, 01:15
i totally agree that they're evil, tamad and not poor...m16's are expensive!!!

napinap
09-15-2005, 02:22
P!T!NG INA NILA!!!! mag patayan na tayo, kahit na naka eskapo nako hihinto pa rin ako, at mag patayan na tayo.

+1

fwiw, we really need someone as sensitive as this guy...

DAILY MIRROR

(DAVAO CITY)Thursday, September 15, 2005 Archives

Scavenger gang terrorizing city's garbage truck drivers
A group of scavengers is terrorizing the city's garbage truck drivers as they make their way to the city dump in barangay Carmen, forcing them to stop seven kilometers from their destination and scouring through the trucks contents and leaving a stinking mess in their wake.

Mayor Rodrigo Duterte, angered by the report, cursed the group and told its members to be careful. Putang ina ninyo, mag-ingat kayo sa akin, ihawon ta mo (You be careful, I'll butcher you)! he said.

The drivers had complained to Duterte that a group of scavengers would flag down their trucks seven kilometers away from the city dump and run through the trucks cargo to get what they want.

If the drivers do not stop, the group would throw rocks at the trucks and even fire bullets at them using improvised guns (sumpak).

City Environment and Natural Resources Office (CENRO) officer-in-charge Ann Victoria Silvosa told the Mirror the trucks are flagged down forcibly by a community of scavengers in New Valencia up to Carmen between 12 mid-night and 3 a.m.

She said the drivers are usually alone since the attendants stay behind for the next round of collection.

It is a community of scavengers. They break the headlights and windshield if the drivers will not stop. The drivers are helpless and are forced to stop and they cannot proceed to the dump site until these people are finished looting the garbage, Silvosa said.

As a result, Silvosa said, the trucks are delayed in their collection because they are not allowed to leave until the looters are finished.

Silvosa said the community of scavengers are also armed with improvised guns.

Duterte said he plans to personally ride one of the trucks in order to accost the gang. Nagplano ko mou-ban sa truck one night. Patyon ko nang lima pagkahuman ilubong (I'm planning to ride one of the trucks one night. I'll kill five of them and then bury them), he said.

Duterte said he has also coordinated with the police to commission some personnel to drive the trucks to catch the gang members. Pag nadakpan, ilubong nga sekreto, uban sa basura (If they are caught, bury them secretly along with the garbage), he said.

I told the police to secretly drive a truck at night. When they (gang members) flag them down, pusila! Dalha ug sikreto didto uban sa basura ilubong (shoot them! Then take them secretly to the garbage dump and bury them), he said.

Duterte said he does not subscribe to the use of poverty as an excuse for committing crimes.

Source: EDITHA Z. CADUAYA

theTactician
09-15-2005, 04:46
Originally posted by kristiansen
Girl shot dead by robbers

First posted 07:29pm (Mla time) Sept 14, 2005
By Edson Tandoc Jr.
Inquirer News Service




A 1-YEAR-OLD girl was shot dead while her parents and a maid survived after four robbers blocked and opened fire at their car in Cainta, Rizal on Wednesday morning.

The family had just withdrawn money from a bank on Marcos Highway and was on its way home to Marikina City, Cainta Police chief Superintendent Gilbert Cruz said.

The fatality was identified as Erica Charlene Guevarra, daughter of Eric and Rosanna Guevarra.

Police said Eric was driving the vehicle, a Toyoto Revo, inside the UE Village in Barangay (village) San Isidro, Cainta, when the robbers blocked their path and opened fire.

A bullet hit the baby, who was on her motherís lap at the time, in the head.

The mother and the maid, who was seated at the back, were not hurt, but the father was shot in the left knee.



The robbers were able to flee with the money.



IF I WAS THE FATHER (eric), HOPE IT NEVER HAPPENS TO ME, I DONT THINK I WILL EVER FIND IT IN MY HEART TO FORGIVE THEM. I WILL PERSONALLY MAKE IT MY MISSION IN LIFE TO FIND THESE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE AND I WOULDNT CARE BY THEN EVEN IF HEAVEN WONT ACCEPT ME ANYMORE COZ OF WHAT I INTEND TO DO WITH THEM. ITS LIKE THIS..."I WILL NOT BURY MY SON..MY SON WILL BURY ME". I WILL FIND THEM NO MATTER WHAT IT TAKES.

I WILL END UP BEING A VIGILANTE, SAY WHAT YOU WILL, BUT I WILL TAKE THEIR LIVES EVEN IF I HAVE TO DRINK THEIR BLOOD AND EAT THEIR FLESH.

