WWB .223 55gr 40 round boxes back at wal-mart!!!

[RMTactical]

Just picked some up today at $7.73/40rounds.

Nice to see this stuff is back in stock!

[G37 Commando]

I'm going to check out my local Wally World tomorrow!!!

[switch625]

Gore, what do you like about it vs XM193?

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by switch625
Gore, what do you like about it vs XM193?

Mostly that it's good plinking/target ammo that is easy to get and it's reloadable. POI is similar to XM193/Q3131A.

[switch625]

Originally posted by GoreLicks
Mostly that it's good plinking/target ammo that is easy to get and it's reloadable. POI is similar to XM193/Q3131A. How's it recoil compared to those two? It is lower powered, correct?

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by switch625
How's it recoil compared to those two? It is lower powered, correct?

You won't know the difference just by shooting it.

It does have lower pressure, hence lower velocity. When I've seen it chono'd, I think I recall it being 100fps less than your average Q3131A.

[USMCsilver]

Sorry, but those prices aren't anywhere as good as Wolf! I'll stick with the Russian stuff. ;f

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by USMCsilver
Sorry, but those prices aren't anywhere as good as Wolf! I'll stick with the Russian stuff. ;f

Whatever floats your boat.

I think I can find 20 rounds of Wolf at a gunstore for around $2.99, so it's about $1-2 cheaper than WWB for 40 rounds.

[USMCsilver]

Originally posted by GoreLicks
Whatever floats your boat.

I think I can find 20 rounds of Wolf at a gunstore for around $2.99, so it's about $1-2 cheaper than WWB for 40 rounds.

Yeah, but why buy in boxes of 20 when 500 is so much more practical? ;e

As far as floating my boat goes, yeah, it's crap, I'll admit that, but it goes bang and at the range, that's all that really matters to me. Outside of 300 yards, I'll shoot something different.

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by USMCsilver
Yeah, but why buy in boxes of 20 when 500 is so much more practical? ;e

Convenience is the only reason I buy the WWB 40 round value packs. I mean, I'd rather shoot q3131a or xm193 that I buy in bulk, but when I am running out to the range and I want/need more ammo, there are tons of wal-marts around, and I can almost always swing by there and pick up another 120 rounds or something.

[helidonna]

Ya Ya the same old debate, I'll shoot both. One for SHTF and the other for cheap. Gore I've heard you say more then once that wolf is not accurite, I my self have smoked many a furry vermin with that stuff. The only complaint here is it's filthy to shoot. But it has more then held it's own with many diffrent brands that I've shot. Don't mind me I'm a just stirin the pot a little. Oh, I will also take your advice and check out my local wally world I'm always up for a discount. So thanks for the heads up...

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by helidonna
Ya Ya the same old debate, I'll shoot both. One for SHTF and the other for cheap. Gore I've heard you say more then once that wolf is not accurite, I my self have smoked many a furry vermin with that stuff. The only complaint here is it's filthy to shoot. But it has more then held it's own with many diffrent brands that I've shot. Don't mind me I'm a just stirin the pot a little. Oh, I will also take your advice and check out my local wally world I'm always up for a discount. So thanks for the heads up...

I'll let you in on a little secret. I've only shot about 60 rounds of Wolf through my AR's... So as far as .223 goes, it may not be as bad as I've let on... but let me tell you about their 7.62x39 FMJ!! It is the most innaccurate ammo I have ever shot, PERIOD! Even their 7.62x39 HP ammo is MUCH more accurate, and it's about the second most innaccurate ammo I have found. Silver Bear, Barnaul, Winchester, are all much better for accuracy in that caliber...

So, maybe that's one gripe about Wolf that isn't totally fair, at least in terms of .223, but all my other gripes are legit. ;f

[helidonna]

Agreed on the 5.56 issue, but all AK's can't group. Not always the ammo either I've shot all kinds through Bulgarian SLR-95 didn't seem to matter. No better then 6" groups @ 100 yds. So I'm not convinced that it's the ammo my AK should group far better then your run of the mill WASR-10. But thats all the commies needed or wanted out of their main battle rifle.




Has anybody shot tighter with a red dot? I would be interested to know. Thanks...

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by helidonna
Agreed on the 5.56 issue, but all AK's can't group. Not always the ammo either I've shot all kinds through Bulgarian SLR-95 didn't seem to matter. No better then 6" groups @ 100 yds. So I'm not convinced that it's the ammo my AK should group far better then your run of the mill WASR-10. But thats all the commies needed or wanted out of their main battle rifle.




