Bubba Blitz anime puzzling, troubling

[elgoatropo]

Am I the only one who finds the Flash cartoon on the Kahr website a little bizarre? Normally, if an executive put something like that out due to a lapse of judgement, someone within the organization might privately point out that its a little, well, weird, and could reflect badly on the company.

[cjblackmon]

Yeah I think it's weird as well. Besides, Bubba Blitz can't shoot a Kahr! He has no opposable thumbs. It looks like someone got bored at work on day.

[baildoc]

Yeah, you're right, it's weird.

[Mic]

It is down right repulsive. I saw it a few days ago.They have the right to put it on there sight and I have the right to not buy another one of there products. I find it that bad, to bad for the good people who work there.

[jmb79]

Perhaps we should all send an e-mail. Let's see if they will respond to their cutomer base.

[cjblackmon]

Originally posted by jmb79
Perhaps we should all send an e-mail. Let's see if they will respond to their cutomer base.

Or how about if we ask for another shooting game instead? I must have shot Bin Laden and Suddam Hussein a million times. I'd like a crack at that Vicious Super Nazi!!!!

Do you think Kahr would be so daring as to make a PM45? J/K

[ProfMoriarty]

Whoever OK'd that PR nightmare should be fired.

What a tasteless moronic POS.

[Mixlesplick]

I like it. I have thought about getting it done as a tattoo buuuut...I agree, it is poor marketing. It is not a way to market a high quality product to serious professionals. I wonder how many people are turned off Kahr pistols when they see Bubba Blitz.

I like Bubba Blitz but I also like cold pizza with Coca Cola for breakfast.;g

[G33]

Weird!
Cultural thing--oriental?

[Jaltered]

;P

What the freaking crap!?!? This really keeps me from taking Kahr seriously.

Offensive AND stupid. ;g

[cjblackmon]

Okay, all kidding aside. Did you guys really just notice that cartoon now? It's been there for a while.

[Michigun]

I guess I just don’t see the problem with this.

[AZ Traveler]

Michigun,
+1
:)

Its not like they engrave Bubba on any of their firearms.

[ProfMoriarty]

Originally posted by AZ Traveler
Michigun,
+1
:)

Its not like they engrave Bubba on any of their firearms.

The issue is not that of Bubba the mascot, but rather the short vid that depicts a platoon of GIs killed by a "Super Nazi" armed with a Glock who is, in turn, killed by Kahr-armed Bubba.

[silky]

I'm not offended, just bored. There's nothing clever about the story, graphics, or animation. It's on the same level as their slogan, "Why buy a block..." The irony is that the pistols are sophisticated, innovative, and slick, while the promo material is clunky, heavy-handed, totally without subtlety.

[G33]

I was offended because I want a cat in the toon.;f

[AZ Traveler]

I didn't even know there was a video. I never looked for one on the Kahr website.

[Zundfolge]

The issue is not that of Bubba the mascot, but rather the short vid that depicts a platoon of GIs killed by a "Super Nazi" armed with a Glock who is, in turn, killed by Kahr-armed Bubba.

Where is this video?

I don't see it when I go to the Kahr web site .... mebby I'm blind or something.


Nevermind, I found it ... yes its stupid ... would have made more sense if the "Super Nazi" wasn't also armed with a Kahr. ;g Oh...wait ... is the Super Nazi packing a Glock?

Okay, I get it ... this is a slam at Glock because it was reported that some guy named "Hans Glock" is a Nazi sympathizer who had something to do with the murder of a Jewish family (I suspect Hans Glock is a handle not a real name).

here http://www.jdo.org/hale.htm (scroll down a bit ... or search the page for "Hans Glock")

poor taste

[Blacktails]

No doubt this is a crap video. It's hard to believe that Kahr's marketing people are so far out of it. They should once and for all dump Bubba Blitz AND the marketing decision makers and come up with a decent and more modern marketing campaign.

[Zundfolge]

They should once and for all dump Bubba Blitz...
Actually I like Bubba Blitz ... he puts a friendly face on a gun manufacturer thus making their product more accessable by non gun folk (and the CCW market is a big part of their market).

