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jonathon
09-16-2005, 23:27
Links and Info:

Different Surplus(and some commercial Russian loadings) tested out of Mosin Nagants (http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmo.htm) Thanks to itisbruno for posting this

Pretty much everything and anything about the history and markings of the Mosin Nagant, and variants (http://www.MosinNagant.Net)

Another Mosin Nagant Reference (http://7.62x54r.net/)

Got a sticky bolt? Fix it! (http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/eliminatesbs/index.asp)

Want to figure out how rare your Mosin Nagant is? Check here! (http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRarity.htm)Thanks to 97guns for posting this

7.62x54R bullet types! Want to know what that color is on your bullet tip? Look here! (http://www.mosinnagant.net/t3p.asp)


Misc. Stuff

Stripper Clips:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/jswiger/04_1_b.jpg

The one on the left is a genuine Russian Military Stripper clip. These are rare, but they work very well. If you don't mind spending 1/4 the cost of your nice Mosin Nagant on 5 stripper clips, go for it!

The middle one is a poor example of a stripper. Doesn't work to good(doesn't fit in the grooves), and is rather clumsy. Save your money unless you like monkeying around with things!

The far right one is brass. It is easier to work with, but it is soft so long term strength is a big question.

97guns
09-17-2005, 11:20
http://www.mosinnagant.net/images/m39stocksplices.jpg


from left to right they ARE WAR TIME, IMMEDIATE POST WAR, ANd post war - war time being the most desireable

jonathon
09-17-2005, 12:35
Well, I think this actually should be scrapped..

I hadn't ever looked at MosinNagant.net, and it looks like they have EVERYTHING imaginable, much better than I could do. :)

Might be useful to leave this up, as I'm sure theres stuff they've missed(like the ammo tests and descriptions).

97guns
09-17-2005, 15:28
for determining rarity/value of all the diff. nagants

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRarity.htm

fowler
09-20-2005, 15:59
gunboards.com

jonathon
09-29-2005, 23:40
Just a note on the "Sticky Bolt" issues..

I bought a 91/30 for CHEAP at a gun show, beautiful unissued '43. Action was smooth, and it headspaced good. Looked to have even been unfired, other than what the guy I bought it from said about test firing it and saying it worked fine(which was half the truth..)..

Anyways, it had a BIG bur in the chamber that I missed. I think that is why I picked it up for cheap since the guy didn't know what was doing..

Anyways, took a needle file to it and woila, fixed. Just filed down enough to where there were no more stickies.

Razoreye
09-30-2005, 20:07
Didn't see this sticky but I already found my way to mosinnagant.net on my own back when I bought it. Sure enough the bolt was sticky as hell, followed the directions on three different days before the stickiness went away. Man I love this gun and everyone should have one.

On a side note: I use some czech surplus ammo. They always say the stuff is corrosive, I don't clean it but every few shoots but I figure that it was made for soldiers shooting substandard ammo, it's good enough for me to use and abuse. ;)

jonathon
10-02-2005, 22:19
Originally posted by Razoreye
On a side note: I use some czech surplus ammo. They always say the stuff is corrosive, I don't clean it but every few shoots but I figure that it was made for soldiers shooting substandard ammo, it's good enough for me to use and abuse. ;)

I don't think it's as horrible as they say, though I believe combine the ammo and an enviroment that is extremely damp or humid, and it will cause issues. If I was in say, AZ and shooting this stuff, I probably wouldn't worry so much. The salts in the corrosive ammo attract moisture however, and in my neck of the woods we get a ton of rain(went shooting in the pouring rain today).

On a side note, I noticed with great pleasure that the steel core ammo does a wonderful job shattering rocks and concrete ;N

kf4zra
10-14-2005, 12:03
dang i have a rifle rated a #7 and a #9 for rarity on that list

Burncycle
10-26-2005, 21:52
I've got about a dozen of those stripper clips you've identified as "genuine russian military", and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong but I just can't get them to work.

I dunno if I'm stacking them in wrong or what

IronHorseman
10-30-2005, 14:42
Has anyone here built a Scout Rifle out of a Nagant.My M44 is just begging to be fixed up and this looks pretty appealing to me.

Collecting and Shooting the Military Surplus Rifle (2005) - Surplusrifle.com
Address:http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/mosinscoutrifle/index.asp

rangerruck
11-17-2005, 22:18
foundan idea from a site on how to lighten and shortne up the trigger pull. go to home depot and get a pkg of small very thin toothed washers. make sure hole is big enough for the trigger screw to go through. it is o.k. if it is overly big, just dont get the pkg with thehole to small. put one under the trigger spring, rutn the trigger screw back through the hole and tighten, and ta -daa! your done!.