Has anybody shot tighter with a red dot? I would be interested to know. Thanks...

I've noticed. I was very careful to note which ones shot tighter groups. You ask anyone who's tested out various brands. Wolf FMJ has the worst rep. Probably has something to do with the air gap in there... This was with an SKS BTW.

[Rob96]

Gore, anything on the box to indicate who is loading it for Winchester?

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by Rob96
Gore, anything on the box to indicate who is loading it for Winchester?

IMI, just like the old stuff.

I guess they filled their order to the military and got back on track with their commercial ammo. I bet Q3131A is being imported again too.

[Delta-9]

Originally posted by GoreLicks
I bet Q3131A is being imported again too.

/me crossing fingers!!

[The-Fly]

i cleared out the local sportsmanwharehouse a few days ago of their Q3131A stock. Stashing it for a rainy day or the odd looter or gun grabber :cool: :cool:

[plasticgunz]

I just picked up 200 rounds of this at Walmart myself. I hope to shoot some of it this weekend, I'll report back if anyone is interested.

[switch625]

With reports of the primers popping out last year on arfcom I've kinda shyed away and ordered XM193.

[skinnygun]

Anyone know about Hotshot .223 ss 109 62 grain ammo? Green tipped and $3.80 for 20 rds.
I have a new Bushmaster AR 15 and it seems to shoot ok. Any opinions and what kind of accuracy can I expect from a stock Bushmaster at 100yds?
Thanks for any info.

[Mnukedude]

Yeah, I saw the 40rd WWB load at the Walmart the other day. I almost bought some, but I've got plenty for now. I hope the Q3131A comes back too.:cool:

[Bushw@cker]

My Wal-Mart has it back in stock also. :cool:

[Bushw@cker]

Originally posted by Mnukedude
Yeah, I saw the 40rd WWB load at the Walmart the other day. I almost bought some, but I've got plenty for now. I hope the Q3131A comes back too.:cool:

Midway lists Q3131A with and expected stock date of 12/31/05 but you know how that goes. ;g

[Macros73_On_Road]

Hmm. No offense, but at that price, I can't see the point in buying any. For 1,000 rounds, that's $193. Plus tax.

I can pick up M855PD in bulk from Midway for substantially less than that with my C&R, and that's good enough for range work. For a little more than that, you can get the 'good stuff' from ammoman (well, when it's back in stock. :) )

So..I guess all I'm trying to say is don't swing by Wal-Mart. Stock up and plan out your logistics a little more, and you'll save money. :)

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by Macros73_On_Road
Hmm. No offense, but at that price, I can't see the point in buying any. For 1,000 rounds, that's $193. Plus tax.

I can pick up M855PD in bulk from Midway for substantially less than that with my C&R, and that's good enough for range work. For a little more than that, you can get the 'good stuff' from ammoman (well, when it's back in stock. :) )

So..I guess all I'm trying to say is don't swing by Wal-Mart. Stock up and plan out your logistics a little more, and you'll save money. :)

I'd never shoot any of the PD loose packed stuff in my guns.

[Bushw@cker]

Originally posted by GoreLicks
I'd never shoot any of the PD loose packed stuff in my guns.

Yeah, especially the XM193PD. The XM855PD isn't bad, at least the 500 rounds I bought a while back. And on the Wal-Mart WWB, it's convenient to buy plus we don't have a sales tax in Oregon. ;f I don't buy large quantities of it, but it's nice to be able to pick up a couple boxes if needed.

[Macros73_On_Road]

Good to hear. More for me, and lower demand keeps the price down. ;) I've put about 2,000 rounds of the M855PD downrange without incident. Wouldn't use it for anything more than training or plinking, but it works. I do give each round a quick check when loading mags, but I do that anyway.

Have you had a specific instance of trouble with the 855PD? I've heard of the 193PD horror stories, but the 855PD doesn't seem to share the same bad reputation.

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by Macros73_On_Road
Good to hear. More for me, and lower demand keeps the price down. ;) I've put about 2,000 rounds of the M855PD downrange without incident. Wouldn't use it for anything more than training or plinking, but it works. I do give each round a quick check when loading mags, but I do that anyway.