CCW and self defense are markets that most companies make product for, but seldom try to market to ... that means marketing to non-sportsmen, to women, to minorities, to people who don't want to punch paper or shoot a deer, but instead want a gun they can defend themselves with.

I can see where the cute puppydog who's tiny but has a "big bite" could be an effective marketing tool.

However this "Super Nazi" animation thing is really going to turn off pretty much anyone who sees it.

[oldguy]

Don't see the big issue here just poor advertising,anyone get the
"Blue Press" Dillon reloading catalog, lots of fine looking girls
and I'm sure someone would take offense to that, however
I enjoy.;)

[Mic]

I think the people who are not offened, have not looked at the viedo on there site. It is not about the silly cartoon dog. It dipects US soilders being murdered. If that is not bad enough it then brings out a Nazi clad figure which is bad enough to piss everyone who sees it off, even without the Nazi just killing US soldiers. Before you show your support for it make sure you know what you are supporting. It is not even in the same ball park as the Blue Press Girls.

[domzilla9]

Kahr's marketing and sales contact info: frankharris@kahr.com

Dear Mr. Harris,

I find your flash animation "bubba's revenge" to be in remarkably bad taste on a number of levels. I own Kahr steel framed pistols and I consider them to be fine firearms but I carry a Glock everyday. I was seriously thinking about buying one of your short barreled thompsons through my local dealer but I doubt that I will now. I can't understand how you could possibly think that this was a good way to represent your company and it's values. While you may think that the animation is cute, hip or "funny", I am not alone in the opinion of its misplaced negative characterizations. This animation is an embarrassment to your company and to the people who have bought your products in the past and to gun owners everywhere.

Sincerely,

Dominic Bosco
Louisville, KY

[cjblackmon]

Well elgoatropo, it looks like you single handedly started a mutiny within the ranks of Kahr club, therefore interupting peace and harmony within the beloved owners of the Kahr Handguns. Not to mention the letter that domzilla wrote to Mr. Harris, and now (no thanks to you I might add) is probably not going to buy a short barreled Thompson. Two hundred and seventy nine people read your post and twenty-two people posted comments (well I posted 3 times not counting this one). Thanks a lot for disrupting peace and harmony and replacing it with kaos. Not to mention the long term effects this may have on domzilla! There are some serious consequences and repercussions that are now going to have to addressed.




Oh by the way...It's just a freakin cartoon...fake. Maybe if it had a disclaimer at the end of the clip that said " No GI's or Super Nazi's were abused, injured, or hurt while drawing this cartoon!!! Cartoons and goofy games are not the values of the company!!! Good products and services are, that website might be managed by some young kid that's paid to keep the site up. We can all agree that almost everyone in Kahr club likes if not love our Kahrs. That's why we're all on here chatting. Also, I haven't heard word one of any poor service that Kahr has provided. So to state that Kahr has poor values or that this video represents it's values is (well how can I state this) CRAP. I'm speaking my mind only because I can't stand hearing how this offended me or that offended me, if you don't like it...DON'T WATCH IT!!! It's that simple. Sorry if what I'm saying is going offending anyone, but it's called freedom of speech. I'm tired of censorship, taking the pledge of alegiance out of schools because of the word God, must I go on. If you don't like it, start up your own company, be successful with it and then put whatever you want on your own website! You'll probably hate me for saying all of this, but I know deep down...what I'm saying out loud, is exactly what most of you are already thinking. I'm off my soapbox now.

P.S. elgoatropo I was only kidding to you in the first paragraph.

[domzilla9]

Sorry if what I'm saying is going offending anyone, but it's called freedom of speach. I'm tired of censorship, taking the pledge of alegiance out of schools because of the word God, must I go on.

I believe it is called "freedom of speech". I don't believe that anyone here is suggesting that Kahr should be censored.

Cartoons and goofy games are not the values of the company!!! Good products and services are..

