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gixxer11
09-29-2005, 21:36
We all know cars like '69 Camaros, Vettes, Stangs, Impalas, 'Cudas, etc. will have a following for a long time, if not forever, but what do you guys think will be considred a classic in 2020? I think the Toyota Supra, WRX STI, Evo Lancer, current Mustang, would all make the list. Of course anything from Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, etc. are instant classics. I'm talking about "everyday" mass produced vehicles.

epsylum
09-29-2005, 22:33
The original Viper. It has a following now and I think for mopar fans it's the new Superbird. It has had great success in the GT2 class of the Le Mans series, so it has the race track cred to back it up.

Vette- It will always have a devoted following, especially that new 550 hp Z06 :drool:

Ford GT? maybe. I think it's an awesome car, but I think ford shouldn't put such a high price tag on it. But then again, what other car from the big 3 is actually hand made. Their answer to the Z06 should be easy.... MORE BOOST! well that and some more downforce to keep it planted at the higher velocities.

Anything Porsche, especially the Carerra GT. Anyone who got one needs to hang on to it since they basically cancelled production due to some stupid airbag law (Porsche decided it would cost way too much to smash up even more CGTs in impact tests just to conform to a stupid airbag law). Those will definately go WAY up in value.

Asha'man
09-29-2005, 23:35
Fox Mustangs. '87-'93 especially, but hopefully the four-eyed cars too ('79-'86).

Brian

dbrowne1
09-30-2005, 17:03
Originally posted by epsylum
Anything Porsche, especially the Carerra GT. Anyone who got one needs to hang on to it since they basically cancelled production due to some stupid airbag law (Porsche decided it would cost way too much to smash up even more CGTs in impact tests just to conform to a stupid airbag law). Those will definately go WAY up in value.

...from it's paltry, affordable sticker of $440,000 now.

I think the previous generation Audi S4 (with the 2.7 bi-turbo) and possibly even some of the 1.8T cars (TT225, A4 quattro) will have some value if kept well.

WRX STi might too. I'm not real thrilled with the current "regular" lineup from Porsche. The newest BMW M cars, and the 6 series coupes, are also candidates for classics. Supercharged MB AMGs as well.

Land Rover Defender 90 is very popular due to the airbag issue. Great if you live on an island or on a mountain.

epsylum
09-30-2005, 17:46
Originally posted by dbrowne1
...from it's paltry, affordable sticker of $440,000 now.

Never said it was affordable, but the thing will definately be worth millions in the future.

High dollar super car from a world class automaker that was cut short due to stupid laws thus limiting thier already limited production. Yeah the value will go up exponentially.

jetrecbn1
10-01-2005, 22:46
Nissan 300Z and Supra of the early 90's.
The new Mustang and Mini.

Ramtuff
10-02-2005, 20:19
The Pontiac Fiero. Love em or hate em, it's a two-seat mid-engine car that was only produced for 5 years...it has all the earmarks to make it a classic. It's already immensly popular due to being a very, very versitile platform (body kits, interior swaps, engine swaps).

gixxer11
10-02-2005, 20:50
Originally posted by Ramtuff
The Pontiac Fiero. Love em or hate em, it's a two-seat mid-engine car that was only produced for 5 years...it has all the earmarks to make it a classic. It's already immensly popular due to being a very, very versitile platform (body kits, interior swaps, engine swaps).

I agree.

dbrowne1
10-04-2005, 08:49
The 3rd (and last) generation of the Mazda RX-7. Great styling, great numbers, and a turbocharged wankel engine.

Plus the fact that the RX-8 is an abomination in virtually every way.

StockGlock23
10-04-2005, 15:37
Originally posted by jetrecbn1
Nissan 300Z



10-4

StockGlock23
10-04-2005, 15:38
Originally posted by dbrowne1
The 3rd (and last) generation of the Mazda RX-7. Great styling, great numbers, and a turbocharged wankel engine.



10-4

gixxer11
10-05-2005, 14:20
Originally posted by jetrecbn1
Nissan 300Z and Supra of the early 90's.
The new Mustang and Mini.

Yup. Those are awesome cars!


And the RX-8 is definately not a replacement for the 7. I saw an '95 RX-7 TT for $11k (light front damage, runs and drives). I would like to get something like that.

45acp4me
10-06-2005, 17:48
The Toyota MR2 turbo might make it to classic status. The Grand National is almost there already. The final year of the f body will make it. GM killed off a car that was finally getting good. Too bad the interior always sucked because performance wise it was beating the moosetang.

