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sourcehill
10-08-2005, 21:44
What's the deal with these things? I heard they would be out soon. Does anyone have an information about them and how much they'll sell for?
I have been wondering the same thing. I signed up on the Crimson Trace site and have recently received a catalog and other stuff but there is still no date. One rumor I've heard is Spring 06 but I haven't been able to confirm that.
gh0st614
10-09-2005, 03:10
been seein ads for awhile, figured they were out by now.
I called to see it I could get one for Christmas. They were saying Spring of 2006 months ago.
Even on the website (http://www.crimsontrace.com/default.asp?id=569) they say "comming soon".
Been 9 months that I have been waiting.;Q
CrimsonTrace threads on GT (http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=433792)
another (http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=394312)
Scorpius
10-11-2005, 04:06
I'll admit I'm curious about those user-installed tracegrips. I like my Lasermax guiderod laser just fine, but after 100 rounds fired, the lens does get a bit sooty, and has to be cleaned off with some water and a Q-tip. I suppose that's the advantage of having the diode emitter on the grip instead under the barrel.
Mike
Scorpius
TrapdoorBilly
10-11-2005, 06:48
Have no idea as to when they will be available, but they will probably cost at least half of what you paid for your Glock.
I just sent a message to a friend who may know, I'll update if I find any more out.
OK the magic 8-ball says- the 619 should be out in the next 30days, the others next year. So those with the compacts may be in luck, one being me with my 19. Only time will tell, but this is the best I could get.
Last I remember seeing something somewhere (I know, provide a link. I'm looking for it) that the full size grips were to come out first, then compact size and then the subcompact size.
It may even have been here on Glock talk because at least one of the people from Crimson Trace is often on the forums.
Stopdropnroll is a moderator on the Armory> Sights, Optics and Lasers forum. You could check with him. He works for Crimson Trace.
Here is a pre-production CT laser we were helping with some R&D. Very nice setup. :cool:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v89/Bobs-Photos/CTC-625.jpg
ctcdesigner
10-12-2005, 10:36
The schedule is still for the LG617 (G17) grip to be introduced first and then the LG619 and LG626 to follow. We have been doing extensive testing on this product, with inhouse people and selected glock users. We have over 15,000 rounds fired in testing so far and things are progressing on schedule.
15,000 rounds! I know,it's a tough job but someone has to do it.:)
Hang in there, the wait will be worth it.
I have 1 question, how well do these work with IWB carry?
IDtheTarget
10-13-2005, 07:13
Originally posted by chakup
I have 1 question, how well do these work with IWB carry?
And I have another: How do you adjust the beam to ensure that it points where the bullets impact? :)
seanmac45
10-13-2005, 07:18
I don't work for Crimson Trace, but I have their newest models on my carry 1911's.
There is no problem with IWB carry, nor any need for holster modifications. From the photos I have seen of the Glock prototypes it looks like the only holster issue might arise if you use one with a retention strap.
There are two very small allen key holes on the housing of the diode that permit windage and elevation adjustments.
KEN THE VIKING
10-13-2005, 08:30
Sweet. I have 2'gen G21 without railing and I really want a laser. Will there only be red lasers or green also ? And what it best/difference ?
Dodgeballz
10-13-2005, 08:45
Originally posted by arguewithmysig
What's the deal with these things? I heard they would be out soon. Does anyone have an information about them and how much they'll sell for?
Check this place out http://www.impactguns.com/store/LG-619.html
I generally have a lack of interest in lasers. Yet, I noticed from all the photos I have seen, it appears that the user installed Glock model may actually improve the grip of the Glock. It provides palm swells and a beaver tail.
TED
Crimson Trace
10-13-2005, 18:51
The Lasergrip LG-617 will be available by Jan 06. The LG-619 and LG-626 will be out pretty shortly after that.
Ted, Yes it does change the grip angle just a bit. I am an avid Glock shooter and I find it very comfortable.