SO SORRY TO HEAR WHAT HAPPENED TO ERIC...

9MX
09-15-2005, 05:25
Originally posted by napinap


I told the police to secretly drive a truck at night. When they (gang members) flag them down, pusila! Dalha ug sikreto didto uban sa basura ilubong (shoot them! Then take them secretly to the garbage dump and bury them), he said.


oh yeah!!!!!!!!!

;z

theTactician
09-16-2005, 21:48
what we need are fearless VIGILANTES...
BOGS vigilantes..hehehehehe:)

vinsdr
09-17-2005, 06:41
Originally posted by atmarcella
best defense:
a rant:

mga "PI" talaga mga tao na yon, they try to use their poverty or situation in life to justify what they do....i hope they burn in hell x1million.

ang gobyerno naman natin walang sikmura o lakas loob to implement the death penalty, that's why hindi nauubos ang mga masasamang tao na yan, haaaaaaaaaaaaaay buhay.......


i totally agree. ang problema rin po ay ang mga so called human rights activists. the death penalty is against human rights daw.you know what i think? i think they have not been victims yet of heinous crimes, that's why. what if, their daughters were the victims of rape, their family butchered like animals, etc. what then? will they still clamor for "human rights",and shout: "no! to the death penalty!", etc? i dont think so. haaaaaaaaaaaaaay buhay.

Alexii
10-18-2005, 07:03
Let's resurrect this thread in light of today's rampant cases of carjackings.

A few days ago, a doctor friend of ours was shot ten times by four men as he was about to board his Ford Everest after he stepped out of the Shell Select at Congressional Avenue. It was 8:15 in the evening. It was still unclear whether he fought off his attackers or they just opened fire on him. They took the vehicle and all his belongings and left him for dead.

Last word we gathered was he's still in the ICU recovering from injuries to the head, abdomen, and legs.

Ingat sa paglabas-labas mga bro, madami nang mga walang-awang pumapatay ngayon para magka-pera.

vega
10-18-2005, 08:04
Time to ressurect the "Secret Marshalls".

vega

9MX
10-18-2005, 08:51
i want my permit to carry:(

i_am_infinity
10-18-2005, 12:11
Originally posted by 9MX
i want my permit to carry:(

it's supposed to be our right to protect ourselves...12k for a PTC is crap and it's a license for the criminals to do as they will...we should file a protesdt against the price of the PTC. excuse me at walang personalan....pero if u ask me i don't trust any POLICE officer!!!! hindi Civilian ang mga tumitira na yan...parang presidente natin yan mga yan eh...garapalan ang pagnakaw sa mga tao!! may u all burn in hell!!!!!


is there any way we can fight for our rights to have our PTCs with the proper fees? sabi ni lomibao privilege daw un hindi right!!! i say it's our right to protect our loved-ones, property, and selves!!!! :steamed: ;6 PWEH!!!!!

charlie-xray
10-18-2005, 17:34
Anybody legally knowledgeable here about Right to Self Preservation hindi ba sa pagkaka-intindi ko our right to bear arms is equivalent to protect our selves and our interest cum our properties.

12K for a PTC is steep yes, but how about our situation that we'd only be available in Manila area for a month or two in a year luging-lugi naman yata kami if we'd have to pay for the whole year na wala naman kami riyan. Sana meron silang graduated scheme na kung ilang months mo lang kailangan, yun lang ang babayaran mo no questions asked as long as you are a legal gun owner.

I still say our Right to Bear Arms is paramount.


Originally posted by i_am_infinity
it's supposed to be our right to protect ourselves...12k for a PTC is crap and it's a license for the criminals to do as they will...we should file a protesdt against the price of the PTC. excuse me at walang personalan....pero if u ask me i don't trust any POLICE officer!!!! hindi Civilian ang mga tumitira na yan...parang presidente natin yan mga yan eh...garapalan ang pagnakaw sa mga tao!! may u all burn in hell!!!!!


is there any way we can fight for our rights to have our PTCs with the proper fees? sabi ni lomibao privilege daw un hindi right!!! i say it's our right to protect our loved-ones, property, and selves!!!! :steamed: ;6 PWEH!!!!!

jasonub
10-18-2005, 18:14
i need a greanade launcher permit;f

horge
10-18-2005, 18:51
I still say our Right to Bear Arms is paramount.

