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All of my mags suffer from this problem. The top round fits flush with the mag lips, but the round below it is basically parallel to the base, with no angle. This causes a substantial gap between the front of the bullets of the top two rounds in the magazine. I haven't had a malfunction yet, but the top round fairly often comes lose from the magazine, and is left loose in my carrier or my pocket.
The only way I can solve this is to use a mag carrier with a slant to match the angle of the mag lips. However, I would like the option of carrying the mag in my other carriers or in my back pocket.
Kahr sent me some replacement followers, but these don't help.
Any ideas?
Rusty Shackleford
10-06-2005, 18:53
I'm not sure if it's the exact same thing you're describing, but the flush-fitting mag that came with my PM9 seems like the lips are a bit wide, and the top round pokes up at more of an angle than it looks like it should. (ie not parallel to the others in the mag) It was no problem until the last time I went to the range. I had a stoppage, and the cause was pretty clear since I could see the nose of a bullet in a vertical position between my front and rear sights. The empty case had ejected and the top round in the magazine popped up, getting caught between the breech face and barrel sticking straight up out of the ejection port.
The 7 round mag that came with the pistol seems to have a tighter tolerance at the feed lips and all the rounds sit parallel to one another... I'm not sure what the deal is with this.
ProfMoriarty
10-06-2005, 19:14
Given enough time and movement a Kahr mag in your pocket or an ill-fitting pouch will empty its contents.
A proper pouch is the only reliable way to prevent it.
hayseed_40
10-06-2005, 19:27
Be certain the follower is the correct caliber and the spring is in correct. These can make that problem.
Originally posted by ProfMoriarty
Given enough time and movement a Kahr mag in your pocket or an ill-fitting pouch will empty its contents.
A proper pouch is the only reliable way to prevent it.
Yeah, I know. My Alessi with the slant is the only mag pouch I've got that doesn't do it. My Horseshoe Leather, Galco, and Dillon pouches are flat on the bottom, and they all cause it.
Originally posted by hayseed_40
Be certain the follower is the correct caliber and the spring is in correct. These can make that problem.
It does it with all 5 of my factory mags. Always has, even before disassembly and inspection.
Originally posted by Rusty Shackleford
I'm not sure if it's the exact same thing you're describing, but the flush-fitting mag that came with my PM9 seems like the lips are a bit wide, and the top round pokes up at more of an angle than it looks like it should. (ie not parallel to the others in the mag) It was no problem until the last time I went to the range. I had a stoppage, and the cause was pretty clear since I could see the nose of a bullet in a vertical position between my front and rear sights. The empty case had ejected and the top round in the magazine popped up, getting caught between the breech face and barrel sticking straight up out of the ejection port.
That ain't cool!
ProfMoriarty
10-06-2005, 20:37
Originally posted by h2o-5o
Yeah, I know. My Alessi with the slant is the only mag pouch I've got that doesn't do it. My Horseshoe Leather, Galco, and Dillon pouches are flat on the bottom, and they all cause it.
Exactly.
Mine is an Alessi double mag pouch and the correct slant is present.
Originally posted by ProfMoriarty
Exactly.
You can the see the slant outline on my Alessi double pouch:
http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL670/2623856/5228821/73408490.jpg
Well, it does seems odd that the Kahr mags are the only ones out of my collection that require the slant.
Once the top round is removed, leaving only 6 in the mag, it is no longer an issue. It makes me think the mag spring is not strong enough to properly tension all seven rounds.
hayseed_40
10-06-2005, 23:17
The sit sounds like crap. I would not carry a gun that the rounds fall out at anytime. What if is in your pocket, you drop it, etc and you do not have it in your pretty matching mag holder? You should not need to rely on a certain brand mag hold to carry these mags.
Are you sure you are seating fully in the mag? What ammo are you using? Odd to have on all mags? Do the rounds insert easily?
Originally posted by hayseed_40
Are you sure you are seating fully in the mag? What ammo are you using? Odd to have on all mags? Do the rounds insert easily?
Yes, I know how to load rounds into a magazine. Happens with every type of ammo I've tried - GD 124+P, GD 147, WWB 115, Fed 115, Fed 115 +P+. Yes, happens with every mag. Yes, the rounds load with a normal resistance.
FYI, there is another thread regarding this issue in NGF currently. There is also reference to this issue on several other sites, so I suppose I'm not alone.
hayseed_40
10-07-2005, 06:22
Didn't mean to sound as if you do not know how - just need to check off every possible solution.
