need help.. kahr k9 elite 03' or kahr p9?(michigun)

[plumbum2]

hey guys. ive been strongly looking at one of the two over the weekend. im def. going to get ONE. just not sure which.
the gun will be iwb only. so the weight isnt really an issue.
any preferances.... thanks.

[LGCubana]

Question:
Originally posted by plumbum2
hey guys. ive been strongly looking at one of the two over the weekend. im def. going to get ONE. just not sure which.
the gun will be iwb only. so the weight isnt really an issue.
any preferances.... thanks.

Answer:
Originally posted by plumbum2
the gun will be iwb only. so the weight isnt really an issue.


The K9 is going to have less recoil. Also, you can customize the recoil of the K9.

http://www.gunsprings.com/SemiAuto/KahrNF.html

[warmrain]

If weight is not an issue than definately get the K9 Elite '03.

[plumbum2]

its like, i would LOVE to get the light weight of the p9, but mainly im looking at the WIDTH the most over weight. my main carry gun is a g19. and honestly sometimes i dont feel like carrying that hoss. :) i havent weighed it yet, but i bet fully loaded it tips about 2lbs? or more? plus being over an inch in width. so i fig. the weight of the k9 will help soak up the recoil of the smaller gun, and being smaller width wise will be better for "deeper" concealment when needed, or dont feel like carrying the bigger g19.

now the big question, is their a big diff. between the reg. k9 and the elite?

is the trigger pull still 1/2" on the elite like the rest of the nypd specd k9's?

it seems that people are always discussing the reliability, build quality ect of the polymer kahrs. but the metal ones seem like they are never mentioned, (to be bad)... tells ya something i guess

[warmrain]

plumbum2,

I have owned an MK9 Elite 98 for many years and it has been flawless, absolutely flawless for over 3,000. I also had a PM40 and currently have a PM9. I have been told that all the polymer Kahrs have the Elite trigger and I can at least verify that my polymers had the shorter "throw" of the Elite 98 trigger (although the Elite 98 feels smoother, it may be due to the number of rounds through it complarted to the light use of the polymers). IIRC the pull of the Elite trigger is close to 1/2", it is shorted than the std. Kahr. My Elite 98 MK9 feels a little lighter and smoother too.

Of the three I own, the all metal Kahr is far superior in fit and finish.

I carried the MK9 in a pocket holster and on the hip for over 5 years (in a Mitch Rosen PSF or UPL).

I definately hear you about width. The Glocks are hard for me to conceal and they aren't that much different in weight than the all stainless steel Kahrs. The slide width of the stainless and polymer Kahrs is, of course, identical; but the frame width of the polymers is slightly wider. This is not really a comfort or concealment issue, but it keeps the polymer guns from fitting into and drawing from a finely boned holster intended for the stainless version.

I hope this helps some...

Best,

[plumbum2]

THANKS! :)

now my real decision is to get the all black k9 or the elite?

i usually prefer all black guns. i was just wondering what the real differances were between the elite and reg. k?

just some rounding of sharp edges and laser etching?

[warmrain]

plumbum2,

No rounding of edges AFAIK. The Elites and the Polymers both have the Elite trigger (I am told, and it seems to be true based on my examples).

On my Elite 98 the Laser etches is prettier and the slide is polished instead of matte finished. Besides that and the trigger, that it IIRC.

Money no object.. get the Elite and coat it with Roguard or Birdsong Black T.

[Michigun]

Originally posted by plumbum2
its like, i would LOVE to get the light weight of the p9, but mainly im looking at the WIDTH the most over weight. my main carry gun is a g19. and honestly sometimes i dont feel like carrying that hoss. :) i havent weighed it yet, but i bet fully loaded it tips about 2lbs? or more? plus being over an inch in width. so i fig. the weight of the k9 will help soak up the recoil of the smaller gun, and being smaller width wise will be better for "deeper" concealment when needed, or dont feel like carrying the bigger g19.

plumbum2, 1st let me say that I own both a K9 & a G19 currently & I’ve compared them to each other at length trying to decide which I would prefer to CCW… (I believe that I’ve done my comparisons with absolutely no bias seeing how I love my Kahr’s & GLOCK’s equally.)

Here’s the scoop:

* The 7+1 fully-loaded K9 weighs only 2 oz less then the 15+1 fully-loaded G19… that’s only a 1/8th of a pound difference!

* The grip on the handgun is the hardest thing to conceal while CCW’ing on a belt 1st & foremost… the K9’s grip has rubber grip panels that make it’s grip overall nearly IDENTICAL to that of the G19’s! (I do have to say however that the K9’s rubber grip panels are rounded so their profile as a whole is a tad easier to hide -vs- the GLOCK’s more flat overall profile.)

* The K9’s height is just a hair less overall then the G19’s… we’re only looking at 3/8th of an inch here…

Overall I really can’t tell a big difference between belt carrying my K9 or belt carrying my G19 size wise… for me it came down to a weight thing……. & seeing how the 7+1 fully-loaded K9 & the 15+1 fully-loaded G19+1 weigh so close to each other I’d rather have the G19’s DOUBLE capacity. (I choose my G19 over my K9 for CCW 9 times out of 10.)