RBA/RKBA? Here?
I'm afraid there is no such animal.

There is no Filipino right to keep arms,
moreso to bear them.

What we have in the Philippines is clearly and legally a privilege,
extended by the State in recognition of a natural right
to self defense.

12-18k a year comes down to PhP1,000 to PhP1,500 a month.
If your lifestyle and travel patterns create a high risk for
carnapping/carjacking, then you have to decide whether your
present behavior is worth that 1-1.5k a month extra to sustain.
Likely it isn't, so change your behavior and patterns. Welly cheap.

Consider ALSO that PNP-FED isn't likely going to be issuing PTCFOR's
for automatic weapons, and packing a pair of 9/40/45 peashooters
won't avail you much against multiple, coordinated and trained
attackers armed with automatic rifles.

Talagang hindi. I don't care what you're clocking on your splits, or how
high your score at the last Stage III woulda-shoulda-coulda been.
Cardboard doesn't shoot back and carjackers don't politely restrict
themselves to your front 90, etc., etc.. blah... blah... mutter...
We're not talking about two-bit muggers or akyat-bahay hoodlums here.
We're taking about systematic carjack by highly-trained, heavily armed Pro's.

I'm NOT dissing racers --they stand a better chance in a firefight than most.
I'm NOT saying we shouldn't be packing, either.
I'm just saying we should know realistically what we can accomplish.



No matter how we arm ourselves, there really ARE such things as
fatal, insurmountable disadvantages. Avoid them.

There ARE also unavoidable, fatal, and insurmountable disadvantages.
For those, perhaps there is dying well and dying hard, with honor.


horge

9MX
10-18-2005, 18:52
Originally posted by i_am_infinity
sabi ni lomibao privilege daw un hindi right!!!

actually, he got that from our super supreme court's ruling:soap:

ps. pm me again your cell no. or text me nalang:cool:

Eye Cutter
10-18-2005, 22:24
hehehe...

bravo, horge!

;?

(change that to a Philippine flag!)

horge
10-18-2005, 22:56
http://tinypic.com/ereyjn.gif

Right back at'cha.

Eye Cutter
10-18-2005, 22:59
http://tinypic.com/ereyjn.gif

;f

batangueno
10-18-2005, 23:15
Si DocEC hindi maka-carjack 'yan. Sa bilis magpatakbo hindi aabutan ng carjackers. ;f

maomanila
10-18-2005, 23:17
Mga kapitbahay,

Let's take for granted that a PTC is affordable, and we already have one.

So I am packing my Glock 21 or SWS 686. So I am driving home tonight along Congressional avenue. Then a car cuts me, and another blocks my rear. Within a split second, 4 armed men alights, and points their 45s and M16s at me.

I have been in the shooting sport for more than 10 years. Right, I shoot cardboards and paper and cans and papayas and coconuts. Heck, I can hit with my Glock a can of hunts pork and beans from 10 yards. I can fire off 13 rounds unto the trunk of a coconut tree within seconds.

Tonight, murderous scalawags are 4 feet away.

What to do? Honestly? Realistically?

We are in these dangerous times.

Gumagalang,

Mao.

PMMA97
10-19-2005, 00:47
Originally posted by maomanila


Tonight, murderous scalawags are 4 feet away.

What to do? Honestly? Realistically?


Choose your battles..itaas ang kamay! Iwagayway ;g

toxic
10-19-2005, 01:17
In that type of situation ..if you still want to live longer ..SUKO..ibigay ang gusto.
Kung armored naman car mo ..ist gear Brooom Sagasaan mo..

wally0616
10-19-2005, 01:43
I heard over ABS-CBN TV Patrol World (simulcast broadcast over the AM band)yesterday that a certain chief of Quezon City's Traffic Management group was relieved off his position due to these unsolved carjacking cases at Q.C. I believe these cases were reported to proper autorities right after every incident happened. Kawawa naman tayo, up to now those BGs are still out happily doing their evil works.

it seems na walang na tayong pupuntahan:
1. ride the public transport - hol-uppers and snatchers will feast on you.
2. ride your private car - carjackers naman!!,(and some traffic enforcers too).