Really? Advertisments (cartoons) don't express the values of the company? Then why do companies go to such great lengths to infuse their advertisments with mom, apple pie and love of country? According to Kahr, their cartoon is an exercise of their god-given right to express their "feelings". Here is the disclaimer from their site:

"If the animation does not suit your taste, or if you find any aspects of it offensive, please simply refrain from viewing and respect the rights of others to express their feelings in this manner."

First of all, the animation isn't expressing any "feelings" - it's just dumbazz chest beating. What's are the "feelings" supposed to be? "I feel that Kahr's pistols are patriotic and capable of defeating fascism. I feel that fascism's favorite weapon is a Glock and I feel it necessary to imply that Gaston Glock is a fascist."

I don't think that anyone is writing to them and claiming that they don't have a right to express their feelings in an asinine video that only a crack addled retarded pre-teen could consider to be a "cool". I guess that they don't understand that others have the right to criticism and judge them by their words and deeds. Kahr, if you don't want to be criticized, don't say or do or make anything.

that website might be managed by some young kid that's paid to keep the site up.

That pretty much confirms that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I'm speaking my mind only because I can't stand hearing how this offended me or that offended me, if you don't like it...DON'T WATCH IT!!! It's that simple.

No, you don't understand. It's this simple: if I don't like your advertising, I'll not buy your product. And btw, I am glad to know I have offended you by letting you know that I am offended. Man, but I am sick and tired of people being so offended! LOL.

[cjblackmon]

Originally posted by domzilla9
I believe it is called "freedom of speech". I don't believe that anyone here is suggesting that Kahr should be censored.

Sorry, I was typing so fast I didn't think of proof reading, thanks for helping me out there.



Really? Advertisments (cartoons) don't express the values of the company? Then why do companies go to such great lengths to infuse their advertisments with mom, apple pie and love of country? According to Kahr, their cartoon is an exercise of their god-given right to express their "feelings". Here is the disclaimer from their site:

To sell, to make money, that's advertising. That was a dumb cartoon, for fun, not a selling point.



First of all, the animation isn't expressing any "feelings" - it's just dumbazz chest beating. What's are the "feelings" supposed to be? "I feel that Kahr's pistols are patriotic and capable of defeating fascism. I feel that fascism's favorite weapon is a Glock and I feel it necessary to imply that Gaston Glock is a fascist."


I don't think that anyone is writing to them and claiming that they don't have a right to express their feelings in an asinine video that only a crack addled retarded pre-teen could consider to be a "cool". I guess that they don't understand that others have the right to criticism and judge them by their words and deeds. Kahr, if you don't want to be criticized, don't say or do or make anything.



That pretty much confirms that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

God, do you take everything so literally?



No, you don't understand. It's this simple: if I don't like your advertising, I'll not buy your product. And btw, I am glad to know I have offended you by letting you know that I am offended. Man, but I am sick and tired of people being so offended! LOL.

I never said that I myself was offended. I was using the example (sorry I didn't add the quotation marks for you) " I was offended by this, I was offended by that". Words don't offend me at all. There is nothing anyone (on a website no less) can say that would offend me. Words are words. I was voicing my opinion on how people in general get wrapped up in something so small and go on a mission as to write a letter to the company saying (here are your quotation marks) "I don't like that, that states you have poor values". Dude whatever. You got offended by a cartoon!! We can debate this all night long. The fact of the matter is...you went so far to write up a letter, I could care less. In short all I was trying to say (in general, not to you, but since you singled yourself out with your reply) Freakin Lighten up!!!!!!!!! I don't want to debate with you, and I didn't join this site to fight with anyone either. Can we just leave it at that?

Warm Regards

[Mixlesplick]

The issue is not that of Bubba the mascot, but rather the short vid that depicts a platoon of GIs killed by a "Super Nazi" armed with a Glock who is, in turn, killed by Kahr-armed Bubba.

Ahh, I shot myself in the foot with my last post. That is a weird cartoon. I didn't see the vid before. It's kind of Jr. Highish.

I still like cold pizza and Coca Cola for breakfast, though.:)

[domzilla9]

Originally posted by cjblackmon
To sell, to make money, that's advertising. That was a dumb cartoon, for fun, not a selling point.