Ramtuff
10-07-2005, 18:46
Originally posted by 45acp4me
GM killed off a car that was finally getting good.

GM seems to have a habit of doing that. ;c

Sir Hacksalot
10-10-2005, 10:07
Originally posted by Asha'man
Fox Mustangs. '87-'93 especially, but hopefully the four-eyed cars too ('79-'86).

Brian

Yup. I just sold my two toys in the last 6 months, and well, I expect these cars, especially unmolested low mileage cars to go up in price. One was a pretty hot coupe and the other a stone stock hatchback...both LX cars, both 5 speed cars.

The most collectible, outside of the special edition cars (Saleen, Rousch, 7 up cars, etc.) will be the Police models and the notchback coupes.

FYI...I just sold a CHERRY 1993 Reef Blue hatchback, 5.0/5 speed car that was stone stock down to the AIR SILENCER with 105K miles for $6000. I was asking $6200, and was hoping for $5500...I was shocked when the guy offered me $6K, and my first thought was, I should have asked more.

Of all the cars in the 'modern muscle car era' the 5.0 Mustang is the STANDARD by which all other cars are judged, and NOTHING, I mean NOTHING sounds like a 5.0. It was cheap, lightweight, and very very very easy to make into a very quick and good handling car. In fact, my motto on a 5.0 that was in decent shape was, "if you can't make it run 12.99 or better, you're a moron."

The one thing I miss about my notch...the look on some import driving puke's face when he just got a look at the taillights of my car...particularly after they've just watched the slow and the stupid, I mean fast and furious.

Sir Hacksalot

AUG
10-12-2005, 18:38
I don't see anything of asian decent becomming a classic.

The new stang might make it to that status but it is too early to tell.

People should stop confusing low production with classics. The two things have nothing to do with each other.

From 1980-present the only classics I see are UN-ALTERED versions of:

Buick Grand Nationals
87-93 5.0 mustangs
454 SS Chevy pu's
all corvettes
Ford lightning trucks
96 and earlier Impala SS
Dodge vipers

I don't think mega priced super cars will ever be classics.

gixxer11
10-12-2005, 18:57
Originally posted by AUG
I don't see anything of asian decent becomming a classic.



Have you priced the last gen. Toyota Supras? They bring as much now w/ 100k mi on them as they did new! Those are for sure going to be worth even more money, since they are FAST and easy to make a ton of power. I'm with you on the 454SS pickup though. I helped start the new SS, Lightening, SRT, and all the other high-performace trucks.

AUG
10-12-2005, 21:02
I know those supras are priced really stupid right now. As for it being a classic I don't think in 25 years many people will be lined up to buy supras.

Not saying it is not an awesome car. Just not a classic by any stretch of the imagination.

Toxie
10-12-2005, 21:17
I know those supras are priced really stupid right now. As for it being a classic I don't think in 25 years many people will be lined up to buy supras.

The tuner kids of today are the "classic" decision makers for later. After all, a "classic" car is one that helped define the essence of a vehicle of a peticular era. The supra certianly did that, along with the 300Z.

No accounting for taste though. One man's classic is another man's Rice (or rustang).

BigC3031
10-13-2005, 17:25
I don't think you will see as many "classics" because they have so much stuff in them that will be hard to maintain. Up through the 70's there wasn't much to cars, now there is just to much for the average Joe to maintain.

Sir Hacksalot
10-14-2005, 08:02
Originally posted by BigC3031
I don't think you will see as many "classics" because they have so much stuff in them that will be hard to maintain. Up through the 70's there wasn't much to cars, now there is just to much for the average Joe to maintain.

Hard to maintain?

Have you ever worked on a 5.0 mustang? Heck, keeping a prehistoric carbureted car tuned is more difficult than that, and trained monkeys can work on them.

Just because it doesn't have a carburetor sitting on top of it, doesn't mean it can't be 'worked on', heck that usually means you DON'T have to work on it, and can spend your time driving it.

Hax

BigC3031
10-14-2005, 08:17
Hacks, I am talking 20 years from now. There are just to many components in vehicles that need model specific parts.

I agree that a carb is more labor intensive but you don't need special equipment/software to tune or maintain it. I might be wrong, I just don't see as many people restoring current cars compared to the older ones.

Sir Hacksalot
10-14-2005, 08:30
Originally posted by BigC3031
Hacks, I am talking 20 years from now. There are just to many components in vehicles that need model specific parts.