Okay, now with taking all of the above into account I’ll compare the P9 to the K9:

* The fully-loaded P9 weighs nearly a half a pound less then the K9… now we’re getting somewhere! :)

* Seeing how the P9’s polymer frame has no rubber grip panels its grip is no wider then the slide… not true with the K9. (Keep in mind the “grip is the hardest thing to conceal” deal from above.)

* Of course all other dimensions are the same & a non-issue…

To me the P9’s grip width & weight deduction, over the K9, is something to get excited over… ESPECIALLY when comparing a P9, K9 & G19! If I need deeper concealment over my G19 I’m going right to the P9 (Or better yet a P9 Covert! ;)) as it’s a better step in the right direction.

DISCLAIMER: The above is my opinion & just the way I see it… some might not see it this way & that’s fine as the K9 in any form is a VERY nice pistol… I just want to put it out there just in case it turns any light bulbs on for anyone else. ^c

Originally posted by plumbum2
now the big question, is their a big diff. between the reg. k9 and the elite?

is the trigger pull still 1/2" on the elite like the rest of the nypd specd k9's?

The biggest difference between the elite trigger & the standard trigger is the pull reduction you get with the elite trigger… both trigger’s pull weight is meant to be close to the same. (Oh yeah, the elite trigger does have polished sides ;f… this is for looks & not for function.)

Me personally? I’d go for the elite trigger one way or another... which is what I did when I replaced my non-elite K9’s standard trigger with an elite trigger… I REALLY like that elite trigger! ^c

Originally posted by plumbum2
it seems that people are always discussing the reliability, build quality ect of the polymer kahrs. but the metal ones seem like they are never mentioned, (to be bad)... tells ya something i guess

It kinda sounds to me that what you really want is the K9… there’s ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with that as long as you understand the above. ^c (The K9 is a fine choice & confidence in you defensive weapon is a good thing.)

That being said, I honestly believe that your chances of getting a bad P9 is slim to none.

[warmrain]

Good stuff Michigun,

I only have to add that if you are small of frame and want to carry IWB or in the front pant pocket the width of the Kahr makes it much easier to conceal, or at least more comfortable (as you said, this is just my experience).

Best

[plumbum2]

THANKS MICHIGUN! actually i hate you!:( :(

i thought for sure i talked myself into the elite k9, now after your statement i might go ahead with the p9 again!lol. :)

after all, the WHOLE reason i was getting one of these in the first place was to be a DEEP concealment gun. when i didnt feel like carrying the 19 or couldnt. i have a j frame i carry iwb all the time and love it. but the reloads suck ect...

and since it wont get a TON of range time it should be alright i guess.(p9)

warmrain.. nah, im 6'2 215lb. and i usually always hate pocket carry....

[warmrain]

Originally posted by plumbum2
...warmrain.. nah, im 6'2 215lb. and i usually always hate pocket carry...
Big guy like you... Do the K9 or MK9, maybe the Elite in you want the nicer trigger. If you desire black then there are options too: from Kahr, Roguard, or others (e.g. Birdsong).

BTW, I just today got the Kimber Ultra CDP (3" allow framed 1911) back from Robar and not only is it drop deap gorgeous (two-tone Roguard and NP3 to match the original colors), it has never fundtioned better. I attribute this to the lubricity of the coatings...

I am VERY pleased.

[plumbum2]

hmmm. i wish i could handle both of them side by side. its funny all of the shops around me barely stock 1!!

usually pm9. never a k9. even at the shop with just about every handgun made.

ok its a toss up between the p9 and k9.... i think ill prob. stay with the p9, just for overall weight ect. since im buying it to be SMALLER than the g19....


i havent noticed as much, but are their a TON of reliability issues with the p9 as the pm9?

[Michigun]

Originally posted by plumbum2
THANKS MICHIGUN! actually i hate you!:( :(

;f

Originally posted by plumbum2
hmmm. i wish i could handle both of them side by side.

Where ya at in MI plumbum2? I have a K9, P9 & P9 Covert you can look at side by side by side... you can even shoot them if ya want. ^c

Originally posted by plumbum2
since im buying it to be SMALLER than the g19....

Well, the K9 IS smaller then the G19, just not by much... the P9 beats them both.

Originally posted by plumbum2
i havent noticed as much, but are their a TON of reliability issues with the p9 as the pm9?

No... the P9 was Kahr's very 1st polymer gun design... it's been around for quit a while now & is the most proven.

[Michigun]

Originally posted by warmrain
I only have to add that if you are small of frame and want to carry IWB or in the front pant pocket the width of the Kahr makes it much easier to conceal, or at least more comfortable (as you said, this is just my experience).

I can defiantly see that. ^c

For most overall width is the 2nd hardest thing to conceal on the belt line... pocket carry is a whole other beast... with that grip length, overall width & weight are all just about equal to each other.

[plumbum2]

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