It is just wrong to have this kind of problem.
ProfMoriarty
10-07-2005, 09:52
Originally posted by h2o-5o
Well, it does seems odd that the Kahr mags are the only ones out of my collection that require the slant.
Once the top round is removed, leaving only 6 in the mag, it is no longer an issue. It makes me think the mag spring is not strong enough to properly tension all seven rounds.
I only use 6 round mags, however even after the first round pops out, its still an issue.
Left to rattle around long enough, the mag will dump several rounds.
I left a spare mage loose in the front pouch of a fanny pack once and three rounds had escaped from the magazine when I looked a few days later.
hayseed_40
10-07-2005, 10:51
For my MK40, I keep mags in my pocket, in the jeep visor, center console - just about anywhere I may need an extra. Never had a round move, rattle, or fall out. This is on the flat base and ext base.
ProfMoriarty
10-07-2005, 10:58
Originally posted by hayseed_40
For my MK40, I keep mags in my pocket, in the jeep visor, center console - just about anywhere I may need an extra. Never had a round move, rattle, or fall out. This is on the flat base and ext base.
Never had rounds pop out of my Sig P220 magazines either....
The 9mm case is slightly tapered which, when combined with the magazine lip design of the MK9, makes it more prone to working itself out.
Originally posted by ProfMoriarty
Never had rounds pop out of my Sig P220 magazines either....
The 9mm case is slightly tapered which, when combined with the magazine lip design of the MK9, makes it more prone to working itself out.
Without going into a boast of all the handguns I own or have owned, suffice to say that the Kahr 9mm P-9 magazines are the only magazines out of many different models from several different manufacturers that have this issue.
I just wonder if, with the Kahr 9mm, it's a design issue, a defect issue, or something else. My research indicates I am far from the only one who has experienced this issue. The only solutions I've seen so far appear to be replacing the entire magazine and hoping it works, using a slanted magazine pouch, or placing some padding material in the bottom of the magazine pouch to cushion the top round.
ProfMoriarty
10-07-2005, 11:30
Originally posted by h2o-5o
Without going into a boast of all the handguns I own or have owned, suffice to say that the Kahr 9mm P-9 magazines are the only magazines out of many different models from several different manufacturers that have this issue.
I just wonder if, with the Kahr 9mm, it's a design issue, a defect issue, or something else. My research indicates I am far from the only one who has experienced this issue. The only solutions I've seen so far appear to be replacing the entire magazine and hoping it works, using a slanted magazine pouch, or placing some padding material in the bottom of the magazine pouch to cushion the top round.
I used the Sig P220 as an example because, like the S&W 40 and unlike the 9mm, 45 ACP cases are non tapered.
Kahr mags are the only ones I've had lose rounds as well. However, since I use a magazine carrier for accessibility as well as security , it's a design idiocyncracy/flaw that doesn't matter to me.
hayseed_40
10-07-2005, 12:05
Originally posted by ProfMoriarty
Kahr mags are the only ones I've had lose rounds as well. However, since I use a magazine carrier for accessibility as well as security , it's a design idiocyncracy/flaw that doesn't matter to me.
You call losing rounds on a self-defense tool an idiocycncracy??? Does not sound like security to me. You might as well use a Pez dispenser if you must use a mag carrier to keep rounds from falling out. I prefer a mag carrier when applicable - but many times just stashed in a pocket. Mags are a major weak spot of an autoloader and they must be 110% reliable. I could not carry a gun knowing that there may be a full mag or there may not be a full mag when I reload - or the mag could be jammed, etc.
The only rounds I want to lose are those going at the BG.
As many of these mags in 9mm they are selling - can't they get it right?? How rare is this problem? I guess chalk another one up for the 40;a
Michigun
10-07-2005, 13:14
Originally posted by h2o-5o
Without going into a boast of all the handguns I own or have owned, suffice to say that the Kahr 9mm P-9 magazines are the only magazines out of many different models from several different manufacturers that have this issue.
There is no other gun/magazine design like the Kahr, it is VERY unique & therefore can't be compared to other gun/mag designs out there... I've seen ALL of my Kahr mags do this when not stored like ALL spare mags should be. (ANY mag with no carrier is just looking to suck up something foreign… now, to me THAT is a malfunction waiting to happen with ANY mag design out there.) I don’t see any problem with the Kahr mag design as I make sure to carry them the correct way.