Tila yata ang ating mga awtoridad ay natutulog sa pansitan o sadyang madulas ang mga kalaban dahil may kinakapitan? ;P

mc_oliver
10-19-2005, 02:12
Haaay, kaya ako magsi-singapore na lang. At least dun asawa ko lang mangho-holdup sa akin. Pede ko pa i-alay katawan ko. ;f;f;f;c

9MX
10-19-2005, 02:17
Originally posted by maomanila
Mga kapitbahay,

can hit with my Glock a can of hunts pork and beans from 10 yards..

my friend ako, kaya yan, sub-second from draw position;f

atmarcella
10-19-2005, 02:27
Originally posted by maomanila
Mga kapitbahay,

Let's take for granted that a PTC is affordable, and we already have one.

So I am packing my Glock 21 or SWS 686. So I am driving home tonight along Congressional avenue. Then a car cuts me, and another blocks my rear. Within a split second, 4 armed men alights, and points their 45s and M16s at me.

I have been in the shooting sport for more than 10 years. Right, I shoot cardboards and paper and cans and papayas and coconuts. Heck, I can hit with my Glock a can of hunts pork and beans from 10 yards. I can fire off 13 rounds unto the trunk of a coconut tree within seconds.

Tonight, murderous scalawags are 4 feet away.

What to do? Honestly? Realistically?




We are in these dangerous times.

Gumagalang,

Mao.


if you can run....put the pedal to the metal and run, if you cant and one car is in front of you the other at the back....surrender, give them what they want....just dont let them rape your wife while you watch, seriously, i would rather fight and die than watch...even if he has a gun to my head...i will fight.......if you kinda got away and the 2 cars are behind you and you can no longer run bcos of traffic or something.....make a stand, use your car for cover and make a stand.....that's what i'll do.

Alexii
10-19-2005, 02:32
Let me share some of the things I learned through the years. The vehicle itself is a more valuable defensive tool than any firearm if we vigilantly follow some guidelines:

1) Make sure you can see the rear tires of the vehicle in front of you. This guarantees room to maneuver your vehicle out of the initial line of fire and make a hasty escape when the attackers are on foot. If escape is not possible, at least the position of your vehicle changed (even for a few feet) and consequently forcing your attackers to adjust to your new position. This not only buys you additional seconds but you just forced them to come to you. It may very well change the nature of the fight.

2) As much as possible, avoid driving next to a curb/concrete barrier. Car sandwich, anyone? This is the reason why carjackers prefer two lane flyovers such as the Rosario/Ortigas flyover. There just isn't any room to maneuver! Couple that with sparse nighttime traffic and you have a carjackers' Guaranteed Employment Act.

3) If you decide to ram the blocking vehicle, do so with moderate speed and at an angle. Hit the rear end because it is the lighter end of a vehicle and therefore easier to ram out of the way.

Some other considerations we need to ponder on:

-vehicle windshield and glass deflects bullets to a degree depending on the angle of entry, both ours and the attackers.

-a vehicle engine area is an excellent cover. Scrunch down while making an escape.

-V8 beats .45ACP ten times out of ten according to Louis Awerbuck. I agree. For most of us, I'm sure 16 valves will do. Run them flat!

-if you must shoot, remember to let your front sight be your guide.

Ingat, brother BOGs. Just my .02 pesos worth.

st. matthew
10-19-2005, 02:41
guys, the question is? ano ang dapat natin gawin para mahinto ito?
:) ;f ^8

atmarcella
10-19-2005, 03:18
immigrate....i'm not kidding.

s.g
10-19-2005, 05:05
Questions po.

Say for example that I'm driving either a toyota corolla or a honda city, ie, Japanese cars. Alam naman natin lata lang 'to, di ba?

How do I ram either forward or backward without damaging my car to the extent that I can't drive away? Baka kasi pag binunggo ko sasakyan sa harap or likod ko, mayupo masyado yung car ko to the point na hindi ko na din mai-drive paalis?

Salamat po!

:)

Alexii
10-19-2005, 05:23
Originally posted by s.g
How do I ram either forward or backward without damaging my car to the extent that I can't drive away? Baka kasi pag binunggo ko sasakyan sa harap or likod ko, mayupo masyado yung car ko to the point na hindi ko na din mai-drive paalis?

Hello sigfred-- I'm no way by any means a car expert but the chances of damaging your car to the point that the engine will die down would be significantly lower if you use the corners of your car as ramming points (where the headlights are). I don't know if a busted radiator would stop a car instantly but I'd minimize contact with the center front as much as possible to maximize the chances that the car won't die on me.

vega
10-19-2005, 08:35
Originally posted by atmarcella
immigrate....i'm not kidding.
Ginawa ko na nga.

vega

vimanas
10-19-2005, 16:27
mayrun din carjackers sa ortigas flyover? madalas pa naman me dumaan dun ah and parati pa late hours like 10pm or so ...