All Crimson Trace Lasergrips are steady/solid on "red" lasers.
Hope this helps.
Joe ;)
Ironbarr
10-13-2005, 20:39
Guess I have to lose my G-19's A-grip, huh?
These look awesome, but, #1 they're not available yet, #2 I'll need two different ones. 1 for my G19, and 1 for my G36. :(
AWDTerror
10-13-2005, 21:42
can't wait:)
wow, it seems like quite a few folks are into lasers. my Cpt. has one on his duty piece and loves it. i would kinda like to have one as a training aid - confirm a hit or miss while (dry) practicing my (sightless) pointing, but would never be comfortable using one in the field simply because the muzzle side signature is (as far as i know) unavoidable.
Crimson Trace
11-10-2005, 17:31
As a question about green lasers was asked, I would like to take a moment to talk about green lasers.
Taking a laser diode and precisely spacing it from a collumating lense is what is typically done to generate a laser beam.
The laser diodes themselves come in various wavelengths, which determines the color of the beam. The color spectrum goes from at one end infrared, above say 800 nm down through visible light, red at 670, orange 635, green approx 550nm. to blue to ultraviolet. Green is the optimum color for visibility to the human eye. Problem is mass storage systems such as CD's are driving the industry to skip green and go straight to blue. When this technology is available look for a major increase in CD storage capability. The green lasers, you are hearing about, utilize something called a DOUBLER CHIP mounted in front of an infrared laser diode which cuts the wavelength in half in order to reach the green spectrum.
The problem with these devices is that the doubler chip operates at around 10% efficiency meaning that 10 times as much power is required in order to get an equal output beam. High power input means high heat, which is the major enemy of diodes.
In a nut shell I have not seen a system which could hold up in a real life application.....high cost/low reliability.
Look for the next real move in lasersights to be the blue laser in about 2 years. The blue laser will have about the same perceived brightness as current 635 nm orange lasers only they will be blue.
Crimson Trace will be there when the technology is ready.
Joe
CincinnastyKid
11-10-2005, 17:47
Crimson Trace,
You know, I have one simple request. And that is to have sharks with freakin laser beams attached to their heads!
With all your knowledge in "lasers" you think you could make that happen?
-Kid
Crimson Trace
11-10-2005, 18:14
http://www.pjbstudios.com/temp/dr.evil.laser.jpg
"Laser-beam" Got it. ;)
Ironbarr
11-10-2005, 18:16
?
Crimson Trace
11-10-2005, 18:17
Austin Powers reference. Joe
I don't know what's funnier the reference or the fact someone doesn't get it!!!
Ironbarr
11-10-2005, 18:37
Not an Austin fan - however, I missed the clock. My ? was for the previous post - sharks and lasers.
Must be that I don't get around much (anymore), huh?.
:)
-Andy
El Duderino
11-10-2005, 18:56
Not once but twice ya missed it.
I wasn't interested in the lasergrips until the Dr.Evil picture. Now I gotta have some.
boilergonzo
11-10-2005, 19:30
Don't know how, but saw what was claimed to be a prototype Glock CTC laser at the Indy1500. Don't know if the guy was directly connected to CTC or just an authorized distributor. The Sig226 CTC was perfect and felt great, the Glock was a little rougher as it is supposedly still being worked out, but it felt fine even as a test type. I think CTC had their work cut out for them to mate shapes and materials with a chunk of plastic like the Glock. I don't need one for my G17, but do want one for a 340PD or Sig226. As the previous picture showed, it doesn't look as integrated as a J-frame CTC laser, but they were very creative in figuring out a way to attach one to a difficult gun for that sort of thing. Felt fine. I was impressed. I just don't know how close to production the thing I held was!
kswiss2783
11-10-2005, 20:06
I'm interested in these, but will I have to remove my hogue grips?
CincinnastyKid
11-10-2005, 21:40
Haha, nice pic Crimson Trace!