Mogasatator
12-14-2005, 21:42
I got a 1943 M44 and would like to know where I can get a unused barrel to replace mine...

HOUNDAWG
12-17-2005, 14:40
Originally posted by Mogasatator
I got a 1943 M44 and would like to know where I can get a unused barrel to replace mine...
You can try Numrich Gun Parts Corp. www.gunpartscorp.com
has M44 barrels - stock no. 299740 - for $44.95

Apocalypse_Now
02-02-2006, 23:11
Since complete M44s on sale at Big 5 are $87 I would just keep it for spare parts and go hand select one there. Clean the bore well and inspect. The good ones I have found rate from 99% to 100% perfect mechanically and bore wise. Stocks will have dings.

I have found numerous excellent condition Nagants including M91/30s with hex receivers at Big 5.. the M91/30s are $84 on sale..it's addictive!

Apocalypse_Now
02-02-2006, 23:14
Originally posted by IronHorseman
Has anyone here built a Scout Rifle out of a Nagant.My M44 is just begging to be fixed up and this looks pretty appealing to me.

Collecting and Shooting the Military Surplus Rifle (2005) - Surplusrifle.com
Address:http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/mosinscoutrifle/index.asp

Butler Creek stock and a LER scope.. done it, works and looks great, and less than $210! Only about $140 with the original wood stock! I use silvertip Chech ammo

Apocalypse_Now
02-02-2006, 23:15
One more thing: The aftermarket strippers are indeed junk. Just resign yourself to loading rounds one at a time ;L

axel
02-09-2006, 21:12
I came across this while searching for 7.62x39 ammo. Seems like a good deal but you tell me. I'm rather new to Milsurp.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Laminated_Stock_Mosin_Nagant_91_30_7.62x54R_Rifle.html

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/mosin9130lam.gif
Mosin91/30Lam Laminated Wood Stock Russian Mosin Nagant 91/30 7.62x54R Rifle

Item#Mosin91/30Lam
Rarely seen; these striking 91/30 Mosin Nagant Rifles featuring Laminated wood stocks have Just Arrived and are in very limited quantities. Original Russian Codes on Receiver, Bbl & Stock. Inlcudes accessories shown, and other small metal tools. Refinished to Excellent Condition.

Price: $109.95

KusoJijii
02-10-2006, 17:30
Hey, that's a great deal for a laminate. I am waiting for my C&R license any day now. When I get it, that's the first thing I'm buying with it! And the Mosin44 on the same page :)

Apocalypse_Now
02-11-2006, 11:09
Originally posted by axel
I came across this while searching for 7.62x39 ammo. Seems like a good deal but you tell me. I'm rather new to Milsurp.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Laminated_Stock_Mosin_Nagant_91_30_7.62x54R_Rifle.html

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/mosin9130lam.gif
Mosin91/30Lam Laminated Wood Stock Russian Mosin Nagant 91/30 7.62x54R Rifle

Item#Mosin91/30Lam
Rarely seen; these striking 91/30 Mosin Nagant Rifles featuring Laminated wood stocks have Just Arrived and are in very limited quantities. Original Russian Codes on Receiver, Bbl & Stock. Inlcudes accessories shown, and other small metal tools. Refinished to Excellent Condition.

Price: $109.95

Only if I could hand select for bore condition after a good cleaning. All my Nagants are battle worthy and have truly excellent bores and matching numbers compared to their traveling companions I rejected, all of which were advertised "excellent" or "refinished" but were not near as nicenice.

Vic303
09-20-2006, 16:38
Got a 91/30 and had the mag follower break. Got a giant parts pack from TAPCO for CHEAP! Needed 1 part, and got like 64 various parts! Anyway, TAPCO also included a 5pack of nice repro stripper clips. They look a LOT like the Russian ones in the pic above, but have small retaining tabs on the ends. I will try to get a pic and post it. The stripper did fit into the grooves on my MN very nicely. Have not yet tried it with ammo on the clip though.

97guns
11-04-2006, 20:50
heres some production numbers for m39's

sako - 59,278
vkt - 38,990
B barrel - 12,889
SK.Y - 10,588
tikka - 5,000
'67-'70 no maker - 5,171 with '69 being the toughest with only around 500 made.

ChuteTheMall
11-25-2006, 23:50
OK



http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m211/philp110/sovcom_tac.jpg


:animlol:

Mogasatator
02-27-2007, 23:37
Just got the dies for my nagant for reloading...Anyone here reloadong for their nagant? What powder you using?