I agree 100% with EVERYTHING ProfMoriarty has posted in here thus far.
FYI, my kydex FIST Kahr mag carriers also keep my rounds in place. ^c
hayseed_40
10-07-2005, 13:53
Usually the best way to carry mags is in a mag carrier - but not always the "right" way. My point is that a gun solely designed for self defense has mags that can lose rounds when not in a "certified" (at the right angle and/or modified) mag carrier does not make sense to me. These are made subcompact and to be put places that normally you might put a gun/mag (opening myself up for comments). As far as my mags being in dirty places (pockets, visors, etc), the mags are inspected and cleaned (usually wiped with a silicone cloth) every night.
Kahrs are an animal all to themselves - which is a strong point for them and why I like them so much. That is why I did not comment on the fact that no other gun I carry does this problem. If it did, it would not be carried. To me it is like if a gun loses it slide release pin when reholstering except in certain holsters or unless holstering upsidedown.
I am sorry for beating the horse. It seems that you are just settling for something that should not be. I refuse (my wife's german is rubbing off) to base my mag carrier choice on which will hold its rounds. Again, make it right or don't make it at all.
My mags are on notice - any mag losing a round will be shot.
Rant off.:soap:
Michigun
10-07-2005, 14:01
Originally posted by hayseed_40
As far as my mags being in dirty places (pockets, visors, etc), the mags are inspected and cleaned (usually wiped with a silicone cloth) every night.
What guarantees that something won’t find its way into your mags after their cleanings the night before? ;)
hayseed_40
10-07-2005, 14:10
Originally posted by Michigun
What guarantees that something won’t find its way into your mags after their cleanings the night before? ;)
Do you mean like a spider?
After cleaning, they are triple wrapped in a space age polymer cling wrap. This is done in a Clean Room environment and handled by virgin baboons wearing gloves.
Originally posted by Michigun
There is no other gun/magazine design like the Kahr, it is VERY unique & therefore can't be compared to other gun/mag designs out there... I've seen ALL of my Kahr mags do this when not stored like ALL spare mags should be. (ANY mag with no carrier is just looking to suck up something foreign… now, to me THAT is a malfunction waiting to happen with ANY mag design out there.) I don’t see any problem with the Kahr mag design as I make sure to carry them the correct way.
I suppose it's all fine and well that you can live with it as-is.
Remember, it also does this with the vast majority of magazine carriers, which are designed with a flat bottom, thereby allowing the user to choose the direction their ammunition faces when inserted, in addition to when being carried loose in a pocket.
Personally, I have a problem with a survival tool that fails to function properly under less than ideal conditions.
Michigun
10-07-2005, 14:52
Originally posted by h2o-5o
I suppose it's all fine and well that you can live with it as-is.
Yup, & I don't believe I said others had to do the same. ^c
Originally posted by h2o-5o
Remember, it also does this with the vast majority of magazine carriers, which are designed with a flat bottom, thereby allowing the user to choose the direction their ammunition faces when inserted, in addition to when being carried loose in a pocket.
Is there any other way then "bullets forward"?
Originally posted by h2o-5o
Personally, I have a problem with a survival tool that fails to function properly under less than ideal conditions.
That's fine of course, but what will take the place of the Kahr?
FYI, the Kahr magazine’s feed lips are the way they are for a reason... if they weren't shaped the way the are you'd have BIG problems with the Kahr's unique offset feed ramp, which is what allows the Kahr design to be so small/thin with such a long barrel for its size.
Originally posted by Michigun
Yup, & I don't believe I said others had to do the same. ^c
By saying you carry your mags "the correct way", it implies any other way is incorrect.
Is there any other way then "bullets forward"?
Some folks like to carry the other way, for whatever reason. Also, some people are left handed, so the bullets point to the rear for them, with the same mag pouch on their off-side.
That's fine of course, but what will take the place of the Kahr?
Currently, a Glock 27, S & W 642, or a Sig P239. All conceal as well for me, when carrying in the same locations as my P-9.
FYI, the Kahr magazine’s feed lips are the way they are for a reason... if they weren't shaped the way the are you'd have BIG problems with the Kahr's unique offset feed ramp, which is what allows the Kahr design to be so small/thin with such a long barrel for its size.
Still shouldn't mean you lose rounds from a loaded magazine so easily.