-Kid
Originally posted by IDtheTarget
And I have another: How do you adjust the beam to ensure that it points where the bullets impact? :) A quick check of their web site and forum will give you the answer to this and all other questions posed in this thread.
Love those grips! :)
http://www.imaginekitty.com/external/pictures/Gun/P229/indexfiles/1.jpg
buddyRoland
11-10-2005, 22:14
Guess it'll be nice if it ever gets going. I don't need them myself.
T. Harless
11-11-2005, 00:10
I shot a S&W 1911 yesterday with the Crimson Trace. It was super cool. I shoot a LaserMax installed 23 a bunch, not mine, and that CT kicks it's butt. I'll buy the Glock model on day one.
Originally posted by Ironbarr
Guess I have to lose my G-19's A-grip, huh?
+1 to this, looks like when I get them I'll have to boot my Houge Hand-All off my G23.
Crimson Trace
12-05-2005, 11:51
We are starting shipping to distributors today. (ahead of schedule!) This should mean that they are in dealers hands sometime the week of Dec 12th.
Hope this helps. Joe
Ironbarr
12-05-2005, 12:21
Originally posted by El Duderino
Not once but twice ya missed it.
I wasn't interested in the lasergrips until the Dr.Evil picture. Now I gotta have some. Crazy what a little picture (worth 10,000 words) will do, huh?
Best be careful though - those videos on the CT (http://crimsontrace.com) web site will really crank up your desire.
-AndyB
dec 12th...I will be the first one at my local gun store...maybe i should just call them and see if they will get them on time :P
Originally posted by Crimson Trace
We are starting shipping to distributors today. (ahead of schedule!) This should mean that they are in dealers hands sometime the week of Dec 12th.
Hope this helps. Joe
Any word/delivery dates on the LG-619 Joe??
Thanks for your time
supernova333
12-08-2005, 08:03
http://www.defensereview.com/article815.html
BrokenArrow
12-09-2005, 12:57
I bought a new Glock 17 (HRFXXX) that came w the CT Lasergrip installed and zeroed at 15m/50ft.
Works great, as usual (I have tried them before on SIGs and 1911s).
Makes it a little harder to overhand rack the slide, and there is no on/off feature (it's always on once your hand grips the gun tight enough), but that's no problem.
Also says not to use cleaners w VOC (Volatile Organic Compounds) or TCE (trichloroethylene) in it. That's strange cuzz that is just about everything. VOCs are things like gasoline, kerosene, and petroleum distillates, which are found in almost every popular cleaning product I can think of (Break Free, Eezox, etc). ;b
Crimson Trace
12-09-2005, 14:30
Regarding the LG-619, the most up to date info I have is that Crimson Trace will be releasing LG-619 to distrubutors the week of Dec. 19th.
Joe ;)
BrokenArrow
12-10-2005, 07:47
If close enough is good enough for you, you don't have to use the grip pin to secure them to the gun; they snap on/off and pretty much stay where they are. Wiggle a bit, but not enough to cause a big miss if aiming COM. Makes it easier to remove them for cleaning to avoid getting VOC/TCE on them as CTC said to do when I called and asked about that. Some tape and/or a rubber band stopps the little wiggling they did w/o the pin, would be easier to deal w than popping the pin in/out for every cleaning.
Or you could ignore that caution, kinda like the cautions in the Glock manual not to use reloaded ammo and not to carry a round in the chamber...
;m DO NOT ;m shine the laser in eyes!!! Some idiots have already blinded pets doing that... :soap:
Ironbarr
12-10-2005, 08:35
Originally posted by BrokenArrow
;m DO NOT ;m shine the laser in eyes!!! Some idiots have already blinded pets doing that... :soap: +P+ on THAT, for sure. Lasers, contrary to some "popular" opinion, are not toys. Flashing anyone's eyes - including perps - could have you in the court room just as if you fired.
