My new Lasermax is off target!

[OXEN]

Arrr....

Don't ya just hate when you get a new toy and it doesn't work right? Especially since you paid $300 for it. :soap:

I've only taken this to the range once since I got it installed and all my shots were low and to the right. I think I know why.

I drew this to show where I see the laser point @ 7yrds.

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And this is supposed to be within 3" @ 20yrds?

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Any other GT'ers have to send your Glock & Lasermax to them to get it sighted in right?

If so how long did it take, and was it on target once you got it back?

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I edited the title today cause I think it's more of a user error.

I went to the range yesterday and finally remembered to bring my snap-caps. I've discovered I've got a jerking problem that needs to be worked on.

I'll still give LM a call to make sure everything is in right but I think it's me.

[Cross-X]

I am sorry to hear of your misfortune. Maybe you could sell it and wait until the Crimson Trace for Glocks comes out this January.

[OXEN]

I'm wondering now if whoever assembled this laser put the spring on backwards.

I know you can't see it by this pic but the front part of the LM that seats into the slide has a "wave" to it (arrow) and the other end of the spring if perfectly flat.

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Anyone else's LM have that same "wave" to it?

[HK45Mark23]

First of all, it is possible that your laser is perfect. Second I have had more laser max laser sights than I can account for. I have never found one to be off in any way. I did think one was off and sent my gun and the laser into Laser-Max and they checked it out. I was off not the laser. It was totally in spec. When you call they will ask you to do a few tests there over the phone to make sure that there is not some easy problem that can be cured with out shipping it in. But if after that conversation it is still not correct then you will ship it in. When you get it back if you still don’t understand why you are not getting the results you expect then call them. After they have examined the gun and laser they will be able to tell you what is going on. So call Laser-Max. Get it set up with service to be checked. It will only take a week or so round trip. All is free except shipping and you must pay for the round trip in advance. So you will be out maybe another $30.00 more or less. You will find it to be the best thing out there. You will be totally satisfied with the service from Laser-Max.

Also consider that it could be improperly installed iron sights. Also I see in your pic where your laser is in reference to your sights, but what is POI. I am referring to what is the point of impact of the slug when fired. Make a reference to where the laser is when you fire and see if it is not dead on. This would confirm that it is not the laser but your iron sights

PS CrimsonTrace is not even a close contender.

[OXEN]

Originally posted by HK45Mark23
what is the point of impact of the slug when fired.

PS CrimsonTrace is not even a close contender.

If I'm holding the laser on the X the POI is low and to the right about 6-8".

I'm going to the range after work and will take some shots w/ it while resting on the bench. Both at the 7 & 15 yrd range.

I'll post pics of the targets tonight once I get home.

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I don't even think CT is an option, I've got a G30 and I don't think they've got ones for the .45's yet.

[OXEN]

I've got pics of my targets, they will be posted soon, but I not sure if the LM is off or if I just can't shoot.;g

But one thing is for sure, the LM and the iron sights don't line up the same.

[OXEN]

OK.

I've got two distances, 7 & 15 yrds.

The first is 7yrds. standing.

2nd is 7 yrds sitting.

3rd is 15yrd standing.

And the 4th is a combination of LM and Iron sights, the ones w/ the 2 and I by them are the iron shots.

Oh, and the cats were no where near the targets when I was shooting them. I don't want anyone calling PETA on me.


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[HK45Mark23]

Hey, I was in a hurry earlier. Just call Laser-Max. The technician may be busy and you may have to leave a contact number, but they are good about calling back. I think it was just an hour or so and he called me back. Look, I understand that you want this thing to be right. Especially for the money they need to be right. The first one I bought some one said, “Wow it is off.” I looked and sure enough it was several inches over from my Trijicons. I have wondered if the person who installed my night sights did not know what they were doing or if they wanted me to be in harms way if I ever needed my firearm. Any way my Trijicons were that far off. I took the gun in and had them adjusted so POI and POA were the same. The last one I bought I thought it was off. I sent it in and they test fired the gun and even sent me a copy of the targets where it was proved to be within factory specs. Again I needed to adjust my night sights. The laser-Max is at POI and the night sights are not being installed properly.

I assure you that Laser-Max will run you through several tests over the phone. You will check simple things that could be wrong. If you don’t pay attention during installation some simple things can go wrong and it can affect you accurate. It is nothing big but some people just miss some small details and do some thing a little backwards and never even notice. Note to those reading this, Laser-Max can be installed by a child properly it is so easy. After they have determined that it is installed properly and then that the dot is truly not where you expect it to be based on a few other test then they will set up service. I assure you that you will be totally satisfied with Laser-Max and their service. Here is the contact number 1-800-LASER-03.

Call them, just call them and let me know what service says.

HK45Mark23

[OXEN]

Imageshack puked out on #1 & #2 so I had to upload them again.