1/2 cocked
10-07-2005, 16:18
Hello,
I had a hell of a time getting the last round into my T-9. The top round would then pop out with the slightest disturbance. I cut the last coil off each mag spring. The bullets fit snuggly but I was able to get the last round in. Several hundred rounds later it still keeps feeding perfectly.
Of course thats just my opinion I could be wrong.
ProfMoriarty
10-07-2005, 16:36
Originally posted by 1/2 cocked
Hello,
I had a hell of a time getting the last round into my T-9. The top round would then pop out with the slightest disturbance. I cut the last coil off each mag spring. The bullets fit snuggly but I was able to get the last round in. Several hundred rounds later it still keeps feeding perfectly.
Of course thats just my opinion I could be wrong.
What you describe is not uncommon with many new magazines.
G19's are some that come to mind.
The usual practice is to load them and let them set for a day. Then repeat.
They usually loosen up considerably after the second load and set cycle.
Michigun
10-07-2005, 19:53
Originally posted by h2o-5o
By saying you carry your mags "the correct way", it implies any other way is incorrect.
And I can't change that either. :)
Originally posted by h2o-5o
Some folks like to carry the other way, for whatever reason. Also, some people are left handed, so the bullets point to the rear for them, with the same mag pouch on their off-side.
Left handed people need left handed holsters.
Originally posted by h2o-5o
Currently, a Glock 27, S & W 642, or a Sig P239. All conceal as well for me, when carrying in the same locations as my P-9.
There ya go then. ^c
Originally posted by h2o-5o
Still shouldn't mean you lose rounds from a loaded magazine so easily.
Still doesn't change the fact.
NailShooter
10-11-2005, 08:46
quote:
"Given enough time and movement a Kahr mag in your pocket or an ill-fitting pouch will empty its contents."
____________________________________
Don't know as I have that much time left. :) I've had a top round pop out once while a mag was carried loose in the pocket with no pouch. Once in 3 1/2 yrs. Never had a mag go full auto and empty itself either. The mags are from an early GA serial # MK9, they also have the metal followers. My MK9 is in my carry rotation, so it sometimes does not get carried daily.
I know I should keep the mags covered to keep the dirt and lint out, and will be buying or making a protective leather sleeve/pouch. Thanks for the tip on the ones w/ the angled ends working better.;c
The feed lip spacing on my mags is: .340" to .350" measured near the front of the feed lips. Top round angles up, next one down is flat.
I've been carrying 147's. Do you think bullet brand, length or weight has anything to do with this problem, or have you seen it happen irrespective of ammo loaded in your mags?
ProfMoriarty
10-11-2005, 10:15
I have an early production MK9.
I have older and newer magazines.
All of my magazines have plastic followers.
None of this makes any difference. Nor does bullet weight, style, etc.
Kahr mags release cartridges because of the tapered case of the 9mm combined with the asymmetrical lip design of the magazine. The right feed lip is only parallel with the left feed lip for 1/4" before it begins taper down.
NailShooter
10-11-2005, 11:02
"Kahr mags release cartridges because of the tapered case of the 9mm combined with the asymmetrical lip design of the magazine."
Prof M,
I have noticed the asymmetrical feed lips before. Perhaps this is due to the offset feed ramp that the bbl has.
HOWEVER, I THINK I MAY HAVE NOTICED SOMETHING IMPORTANT REGARDING THIS PROBLEM. While pushing the top round of a loaded mag forward and backward a little, I noticed the top round does in fact rimlock over the 2nd round with a distinctive "pop" in my mags. It happens when the top round is pushed FULLY to the rear. This is aided by the fact that the top round angles up, and the 2nd round lies flat. The rim of the top round actually does fall into the groove ahead of the 2nd round's rim. This seems to be enough to hold all the little boys in place in my mags.
It looks like one should be careful to achieve this "rimlock" when loading the top round to minimize the chance of the top round going its own way. Pay attention to this as you top off your mag!
NailShooter
10-11-2005, 12:56
"......but the top round fairly often comes loose from the magazine, and is left loose in my carrier or my pocket.
The only way I can solve this is to use a mag carrier with a slant to match the angle of the mag lips."
This makes sense because inserting the mag into a flat bottomed carrier would "unlock" the top round from the 2nd round. See above post.
warmrain
10-12-2005, 16:13
Originally posted by h2o-5o
Yeah, I know. My Alessi with the slant is the only mag pouch I've got that doesn't do it. My Horseshoe Leather, Galco, and Dillon pouches are flat on the bottom, and they all cause it.