You might also consider mirrors (or any reflectors) while you're at it.
-AndyB
c4igrant
12-14-2005, 08:10
Originally posted by Crimson Trace
Regarding the LG-619, the most up to date info I have is that Crimson Trace will be releasing LG-619 to distrubutors the week of Dec. 19th.
Joe ;)
I have the CT Laser Grips for the 17, 17L, 22, 24, 31, 34, 35 in stock! http://www.grtactical.com/crimsontrace.htm
C4
what is warranty period on CT products?
Crimson Trace
12-14-2005, 10:52
3 year warranty. Joe
not bad... my biggest worry with a first year new products is getting the bugs/problems worked out... i'm sure that CT has done extensive testing
c4igrant
12-14-2005, 12:45
Originally posted by kwando
not bad... my biggest worry with a first year new products is getting the bugs/problems worked out... i'm sure that CT has done extensive testing
Not only that, but CT stands behind their product and will not leave you hanging.
C4
KEN THE VIKING
12-19-2005, 17:22
Here's one on Ebay:
Crimson Trace (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7205305227)
Ironbarr
12-19-2005, 17:26
Bad link
Stopdropnroll
12-19-2005, 18:07
Lone Wolf Distributors has them in stock at $249.00
Lowest I have seen so far.
SDnR ;)
UPS brought in the CT laser today, thought I would share a photo them installed.
KEN THE VIKING
12-20-2005, 00:00
URL works now
Crimson Trace (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7205305227)
205USD, 10 hours left
opelwasp
12-20-2005, 00:33
the only problem I see is it will not fit my duty holster. i have a G22 in a bianchi accumold and that "frickn' laser beam" gets in the way of the thumb strap. is this correct? i like the larger tang it creates so it does seem like a good addition.
Will these CT laser grips fit the G21 .45 ACP? I just sold my G22 and got the G21. I hope they do. I'd like to trade in my M6 for the CT grip and M3 or X200A.
--BLS439
Tc300mag1
12-20-2005, 21:04
My only worry would be how it would fit for a lefty in a Iwb ..
Stopdropnroll
12-21-2005, 12:05
The LG-617 does nto fit the G-21.
There is not a Crimson Trace Lasergrip for the G-20/21 available in this years release of the G-series of Lasergrips.
SDnR ;)
G23lover
12-22-2005, 01:59
I'm not harping on the CT product but I have seen two beta versions with the rubber cracked next to the diod, was that problem ever corrected?
And is there anything in the works with any holster companies to make it holster friendly because this essentially ellminates the use of all holsters with thumb snaps? How about duty holsters?
Thanks for the data in advance
Stopdropnroll
12-26-2005, 19:09
The crack you are likely seeing is where the back cover fits on the back of the diode... This is not a crack, but instead it is the portal hole to put the laser into the wraparound glock. (I realize that this is different than the other Crimson Trace diode housings, but it is not a flaw)
Crimson Trace has been talking with all the major makers of duty holsters and has kept them up to date and sent out product samples. They were provided the information such that they could make holster that accomidated it.
Supply will follow demand. Call up the holster maker and ask them if they make a holster for this yet. After enough calls, they likely will.
SDnR ;)
c4igrant
12-29-2005, 16:48
Got mine and love them! :)
C4
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/Grant's%20weapons/G19%20X200B%20CT.JPG
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/Grant's%20weapons/G19%20X200B%20CT1.JPG
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/Grant's%20weapons/G19%20X200B%20CT2.JPG
Ironbarr
12-29-2005, 16:59
These are just hitting the end user. I hope many will jump in here with their experiences.
c4igrant, when you wring it out, please post your druthers. What/how does this fit with your holsters? Any change in your grip feel? Anything else?
Thanks.
-AndyB
c4igrant
12-29-2005, 17:04
Originally posted by Ironbarr
These are just hitting the end user. I hope many will jump in here with their experiences.
c4igrant, when you wring it out, please post your druthers. What/how does this fit with your holsters? Any change in your grip feel? Anything else?