I saw in the news today that these carjackers are cannibalizing the vehicles right here in Manila, not the usual notion na dinadala kaagad sa province.

maybe those metal railing robbers are carjackers also, you know the one who steal steel railings from flyovers. nakakagulat kasi halos maubos na yun ibang flyovers with steel railings like the one in Ayala.

mc_oliver
10-19-2005, 17:29
Sad to say but car-jackings can happen anywhere, kahit nasa parking ka na ng bahay mo. Best to stay alert always. ;)

Anybody know kung yung mga sasakyan with airbags mey engine cut-off din kung mag-deploy yung bags?

mikey177
10-19-2005, 18:41
You might want to check out this site by Advanced Driving and Security. If you scroll down the page, there are some good articles on vehicle security and carjacking (http://www.1adsi.com/Articles.htm).

Also, mc_o raised a good point about airbags and engine cut-off systems. If you're ever going to use your vehicle to ram something, be sure you're prepared for a possible airbag deployment due to the impact. Now, if said vehicle has an engine cut-off that kicks in after a collision, then that should be taken into consideration too.

My suggestion: buy a Kia. I've never heard about Kias being targets for a carnapping ;f

Allegra
10-19-2005, 19:53
Originally posted by maomanila
Mga kapitbahay,

Let's take for granted that a PTC is affordable, and we already have one.

So I am packing my Glock 21 or SWS 686. So I am driving home tonight along Congressional avenue. Then a car cuts me, and another blocks my rear. Within a split second, 4 armed men alights, and points their 45s and M16s at me.

I have been in the shooting sport for more than 10 years. Right, I shoot cardboards and paper and cans and papayas and coconuts. Heck, I can hit with my Glock a can of hunts pork and beans from 10 yards. I can fire off 13 rounds unto the trunk of a coconut tree within seconds.

Tonight, murderous scalawags are 4 feet away.

What to do? Honestly? Realistically?

We are in these dangerous times.

Gumagalang,

Mao.




hehehe
Realistically wala. I doubt you have time to raise your hands
Kasi unless you face these kind of situations everyday, nashoshock at maging in denial pa utak mo , baka mga 5 seconds ka pa maka react

And since they may be expecting some resistance , they'll be ready to shoot you dead if they see you make a grab for your pistol

ok lang yun, ibigay ang car ,di ka naman papatayin
magandang experiece din naman yung maholdap pa minsan minsan

s.g
10-19-2005, 20:44
Originally posted by Alexii
Hello sigfred-- I'm no way by any means a car expert but the chances of damaging your car to the point that the engine will die down would be significantly lower if you use the corners of your car as ramming points (where the headlights are). I don't know if a busted radiator would stop a car instantly but I'd minimize contact with the center front as much as possible to maximize the chances that the car won't die on me.

Thanks Alexii!

:)

PMMA97
10-19-2005, 23:16
Originally posted by mc_oliver

Anybody know kung yung mga sasakyan with airbags mey engine cut-off din kung mag-deploy yung bags?

I once owned a V6 Grand Vitara that when the airbag deployed the engine automatically shut. It even had an auto-cut off if you happened to go into an accidental spin.

PMMA97
10-19-2005, 23:18
Originally posted by Allegra
hehehe

magandang experiece din naman yung maholdap pa minsan minsan

Huwag lang kakatayin paminsan minsan ;g ;f

mc_oliver
10-19-2005, 23:58
Originally posted by PMMA97
I once owned a V6 Grand Vitara that when the airbag deployed the engine automatically shut. It even had an auto-cut off if you happened to go into an accidental spin.
Syet! Anybody have a spare CRV we can test? ;f

mikey177
10-20-2005, 00:23
Originally posted by mc_oliver
Syet! Anybody have a spare CRV we can test? ;f

Just ask the Honda casa technicians. I'm sure they'd know what features are included in the local CRVs.

gunfool
10-20-2005, 01:54
haaay.... buti na lang bulok na ford lynx ko, so am sure di na to pag-i-intirisan.....;f

maomanila
10-20-2005, 02:00
Okey lang naman ibigay yung kotse ko. Insured naman yan eh.

