SU-16C, Eotech 512, 3/8" pleasant surprise

[OutintheWoods]

Had a pleasant surprise today while fine tuning my new Eotech 512 on my SU-16C.

One string of two shots at the 50 yard line measured 3/8 of an inch. That 3/4" at 100 yards. Less than a MOA. Substantially less.

All from a non magnified optic off of a rickety plastic garden table/chair, on a breezy day. The target was a 3" orange target dot on a blank piece of white copy paper.

I was also in the middle of removing the Eotech 512 and remounting it to check if it held zero.

To get such accuracy from a rifle of this type is incredible. Especially with my 44 year old eyes. It is no doubt as accurate as any rifle I have ever owned of any action type. The right optic just proves this rifle can run with the best of them if the shooter does his part. Even with the stock trigger. A trigger that while very good for its purpose, certainly wouldn't qualify in its own right as a target trigger.

This was while shooting Israeli IMI ball, Q3131A. Not match grade ammo by any means.

Any doubters are free to PM me with your email address and I will send you a pic of the target.

[ToyotaMan]

Do it again . . .

[OutintheWoods]

Originally posted by ToyotaMan
Do it again . . .

I'm sure I will.

I've only got a couple of hundred rounds through the rifle. They often get better with time.

But let me be clear. This is no target rifle. It's all business and K.I.S.S. philosophy throughout.

The trigger is firm but actually quite good and predictable. Very simple design. The stock iron is anything but target quality but will put 5.56mm rounds in the torso area at 1-200 yards all day long. The front is AR type, but the rear is of the rather large ghost ring variety.

One needs some sort of decent optic to really get the most out of this rifle. But the innate accuracy is certainly there.

It's helpful to point out, if you're one of those that can't live without co-witnessing your irons you wont like the SU. The stock irons are too low to co-witness. But with the loosening of one thumbscrew on the Eotech it's back to irons. Doesn't really take much more time than flipping up a rear sight if necessary. That's one reason why I didn't go the cheap route with the optic.

All things considered, Kel-Tec has a very good rifle here, already.

And the best part about it. The SU-16C, Eotech 512, tactical sling kit ... together weigh less than the basic AR, and also together cost less than a basic AR of the same type from the big three.

Did I mention it takes a whole 5 minutes to clean? You know all that crud you get on your bolt, carrier, etc.... when you fire a couple of hundred rounds out of your AR? Nothing on my bolt. It all stays in the gas tube where it is simply wiped off every 500 rounds or so.

This ones a keeper.

[ThinkOfTheChildren]

Sounds like a fun package.

But am I reading you right that you're judging the rifle's accuracy based on a two-shot group? If so, I don't really call that a measure of the rifle's accuracy. Anything could happen with 2 rounds: some people don't even consider a 3 round group much. If it can hold that level of accuracy for a 5 round group, that's a far different story.

I'd also see what it can do at 100 yds before just assuming that it will be a linear increase from its 50 yd performance.

Anyway, not trying to crap on you or your rifle. Like I said, sounds like a neat package. Just saying that you might want to evaluate it based on a larger group.

[OutintheWoods]

Originally posted by ThinkOfTheChildren
Sounds like a fun package.

But am I reading you right that you're judging the rifle's accuracy based on a two-shot group? If so, I don't really call that a measure of the rifle's accuracy. Anything could happen with 2 rounds: some people don't even consider a 3 round group much. If it can hold that level of accuracy for a 5 round group, that's a far different story.

I'd also see what it can do at 100 yds before just assuming that it will be a linear increase from its 50 yd performance.

Anyway, not trying to crap on you or your rifle. Like I said, sounds like a neat package. Just saying that you might want to evaluate it based on a larger group.

Agreed.

Wasn't testing it for accuracy. Heck I was using a no magnification eotech holosight.

Just refining the zero on the Eotech off a rickety plastic table and chair.

Point is this rifle is very accurate. At least as accurate out of the box as any AR I've owned, or the A-1 I carried in the Marines.

But that makes sense. Ahead of the bolt face there is very little difference between the two, except for the lack of chrome in the SU.

I think it's a given that most modern rifles are capable of sub MOA performance, given the right ammo, optic, and conditions. Often the lack of such accuracy is a result of the shooter, not the rifle.

Nice to know this new production by Kel-Tec can do so as well.

Did I mention fully tricked out it weighs and costs less than an out of the box AR? And it takes a full 5 minutes to clean?

As for a fun package. Yes I suppose. My main consideration is one of tactical, survival and SHTF preparedness. Preparing my rifle is alot like work. I suppose it has something to do with my time spent in the Marines. My standards of performance are fairly high.

But usually I'm not concerned with accuracy below an MOA on a rifle of this type. So you understand my surprise at such groups from what is basically a new rifle while using the Eotech.

One can only ponder what is possible off of a bench with a precision magnified optic, if that is ones desire. Although I am aware one of our guys over at the KT forum got 15/16" groups at 100 yards with a good optic off the bench with his SU-16C.

Pardon my enthusiasm.

[switch625]

Congrats. Hope I have the same luck sighting in my new rifle w/Eotech next weekend.

[OutintheWoods]

Originally posted by switch625
Congrats. Hope I have the same luck sighting in my new rifle w/Eotech next weekend.

Good luck, the Eotech rocks.