I agree that a carb is more labor intensive but you don't need special equipment/software to tune or maintain it. I might be wrong, I just don't see as many people restoring current cars compared to the older ones.

I gotcha now.

I guess I sort of have tunnel vision on that as the aftermarket for 5.0 Mustangs or windsor based engines is only eclipsed by the vaunted small block chevy.

FYI...you're dead on right about the Nova you posted about in the other thread...a light weight 68-72 Nova with a stout small block is potent medicine indeed.

In college, I had a 72 Nova with a 383 stroker, Dart heads, Comp Cams Cam, Intake, blah blah blah...it was a gas hog, but man oh man, was it fun to drive. That engine, combined with 4.30 gears, a Turbo 350 and a sloppy stall converter made straight line funning more fun than a bag of monkeys.

Hax

BigC3031
10-14-2005, 08:49
My 70 Nova has a 383 with 3.73 gear and a 5 speed tremec, it should kill any production car. I cannot wait.

I am a chevy guy hands down but you can build one heck of a sweet fox body on a budget.

gixxer11
10-14-2005, 20:01
Several of my friends are Toyota techs, and VERY professional guys. They've been telling me that in 10-15 years, most, if not all cars will be hybrids (aside from your high-end stuff). I got to ride in an '06 Toyota Highlander Hybrid. I hate to say it, but it really did have a lot of power (410 ft/lbs, 250hp I belive) for what it was, and it gets 30-60mpg! Times are changing, like it or not. Hybrids, CVT trannys, traction controls that YOU CAN'T switch off, is where it is heading. Keep that in mind, because a '95 Honda Civic probably will be a "classic", as funny as it sounds.

gixxer11
10-14-2005, 20:16
Originally posted by AUG
I know those supras are priced really stupid right now. As for it being a classic I don't think in 25 years many people will be lined up to buy supras.

Not saying it is not an awesome car. Just not a classic by any stretch of the imagination.

I completely disagree. I'm with toxie on this one. It's not a "fad" that cars like that are popular. Just because something is not made (how many are in the past 20years)in the USA, does not mean it not a great car, or won't be worth anything in the future. All the great twin-turbo Japanese cars are gone. Probably not to return. The new Supra is proposed to be a v-10, as well as the new NSX. The 300Z is now a 350 and not much talk of a production turbo version. Hell even the Eclipse sucks now (slow and ugly). Mazda F'ed up the RX-7 with the 8. Some people want something different than the tried and true V-8. Turbos are a good way to even the engine capacity gap. Just give it a good bottom end (which all the above cars have, especially the Supra) and crank up the boost. Any decent performace car with a turbo will always be worth something.

BigC3031
10-14-2005, 20:46
most people don't realize how many of the Toyotas, Hondas, etc are really made in the USA.

I doubt a civic will be a classic, maybe as much as a fairlane or something. I don't know, the ricer movement will never die off but will gain and lose momentum just like other muscle cars.

AUG
10-14-2005, 21:13
I hate to burst your bubble but a japanese car will never be a classic because to 99.9999999% of the population see a jap vehicle as a car that will always be a "reliable" econo box regardless of how many turbos it has.

TT supras will be the "custom vans" of tommorow.

Look back at this post in 20 yrs. and you will feel like the guy at the bar with the Winger T-shirt.

epsylum
10-14-2005, 23:28
Originally posted by AUG
I hate to burst your bubble but a japanese car will never be a classic because to 99.9999999% of the population see a jap vehicle as a car that will always be a "reliable" econo box regardless of how many turbos it has.

TT supras will be the "custom vans" of tommorow.

Look back at this post in 20 yrs. and you will feel like the guy at the bar with the Winger T-shirt.

No, you only see jap cars as a reliable econo box. Many other people see them for what they are. When I see a Supra, Skyline, 350z, RX-7 etc, I and many other people don't see think "wow what a nice reliable grocery getter". We think "man that's a bad ass sports car".

But then again I bet there were quite a few old school hot rodders that thought those new 70's muscle cars were just a fad. I mean they are so big and heavy compared to a T-bucket.
;Q

AUG
10-15-2005, 00:50
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AUG
10-15-2005, 00:53
How people try to justify their passions.


I'm still ;z ;z ;z ;z ;z ;z ;z ;z ;z ;z ;z ;z

epsylum
10-15-2005, 17:16
How people try to justify their passions.

Same to you buddy.

;B

bac1023
10-15-2005, 17:36
I agree that the last generation of RX-7 will be a classic in years to come. The styling is timeless, IMO.