But how about my balels??? Yung G21 ko 3 months pa lang, yung S&W 686 nung friday ko lang nakuha. Ang bango-bango pa. And these punks will just get my balels? Swerte naman nila. PI sila no. :(

PMMA97
10-20-2005, 02:23
Originally posted by mc_oliver
Syet! Anybody have a spare CRV we can test? ;f

This is really interesting. I better ask around the automotive forums.

toxic
10-20-2005, 03:43
Originally posted by mikey177
You might want to check out this site by Advanced Driving and Security. If you scroll down the page, there are some good articles on vehicle security and carjacking (http://www.1adsi.com/Articles.htm).

Also, mc_o raised a good point about airbags and engine cut-off systems. If you're ever going to use your vehicle to ram something, be sure you're prepared for a possible airbag deployment due to the impact. Now, if said vehicle has an engine cut-off that kicks in after a collision, then that should be taken into consideration too.

My suggestion: buy a Kia. I've never heard about Kias being targets for a carnapping ;f

In the British SAS VIP escort traning(series i saw at discovery) ..SAS operatives disables the air bag and engine shut off system they said for the simple reason they dont want to be caught in an ambush with a dead engine and airbags infront of the drivers face.
Operatives also narates that the best way to protect VIP in an ambush situation is to speed off . in case there is a car infront of the ambushed vehicle , do not hit the car straight on ..hit the car at the wings . Front : before the front wheel, Back : after the back wheel to make it move just a little , giving you a small space to drive thru and speed off.
This is what i like ..SAS narates even if you are well prepared, well trained and well armed..do not put your lives and the lives of your passenger in danger by engaging in a gun fight..you can shoot a couple of rounds just to make the ambushers aware that you are also armed and making them think twice to go near your car, giving you the chance to speed off and survive the ordeal.

ego1911
10-20-2005, 09:31
Buti na lang 9-year-old na car ko, and I don't have to worry about car jacking siguradong walang mag kaka interest dito;z ;z ;z Next year I'm planning to sell my two cars and buy a new one siguro yung mumurahin na lang para di rin pag interesan:cool: :cool: :cool:

cznayr
10-20-2005, 18:25
Pasali ulit sa kwentuhan mga tsong, it's been a while..

I've heard about the carjackings.. and the PTC is a little more affordable now.. but still a friend of a clooeague of mine here at where I work was shot first (6 times) before they took off with the vehicle... CRV din brand new.... They got off, ewan ko lang kung gumana yung cut-off that they were mentioning in the early responses to this thread. May I attached a briefer from the IOM-SSU for these incidents? Anyway, i-post ko na rin.

cznayr
10-20-2005, 18:34
For those who want to see the briefer..

mikey177
10-20-2005, 19:11
Thanks for posting that security bulletin, cznayr.

They made a good point about having the vehicle plate number etched on the windshield and windows. Aside from these places, I also had my plate number etched on my side mirrors. While these etchings may not prevent the theft of the vehicle, it will make it harder to dispose of the vehicle as a whole. Kung di maiiwasan na makuha ang sasakyan mo, pahirapan mo na lang yung *!!@#%$ na magnanakaw sa pag-dispose ng unit :(

atmarcella
10-21-2005, 03:03
sa akin ok lang kung kunin lang nila ang sasakyan, kaso lang ang mga PI na to, diba gnagawa nila they take the car with the owner inside tapos they take you for a ride, punta kayo sa mga atm, papa withdraw ka nila ng pera, sasaktan kapa, bugbugin pa etc.

so far ata parang wala pa nangyayari na carjacking dito sa probinsya.....dito nalang ako;f kawawa lang talaga mga taga maynila~sd ~sd

mikey177
10-21-2005, 05:32
Originally posted by atmarcella
so far ata parang wala pa nangyayari na carjacking dito sa probinsya.....dito nalang ako;f kawawa lang talaga mga taga maynila~sd ~sd

There is also a lot of violent crime in my area (Tarlac and Pangasinan), with victims getting robbed at gunpoint as they exited banks. There are even cases of persons who resisted getting shot. They just don't make the headlines of the major dailies, but if you look at the web sites of provincial papers like Sun Star Daily, you'll see that crime is a national problem.

OTOH, we don't have those troublesome and traffic-causing rallies ;Q

PMMA97
10-21-2005, 07:45
Originally posted by mikey177
There is also a lot of violent crime in my area (Tarlac and Pangasinan), with victims getting robbed at gunpoint as they exited banks. There are even cases of persons who resisted getting shot.

Walang ganyan dito sa Gapo. Kokonti lang ang siga dito, sila ang namamahala sa Rest In Peace and order ;)