Did you watch the video? It's an advertisement for the Kahr P45. ;Q

[silky]

IMHO if there were any pre-teens involved in the creation of the video, it would have had much cooler drawing and animation, and there would probably be several hidden levels of action accessible only to the young and nimble-fingered...

;)


- (old but still) silky

[deerhunter34]

Everyone has a right to buy or not buy. I personally can't stand some types of music, however, I still eat McDonald's burgers even though "I'm not lovin it."

[redskyzatknight]

Who the hell cares? Did the Mexican Chihuaua keep you from eating Taco Bell? Does that freaky clown stop you from eating Big Mac's? I don't know, guess I never thought about it till now. I still don't care. Maybe they should use a chimp since they have thumbs and can actually shoot?

[elgoatropo]

Hey, I didn't mean to upset the apple-cart of peace and harmony. I am not going to boycott their products, because I think they are excellent.

I don't have a problem with the cartoon dog mascot. But as a patriotic American, when GIs are depicted being killed, cartoon or not, it is a somber thing. Most of us lost family in that war. When it is depicted in a whimsical fashion, it is a little offensive.

To me, it is just a reminder that this company is owned by weirdos.

[10 Ring Tao]

Hmm. Nothing special. Its a horrible commercial, if thats what it was meant to be. Not really anything other than a sucky (for lack of a better word) attempt at a commercial.

To the guy who came up with that ad:

http://us.st8.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/wickedcoolstuff_1862_88331789

[LittleFoot]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v712/92bandit/bubba.gif

[cjblackmon]

Who could say that they don't like Bubba Blitz? I like him. The Kahr site kinda makes it different from the others. I love the military look of a lot of websites. Seals, Green Berets, Swat, Delta Force, kicking in a door with an M4, Kimber, HK, Glock, Sig, Surefire lights, you name it. All of them have the "Tactical" Marketing idea. It's kinda nice to see something different.

[8324glock]

That is a really neat animation. And the website puts Glocks to shame. I own, and enjoy, a ton of Glocks, but a Kahr will be on the books very soon.

[JKG]

I don't care if gun owners like or dislike the cartoon or the mascot. BUT, I think it adds more fuel to the fire for the anti-gun movement. A violent cartoon on a gunmaker's website? Seems stupid to me. We all know guns can kill, but to advertise it is silly.

Remember Joe Cool? They claimed it 'made' kids smoke. Whether he did or not is irrelevant. Perception is very important.

Guns are serious business, and are taken seriously by the public. Likewise, gun owners and gunmakers need to portray professionalism. Cute mascots, soldiers of fortune, and fake commandos may seem cool to gun owners, but disturb many in the general public. For godsake, stop feeding the anti-gun nuts more bad images. They are brainwashed into thinking guns are bad by our own industry.

I have to admit, I do like the dog.

[harrydog]

Originally posted by domzilla9


No, you don't understand. It's this simple: if I don't like your advertising, I'll not buy your product. And btw, I am glad to know I have offended you by letting you know that I am offended. Man, but I am sick and tired of people being so offended! LOL.

Well, the ad IS bizarre and in extremely bad taste. I can't imagine why anyone at Kahr would think it's a good idea. Hard to figure out.
On the other hand, not buying a good product because you don't like the company's advertisement is really more your loss than theirs. Just like those who won't buy a Kahr because of the Moonie connnection.

[hayseed_40]

Oh crap, forgot about the moonie connection. Oh well, already bought my MK40 - I'll remember that for next time.

[domzilla9]

Originally posted by hayseed_40
Oh crap, forgot about the moonie connection. Oh well, already bought my MK40 - I'll remember that for next time.

Do members get a discount? ;)

[silky]

Originally posted by domzilla9
Do members get a discount? ;)


;z

[cjblackmon]

Originally posted by domzilla9
Do members get a discount? ;)




I'll double that! ;z ;z

[cjblackmon]

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[cjblackmon]

;w

[Rockets]

I am not trying to pick a fight here, nor am judging anyone’s views. I do find the animation kind of strange but it will not stop me from buying another Kahr since I buy their guns, not their animation.