Thanks.
-AndyB
If you have a 1911 then you know how they have the beaver tail. I like that a lot and these grips from CT give you the same feeling. The battery compartment fills up the concave spot in the palm of your hand (feels good as well). Activation is simple and easy IMHO.
I have liked these since I first tested them out at the 2005 Shot Show so I already knew I liked them! :)
C4
Ironbarr
12-29-2005, 17:08
Roger that, and thanks for the fast reply.
-AndyB
Originally posted by c4igrant
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/Grant's%20weapons/G19%20X200B%20CT2.JPG
wow that increases the grip by a good amount.
My first post on this forum. . .
I've been watching this thread to help me decide between the CT grips and the Lasermax for my G23. I finally decided to go with the CT.
My local gun shop said they couldn't get the CT for a while yet, so I looked on-line and found a website (nightvisionsales.com) that listed the LG-619 for the G23, as being "in stock." I called them on the phone, they said they have them, have delivered some, and are now selling their second shipment.
I don't know that company, but I decided to give them a try.
Anyone else seen the CT for the G23 actually in a store, or "in stock," on-line? (Hope I didn't just fall for a line. . . )
madness
Leave it to me to make my fist post on this Forum in a "dying" thread! :)
If anyone is interested, I got to emails today. The first was a confirmation of shipping notice for the CT laser. The second was a response from Blackhawk telling me that the CT will not be a "fit" problem for my G23 in their carbon fiber holster.
I was afraid I might have to do a little "customizing" on that one. I really like the SERPA retention system. Now, I'll still be able to use my favorite holster AND the CT sight! :cool:
madness
Ironbarr
01-05-2006, 13:28
http://crimsontrace.com/default.asp?id=727 shows the LG-619 for the G23. Good that you got a notice re shipping... did you get a tracking #?
I'm looking for a LG-619 for my G19. I have the A-grip installed so I'll have to work that in somehow. Probably wind up trimming off the 619 area for best fit.
Thanks for verifying the SERPA - I was told it's ok but didn't get it confirmed with BlackHawk.
Check http://www.lonewolfdist.com/products.asp?prod=49 for dealer. Most have been recently getting their deliveries; by now there are others ready to sell/deliver.
Take care.
-AndyB
Andy,
I checked out the links you posted, looks good to me. Yours was $10 less than Nightvisionsales.com, but if yours adds in a shipping fee, they'd work out about the same.
Yes, I did get a shipping #, but their "free shippping" is via Priority Mail (I think.) Past experience with USPS is that by the time they update their tracking systme, I've usually had the item in-hand for 24 hours.
mm (Mike, madmike, madness, whoever.)
Ironbarr
01-05-2006, 14:25
Mike,
Let us keep track of things for a while... see how we do with our new super duper sighting system. Just remember - lasers do harm - eyes and other things (like mirrors). We don't need law suits, right?
Later.
-AndyB
No SIR, don't need a lawsuit. Heck, I've not much use for regular suits, either. (But I know what you mean. . . )
I also understand the caution about laser damage, but consider that to be almost a "non-starter." In the unlikely event I do "lase" someone's eye, the damage that does pales in comparison to what will follow.
Mike
Ironbarr
01-05-2006, 16:57
Roger that... let me know how the LG619 works for you.
Be careful out there... many a weird folk afoot.
-AndyB
Crimson Trace
01-05-2006, 17:54
The LG-619 was released and shipped out on Dec. 19th, It should be on stocking dealers shelves.
Joe
Thanks, Joe!
I was just a little suspicious when all the post I read kept repeating the "soon" reply. I'd not done business with Nightvisionsales.com before, so I wasn't sure.
But after talking to them, I placed my order and I've been told, "Its on the way!"
When it gets here, I'll post my take on it, for whatever that's worth.