I'm having excellent results with a Milt Sparks pocket magazine holster (off side). It is perfectly bones to a loaded Kahr magazine and prevents any lost rounds.
Originally posted by NailShooter
Prof M,
HOWEVER, I THINK I MAY HAVE NOTICED SOMETHING IMPORTANT REGARDING THIS PROBLEM. While pushing the top round of a loaded mag forward and backward a little, I noticed the top round does in fact rimlock over the 2nd round with a distinctive "pop" in my mags.
+1
I have had the same problem where the 1st round pops out. Then the next round becomes the first round and it poops out to. I have even seen it do a chain reaction where I will loose 2-3 rounds all at once. I have totaly given up carrying an extra mag in the pocket. The design is flawed and when I called Kahr about it they blew it off. But what ever it is worth you are not the only one who looses round out of their kahr 9mm magazines. Also the rim lock is better than nothing but it is not as good as Kahr going back to the drawing board and redsigning the mag lips.
warmrain
10-13-2005, 11:23
This is characteristic of the Kahr magazine. I have had a round pop out of the top of the magazine as I was inserting it into the mag well. This definately messes up a reload. I addmitedly was getting a little tired and sloppy after a full day of training. But still, it is something to be aware of.
Spare magazine options for me are now:
1. I leatherman type holder (the one for the full size tool fits perfectly and they can be ordered with a stainless belt clip).
2. A Milt Sparks off side pocket magazine "holster".
3. A IWB or OWB spare magazine holster.
I have never lost a round out of a mazazine carrying in one of these ways.
Best,
ProfMoriarty
10-13-2005, 12:22
Originally posted by Gokyo
The design is flawed and when I called Kahr about it they blew it off.
The design is actually essential to the functioning of the firearm.
The magazine is designed to release its round with minimal travel and in the proper direction to engage the feed ramp and chamber roof at the right point and time.
Everything in the small Kahrs has to happen quickly. In fact, take a look at the weird shaped ejection port. The front cutout is there to allow the ejection of a loaded round that otherwise wouldn't have room to clear the slide.
A magazine that requires a carrier is a small price to pay for a reliable true defensive caliber semi-auto of such small size.
Michigun
10-13-2005, 12:32
Originally posted by ProfMoriarty
The design is actually essential to the functioning of the firearm.
What does that make it now... the 5th time that this has been stated in this thread? :) (I’m thinking they aren’t getting it…)
Originally posted by ProfMoriarty
A magazine that requires a carrier is a small price to pay for a reliable true defensive caliber semi-auto of such small size.
EXACTLY correct!
Originally posted by Michigun
What does that make it now... the 5th time that this has been stated in this thread? :) (I’m thinking they aren’t getting it…)
EXACTLY correct!
I suppose it would be nice then if Kahr would acknowledge it themselves, instead of replying "defective follower" or "defective magazine", as they have to me in emails with Dottie.;Q
Michigun
10-13-2005, 13:18
Originally posted by h2o-5o
I suppose it would be nice then if Kahr would acknowledge it themselves, instead of replying "defective follower" or "defective magazine", as they have to me in emails with Dottie.;Q
It's called a “psychological fix”. ^c
Originally posted by Michigun
It's called a “psychological fix”. ^c
Besides being condescending, your response is also idiotic.
I'm sure it makes perfect business sense to send out replacement followers and replacement magazines, instead of merely saying "that's how it's designed" - NOT. Kahr has always been forthright in their information for gun owners. I remember my first K-9's owners manual had an insert with the types of ammo they had tried, listed by brand names, as well as what they intended to try. It even seems like they were soliciting feedback from purchasers.
Additionally, the problem in question also occurs in magazine pouches with flat bottoms, such as Rosen mag pouch (http://www.kahrshop.com/cgi-bin/itemdetail.asp?itmid=768) , that Kahr sells on their own website. It doesn't make much sense to me for a company to sell an accessory that they know, by design, is incompatible with their product.
Michigun
10-13-2005, 13:39
Originally posted by h2o-5o
Besides being condescending, your response is also idiotic.
I haven't meant someone in your line of work yet that has a sense of humor... I always thought it was just a MI DNR officer thing, but I guess I now know that isn't true. :)
(By the way, you may be quite surprised on the “psychological fix” thing.)
Originally posted by Michigun
I haven't meant someone in your line of work yet that has a sense of humor... I always thought it was just a MI DNR officer thing, but I guess I now know that isn't true. :)
(By the way, you may be quite surprised on the “psychological fix” thing.)