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[Dodgeballz]

Originally posted by HK45Mark23
The first one I bought some one said, “Wow it is off.” I looked and sure enough it was several inches over from my Trijicons. I have wondered if the person who installed my night sights did not know what they were doing or if they wanted me to be in harms way if I ever needed my firearm. Any way my Trijicons were that far off.

HK45Mark23

Just a quick question....Did you even shoot your pistol after the trijicons were installed?

[HK45Mark23]

I was new as was all the stuff. I had just got every thing and had not even had a chance to shoot the gun. I was not able to hit a barn back then. Wow how things change in 12 years. I have found that the Laser-Max product is so accurate and reliable that I can test my other sight methods for errors by comparing to the Laser-Max. Still to better trouble shoot your problem call Laser-Max. They really are good at troubleshooting their product over the phone. I assure you they have experienced every scenario possible and are more than willing to do what ever it takes to ensure your satisfaction. I know that just having a gun will detour most criminal activity, and it has worked for me every time so far. But some times just having it won’t do the trick and the next step is the physiological intimidation that the Laser-Max will impose. It really is one of the best training tools. You can see the nature of where POA changes when distance is factored. Yeah we all know that the projectile will drop at distances, but still you can get a feel for how rigid iron sights and lasers only give a small picture of performance, by moving from a close to a distant target and memorizing the difference of each sights POA. Add that to actual range time and POI you can learn to think in POA for Iron and POA for the laser and instantly know actual POI. AT extremely close quarters the dot will appear to be under or behind the front sight and the farther out the higher it will look. This can be used with your sight picture to make sure you are in line with the sights properly. What i mean is that if you are getting your sights lined up and then you think that the laser is over and up or what ever from your sights then either your sights are off or your head is not actually in alignment. Some people think the sight picture is perfect but in reality the center dot is over and up from dead center. I think the Laser-Max products can cure improper sighting due to instant feedback as to how you are sighting. I expect to find the dot at 7 yards to be just on top of the front sight as far as the target is concerned. I know that the projectile will hit within the laser or night sight aria period. The rest is up to be to hold the gun perfectly steal as the trigger is pulled the firing pin is released the primer is struck and power is burnt and then the slug moves through the tube to then breach the crown, and only after the breach of the crown can any movement take place or you will miss your target by a mile. If you can empty your gun physically and take a bullet, place on top of the slide lying down and sight the primer and pull the trigger on an empty chamber with out it moving and falling off then and only then can you hit your target consistently? Remember to triple and quadruple check your chamber and back stop. This exercise is a good one for steadiness but dangerous to any one not paying attention. Any one learning this from this I am not liable for your stupidity and ignorance. Us this training method at you own risk. Please only do this at a safe place in the country or at a firing range pointing down range. But this is good for learning how to shoot with out shooting. Remember you may flinch and if you do it will show up here and you may lean if you do it will show up here. When you shoot it must be in your head as if the gun is not going off when you pull the trigger. Once you train on dry chambers to be perfectly steady and not flinch you can and will hit with authority. Combine this with quick drawl training and practice you can then draw quickly and hit with authority. I never rely on my laser to be used as a sight but I do know that I am a much better shot after training with it. I also know that once a bad guy sees the flashing dot on his or her chest that they may do some soul searching and deeply consider their immediate fate.

HK45mrk23

[Dodgeballz]

How long do the batteries last? Saying you shoot 100-200 rds a week?And are they the same as hearing aide batteries?

[HK45Mark23]

You know this is a powerful laser that can be seen in low light or night time over a block away clearly. By the way if you were a block away and some one was doting the wall beside you the dot would be about a foot long and maybe even 2 inches wide, it does get bigger the further out, also the POI would be at the bottom from the dot if not maybe even a few inches below at that distance.

Now to answer your question. As I was saying the laser puts out allot of energy. This means a pack of batteries will last about one hour of continual use. I only use it for a moment at a time.

The factory does a 3 hour burn in time; I believe it is 3 hours. Any way there is no need to use it when you are going to the range matter of fact even though they are so rouged it would be smart to remove it and use the stock spring, take down lever and corresponding take down spring. It is so easy to change and it would preserve the life of the laser. Now I am in no way saying it can’t handle it. Laser-Max does use nice extra weight Wolf Springs. But lets be smart and only use it to learn to be more accurate in sighting, then practice live with the stock spring. This will preserve the life of the unit I would think. Again this is not a week or fragile unit and the adjustments are not going to change ever. But who wants to abuse a $300.00+ investment. Just train with it live fire some to see how it works train with sight picture but spend most of your live fire laser free. Also use it if you must as a deterrent to having go use your gun, and if you find your self behind barriers use it for sighting around obstacles with out having to expose your self by acquiring a proper sight picture.

HK45Mark23