I'm really looking forward to trying it out! :)
Mike
Walter45Auto
01-07-2006, 12:38
I never paid attention to the price on the one my local CT dealer had. Because I picked up his display setup, and I HATE WHAT THE CT UNIT DOES TO THE GRIP OF THE GLOCK! I don't like the way it changes the grip shape and feel.
;g
;8 ;I
i handled one today at the gun show and when i have my finger off the trigger i find that it gets in the way of the laser at times...
i also dont like how far the laser portion comes out.
the grip is not as bad as it looks
johnstrr
01-17-2006, 23:10
Here's what my joint looks like after 500 or so rounds with the CTLGs on G17... looks like I'll be wearing my gloves during range time...http://tinypic.com/kexgmb.jpg
Ironbarr
01-17-2006, 23:17
Did you post that on the CrimsonTrace forum?
I ran 80+ rounds today with no body damage. To what do you attribute the tear?
johnstrr
01-17-2006, 23:26
No, just posted it here...
I would attribute it to a combination of my personal hand structure, grip geometry, and repetitive abrasive movement caused by those two. I didn't even notice until I washed the powder residue from my hands and it stung. Not a big deal for the lasers intended purpose of quick target aquisition in low-light or akward positioned life or death situation, but thought I'd share it anyways.
Ironbarr
01-17-2006, 23:41
Thought maybe Joe (CTC) would have a thought on that. Is there any kind of a burr or rough spot on the Lasergrip that might be rubbing that spot during your grip? Today was my first range time with my G19 and I was trying to grip a bit low as to not engage the laser then slip up to the top to use the laser. I didn't hurt anything, but there was a different "feel" (of course) --- but then, I didn't go through 500 rounds which might have been the culprit. Too bad you can't tell at what point you started the "wear and tear".
Sorry for the event.
I said I'd post when the CT laser for my G23 got in. I did, but in another thread.
I did not wear any holes in my skin, but I generally shoot only 200 rounds or less, per range visit. (That may increase, soon!)
I posted my "report," HERE. (http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=484775)
For those who don't like the change in the grip, you can always try the LaserMax. I did notice my finger getting in the way of the laser a few times at first, but that is something that only takes a few minutes working on, to re-train that finger.
I was a litle concerned about the change in the grip feel, but now it feels "right" with the CT grips in place. It's easy to get used to.
Mike
Nafterclifen
01-22-2006, 10:41
I'm excited and waiting for the LG-626 model for my Glock 27. Tom from Lasersights.com (http://www.lasersights.com/html/glock_lasergrip.html) had 4 in stock. He's taken my order and I'm waiting to receive mine sometime this coming week. The price was $247 and Crimson Trace is also offering free batteries for life, up to 2 sets per year.
edpmedic
01-22-2006, 20:24
I have been waiting to see what happens. My problem with the regular G-19 I get that rubbing on my knuckle like (johnsttr). I Have a feeling increasing the Beavertail area will make it worse.
I need to find someone out here who has it on their G19 and see how it feels. Or it is a LaserMax for me. I guess the CT sould have no problem in a Fobus Paddle Holster.
edpmedic,
Although I put mine aside in favor of a Blackhawk concealment holster, I can confirm that the Fobus paddle holster does fit my G23 with the Crimson Trace laser grips, with NO problem, at all.
Mike
Ironbarr
01-23-2006, 18:03
Are you using the paddle or the belt fitting???
Ironbarr,
Not sure I quite get the question. . .
The Fobus that I'm not currently using is the paddle version, OWB.
The Blackhawk concealment is the carbon fiber with their SERPA retention system, OWB. This is my current holster and I have used it both with the paddle attachment and the belt attachment. I like the ease of taking the holster on and off with the paddle, but the belt does seem to hold it tigher.
Both holsters are "good" as far as using the CT grips on my G23.