Have you had a specific instance of trouble with the 855PD? I've heard of the 193PD horror stories, but the 855PD doesn't seem to share the same bad reputation.

well, loose-packed ammo is always a lower grade ammo. If it wasn't, it would have been boxed up and sold at full price.

There is a reason regular XM855 is sold at a higher price than the XM855PD, and the PD stuff is clearly marked "For Practice Use Only". It is not top quality ammo.

I prefer to practice with the better stuff.

Besides, I prefer 55gr ammo for all purpose use anyways.

[Seabee71]

LUCKY...........My Wal-Mart wont even sell ammo yet. I went to one about 30 miles from here and they only had 4 boxes of Remington Expess 55gr PSP, everything else was sold out. I bought 4 boxes of 20 at $13 a pop. Stoopid hurricane Katrina.

[Macros73_On_Road]

There is a reason regular XM855 is sold at a higher price than the XM855PD, and the PD stuff is clearly marked "For Practice Use Only". It is not top quality ammo.

I prefer to practice with the better stuff.

Besides, I prefer 55gr ammo for all purpose use anyways.

I agree with the latter; I prefer 55gr (or 77/75gr) for all purpose use. For training, I prefer something with a solid, reliable, inexpensive bang. I can't yet bring myself to put Wolf through my AR's, though I'm happy to do so in my Glocks.

But...the 855PD is good enough for /practice/ and cheap enough that I can practice more often. I'd rather save my more expensive, top quality ammo for verifying zero, matches, or self-defense.

[Bushw@cker]

Originally posted by Macros73_On_Road
I agree with the latter; I prefer 55gr (or 77/75gr) for all purpose use. For training, I prefer something with a solid, reliable, inexpensive bang. I can't yet bring myself to put Wolf through my AR's, though I'm happy to do so in my Glocks.

But...the 855PD is good enough for /practice/ and cheap enough that I can practice more often. I'd rather save my more expensive, top quality ammo for verifying zero, matches, or self-defense.

I agree with you on the XM855PD. It seems to be of much higher quality than the XM193PD.

[GregG17]

Thats suck Here in Az at walmart it's around $11-12 bucks for a box of 40 winchester valuepack...

[thejrod]

Originally posted by GregG17
Thats suck Here in Az at walmart it's around $11-12 bucks for a box of 40 winchester valuepack... Make sure it's not JHP, or a varmit load. My Walmart just started stocking the 40rd value packs again, but they're 45g varmit JHPs. They're running $12-13 a box.

I'll be on the lookout for the 55g FMJs. I shot those all the time back when they used to carry them. At about 20c per round, for NEW factory ammo (not seconds), it's an OK deal. I never had a problem with it before.

[ColSanders]

Found some at my local Wally world. Glad to see it again, and hopefully we can get a steady flow of Q3131A again. I've been hording all of mine for the time being. :)

[Grog]

I'm glad I bought all the Q3131 Sports Authority had for $2.99 ;f


That sale was many months ago though :(

[KinderGlocken]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by GoreLicks
well, loose-packed ammo is always a lower grade ammo. If it wasn't, it would have been boxed up and sold at full price.

There is a reason regular XM855 is sold at a higher price than the XM855PD, and the PD stuff is clearly marked "For Practice Use Only". It is not top quality ammo.

I prefer to practice with the better stuff.

Besides, I prefer 55gr ammo for all purpose use anyways. [/QUOTE

WWB is loose packed ammo also.

[Grog]

Loose packed, or loose stacked? :)

[RMTactical]

Originally posted by KinderGlocken
[QUOTE]Originally posted by GoreLicks
well, loose-packed ammo is always a lower grade ammo. If it wasn't, it would have been boxed up and sold at full price.

There is a reason regular XM855 is sold at a higher price than the XM855PD, and the PD stuff is clearly marked "For Practice Use Only". It is not top quality ammo.

I prefer to practice with the better stuff.

Besides, I prefer 55gr ammo for all purpose use anyways. [/QUOTE

WWB is loose packed ammo also.

Not really, it's boxed in smaller increments in an "organized" way whereas the loose packed XM193PD is totally loose packed bulk ammo.

Big difference.

[GlockHpy]

Whatever its packing configuration, I find it easier to stock pile when I can buy it 30-40$ at a whack at wal-mart instead of having to modify budgets strictly to buy bulk ammo. I have had good luck with white box whinny.:)