Mogasatator
03-02-2007, 21:40
I have determined that Nagants are not a true 7.62 or .308. My sierra reload book points out that the bore size is really .311. I have measured one to be .312. With this in mind, a .308 bullet would be too sloppy and loose for any accuracy. I have found that the British .303 bullet is a .3105 to .311. The same as the Nagant. If you reload, stay away from using the American 7.62 cal or .308 and go to the British 303 for a more accurate bullet for the nagant. I hear that Sierra may be making the Nagant .311 bullet for reloaders but if found to be expensive you can alway use the .303 Brit.

hogship
09-14-2007, 17:20
Originally posted by Mogasatator


With this in mind, a .308 bullet would be too sloppy and loose for any accuracy.



My Lyman manual says that some rifles shoot .308 sized bullets just fine.......so, I suppose some bore diameters are undersized???? Probably so.....could there be any other reason for it?

hogwart

sharpshooter
08-18-2008, 10:41
My 1939 Russian 91/30 shoots .311" 180gr Sierra SPTs with great accuracy using IMR 4064.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/benclawson/cbc5661b.jpg

1811guy
09-19-2008, 19:08
Links and Info:

Different Surplus(and some commercial Russian loadings) tested out of Mosin Nagants (http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmo.htm) Thanks to itisbruno for posting this

Pretty much everything and anything about the history and markings of the Mosin Nagant, and variants (http://www.MosinNagant.Net)

Another Mosin Nagant Reference (http://7.62x54r.net/)

Got a sticky bolt? Fix it! (http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/eliminatesbs/index.asp)

Want to figure out how rare your Mosin Nagant is? Check here! (http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRarity.htm)Thanks to 97guns for posting this

7.62x54R bullet types! Want to know what that color is on your bullet tip? Look here! (http://www.mosinnagant.net/t3p.asp)


Misc. Stuff

Stripper Clips:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/jswiger/04_1_b.jpg

The one on the left is a genuine Russian Military Stripper clip. These are rare, but they work very well. If you don't mind spending 1/4 the cost of your nice Mosin Nagant on 5 stripper clips, go for it!

The middle one is a poor example of a stripper. Doesn't work to good(doesn't fit in the grooves), and is rather clumsy. Save your money unless you like monkeying around with things!

The far right one is brass. It is easier to work with, but it is soft so long term strength is a big question.




Looks like CTD still has them - these are usually original Russian stripper clips. 10 is all you need for the range (14.99)They work great.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MGR343-1.html

Teej
09-30-2009, 05:20
I know nothing about these, but I was offered one this week for $100. It is a Russian made. The numbers on the bolt do not match the numbers on the gun. The but plate on the stock has a brand new, bright shiny philips head screw in it that is too big. And the stock has a crack clean through from one side to the other at the bottom of the shoulder but part of the stock.

Question, is this a good price?

Also, I have seen pictures of the aftermarket replacement stocks and there appears to be a lot more of the barrel showing when the gun is in the new stock which to me means that the barrel is not supported as much as in the original stock. Does these new stocks affect accuracy? Are these still 6-800 yrd weapons with the aftermartket stocks?

Also, as explained to me, the biggest issue with the corrosive ammo is not in the barrel or chamber which is very easy to clean, But inside the bolt and firing pin area where a lot of people forget to clean? Is the Wold ammo non-corrosive and can you make 600 yrd shots with it?

Thank you. Again, I do not know anything about these so I appreciate your help.

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nagant123
08-31-2010, 19:19
try stacking your stripper clips one lip over the next and put in with the bullets pointing slightly up. these guns are very accurate and fun to shoot. powerful bullet and no felt recoil

1811guy
08-31-2010, 22:00
Looks like CTD still has them - these are usually original Russian stripper clips. 10 is all you need for the range (14.99)They work great.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MGR343-1.html

Wow! This link is still good. Just ordered 10 more stripper clips. They are Izchevsk (sp) marked. Only ones I have found that will actually work with my 91/30's.

I checked out the how rare is your 91/30 link. This helped identify what I have as well. I have two Chinese T53 rifles with matching numbers, a Dragoon era Tula (dated 1926 - I actually bought it because it has a solid stock - no laminations or splicing - and it has a tiger striped pattern to boot), and a very common Izhevsk 91/30 from 1944.

Very cool rifles considering they were just meant to be mass manufactured on the cheap for the least experienced soldier.

USDefender
11-11-2011, 18:12
Here's an axcellent series of videos by a guy who truly knows the Mosin-Nagant. He's called 'Iraqveteran8888' and I have truly learned a lot by watching him... :cool:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOVs3nenJ-w