Naah, the attitude you're referring to usually comes after years of dealing with idiots. ;)
Any reason why you didn't comment on the rest of my previous post?
warmrain
10-13-2005, 13:48
As a point of reference I've been training with and carruing a Mitch Rosen SOS for the Kahr 9mm magazine (and SureFire Executive E2) that is so closely boned that no way a round can drop out of the magazine. It's funny that the Rosen offered by Kahr is not. By the look of the photo it is from his "express line" and may even be generic; not boned specifically to the Kahr magazine...
Of the 5 Rosen holsters I have (and 2 mag carriers) for different weapons and calibers, I am extremely pleased.
Best,
Originally posted by warmrain
As a point of reference I've been training with and carruing a MItch Rosen SOS for the Kahr 9mm magazine (and SureFire Executive E2) that is so closely boned that no way a round can drop out of the magazine. It's funny that the Rosen offered by Kahr is not. By the look of the photo it is from his "express line" and may even be generic; not boned specifically to the Kahr magazine...
Of the 5 Rosen holster I have (and 2 mag carriers) for different weapons and calibers, I am extremely pleased.
Best,
Yep, the double is definitely from the Express Line, as I bought one from Kahr. It is also one of my mag pouches that causes the issue at question.
Michigun
10-13-2005, 13:50
Originally posted by h2o-5o
Any reason why you didn't comment on the rest of my previous post?
I lack the time & I really don't think it would accomplish much.
Originally posted by Michigun
I lack the time & I really don't think it would accomplish a thing.
I don't know about your time situation, although you do seem to find an awful lot of time to praise and defend Kahr's.
For not accomplishing anything, I agree, it would be hard to effectively argue your position.
FYI, I've got my P-9 on as we speak, with my spare mag in an Alessi slanted carrier, in my rear pocket.;)
Michigun
10-13-2005, 14:00
Originally posted by h2o-5o
I don't know about your time situation, although you do seem to find an awful lot of time to praise and defend Kahr's.
For not accomplishing anything, I agree, it would be hard to effectively argue your position.
Try as you may sir, but you won't suck me in any further... well, any further then you already have that is. ;)
Originally posted by h2o-5o
FYI, I've got my P-9 on as we speak, with my spare mag in an Alessi slanted carrier, in my rear pocket.;)
So what were we arguing again? ^8
plumbum2
10-13-2005, 18:41
does it do this with ALL kahr guns?
what gun did the poster have?
is my incoming p9 going to do this??
warmrain
10-13-2005, 18:59
Originally posted by plumbum2
does it do this with ALL kahr guns?
what gun did the poster have?
is my incoming p9 going to do this??
It's not a gun issue it's a magazine issue. It is a design consideration and a requirement in order to design a pistol this small. It only requires carrying properly in a magazine holder.
Since pocket carrying a magazine loose in a pocket is second only to carrying a loaded pistol loose in a pocket for poor form, it seems like a non-issue.
Originally posted by warmrain
Since pocket carrying a magazine loose in a pocket is second only to carrying a loaded pistol loose in a pocket for poor form, it seems like a non-issue.
Except that it also does it with a mag carrier with a flat bottom, like the overwhelming majority of mag carriers are. The only way I've determined to stop it from happening is to use a mag carrier with the bottom formed at an angle, to match the lips on the magazine itself.
Yes, my gun is a P-9. I don't recall my K-40 mags doing this when I had it.
warmrain
10-13-2005, 19:47
Originally posted by h2o-5o
Except that it also does it with a mag carrier with a flat bottom, like the overwhelming majority of mag carriers are. The only way I've determined to stop it from happening is to use a mag carrier with the bottom formed at an angle, to match the lips on the magazine itself.
Yes, my gun is a P-9. I don't recall my K-40 mags doing this when I had it.
Yes, you are quite right! It has to be a magazine that is boned to the loaded magazine. All my Mitch Rosens are... So is my Milt Sparks off-side pocket magazine "holster".
I don't remember the either about the PM40, though I doubt it would be different; the magazines are so close in dimension as to be almost (in some ways they are) interchangable.
hayseed_40
10-13-2005, 20:57
So is this design essential for functioning??`s `s
Pocket carry of a mag is not necessarily poor form.
It has never done it on any of my 40cal mags (MK40).
Just switch to 40 and this will become a non-issue;a
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