So here is my question and it is not meant to be judgmental. More of just something I am curious about.

Do the same people that find the Bubba animation offensive find Hogan’s Heroes offensive? It did portray Nazi’s as a bunch of fun loving harmless buffoons instead of the genocidal, hell bent on world domination, death camp running monsters they were. And in this case the show was the product.

(PS: I did think Hogan’s Hero’s was funny as a kid but my humor took a Monty Python bend in my teenage years, but I can certainly understand why many would find the show offensive, especially those that lost loved ones and people of the Jewish faith)

So what offends you?

Bubba Blitz
Hogan’s Hero’s
Both
Neither

Rockets Out and Way Off Topic…..

[elgoatropo]

I believe this disclaimer was not there a few days ago. Correct me if I am wrong. Interesting response. Big mistake. These nutjobs do not understand Americans or the shooting community. Or they never would have put forward such a bizarre, disrespectful display. Let alone, defend it after being reprimanded for it. What a load of horse-pucky.



This animation contains graphic violence and is intended for mature viewers only.

The events, settings, third-party products and characters in the animation are wholy fictitious. No depiction or suggestion of actual events, settings, third-party products or other individuals is made or intended. We also do not intend for the animation to indicate any particular race, ethnic group, nationality, religion, occupation, locale or product.

If the animation does not suit your taste, or if you find any aspects of it offensive, please simply refrain from viewing and respect the rights of others to express their feelings in this manner.

We hope you enjoy the animation.

[Michigun]

Originally posted by elgoatropo
I believe this disclaimer was not there a few days ago. Correct me if I am wrong.

Yup, you are wrong... that disclaimer has been there for at least 2 weeks which was the 1st time I viewed it.

[ProfMoriarty]

Plenty of GIs were killed in movies.

A cartoon is no different.

I take issue with the ad in that it's clear that the evil "Super Nazi" is meant to represent Glock, their main competition. Hell, the character clearly holds one of their firearms. To represent the competition in an unfairly negative manner is a cheap shot and denegrates Kahr and the people who run it.

[Michigun]

ProfMoriarty gets it… to think of it as anything more is just plain silly.

[cjblackmon]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't seem to find that anime on their website. Saddam and Bin Laden are there, but I think the other, is gone.

[cjblackmon]

Originally posted by Michigun
I guess I just don’t see the problem with this.


I'm not challenging you, but didn't you say the above quote in an earlier post?

So are you saying that it's still a cartoon and nothing more, or are you in aggreance that this is tasteless and Profmoriarty is correct in his last statement?

[baildoc]

Don't see it anymore either CJ. Looks like Kahr does read this board. Appears as though they have pulled the item in question.question

[Michigun]

Originally posted by cjblackmon
I can't seem to find that anime on their website. Saddam and Bin Laden are there, but I think the other, is gone.

You're seeing it right, it is gone now.

Originally posted by cjblackmon
... didn't you say the above quote in an earlier post?

Yes, sure did.

Originally posted by cjblackmon
So are you saying that it's still a cartoon and nothing more, or are you in aggreance that this is tasteless and Profmoriarty is correct in his last statement?

I agree with Profmoriarty when he states that it was simply an ad taking aim at GLOCK... I'll also admit that as a huge GLOCK fan that it doesn't make me feel all warm inside or anything like that (Just like the "Why buy a BLOCK when you can own a Kahr?" ad...), but in the end it's still just a animation. (One that I highly doubt most hardcore GLOCKers would even catch/understand.) I was in no way offended.

[bulbboy]

Its gone - I guess all the phone calls and emails worked!

[Michigun]

I sure hope you guys are putting forth as much effort when new gun control legislation comes around as you did with this one…….

[cjblackmon]

Originally posted by Michigun
I sure hope you guys are putting forth as much effort when new gun control legislation comes around as you did with this one…….


Yeah Really...and that aint no cartoon either!!!!