I'm currently on the "list" to get a leather Laredo Defender holster and gun belt from K&D Holsters. Checked with Kevin at K&D, the CT will be fine with that holster, as well.
madness
Ironbarr
01-23-2006, 20:12
The Blackhawk concealment is the carbon fiber with their SERPA retention system, OWB. This is my current holster and I have used it both with the paddle attachment and the belt attachment. I like the ease of taking the holster on and off with the paddle, but the belt does seem to hold it tigher.That's what I was asking about - I hadn't yet used the belt attachment.
Thanks for the quick response.
-AndyB
I just ordered the new CT subcompact laser grips for $229+8 ship for total of $237.
The guy I ordered from is just getting his website up but he has a 100% positive rating on eBay and I talked to him on the phone and seems like a nice guy.
He also has the other new Glock CT laser grips for the same price. $237 delivered.
That's the best price I've seen.
<a href="http://www.gunspecialties.com/">http://www.gunspecialties.com/</a>
Since he's still putting up his site many of his links don't work yet but you can order the laser grips online or call him at the number on the site.
I ordered my lasergrips for my 19 from Impact Guns (http://www.impactguns.com/store/610242006199.html) in Ogden, UT. Got them in three days - $230.16 total cost.
Put 'em on last night and just got finished sighting in at 50'. They were close from the factory, but not right on. They don't bother my grip at all, and I have no problem with there not being an on/off master switch.
I've never used laser sights before. Big difference for me.
--Bill
Team CTC-Joe
04-04-2006, 17:35
Ironbarr, I would say that the Johnstrr really nailed what I thought when I saw his picture....
I would be looking to adjust my grip a bit.
Joe
formerly posting as "Crimson Trace"
Ironbarr
04-04-2006, 19:01
seems I'm a bit negligent - haven't been back to this thread in a while.
I wonder if that could have been the trigger group pin - nah, probably not.
Yep - grip. Might be the combination of grip and five hundred rounds - hard clench. As mentioned on the CT board I've been working a "flex" grip technique - firm yet not set in concrete with a bit of squeeze/relax/squeeze to get on/off/on. My words, for sure :)))
AndyB
Ironbarr
I shot 200 rounds in less than an hour through my G22 last night with the CT grip and have absolutely zero complaints ... in the past week I would say I have shot 450 rounds total using the grip on my G22.
To me it is really easy to pop out the pin and pull the grip off too for when I want to just plink without it.
I am really satisfied with this product thus far. I haven't, however, shot outside with it yet which I will do at the end of the month.
I have to share my experiance with Crimson Trace. This could be a reason why CT looks to be prefered over LM.
Last summer I bought my first Glock, a 26. I was a revolver guy prior.
When I went to the range the G26 was shooting about 3 inches towards the 9 o'clock position at 21 feet. After a number of adjustments of the sights and MANY people telling be that it was my finger placement on the trigger...I became frustrated. Others, includeing members of this site said "if you want a target gun, get target gun". Many folks said, 3" off with a subcompact is great.
I was at the point of selling the Glock and replacing it with a Karh or XD because I could hit the bull with them.
A fella on my fishing website, Ted Peck posted a report about Crimson Trace laers. I talked with him and he felt that it should correct my problem as the Laser Grips are adjustable, but gave me a fella's name at CT. I contacted Travis...his response to my accuracy question set me back in my computer chair...
"...they are adjustable and should straighten out your left shooting Glock. Once you have them installed, and if the Laser Grips don't work out, let's meet at the range when I'm in your area and see what the problem is."
:shocked: I couldn't believe it. Here's a fella that would personally help me! I don't know if this is something they normally do or if he was just in a good mood that day...what ever the reason was...Crimson Trace and specificly Travis, impressed me.
I installed the grips in less than five minutes...this includes reading the directions and standard warnings that came with the grips.
Went to the range armed with the supplied allen wrench and it 20 minutes I was a happy man! (note: It would have been less than 20 minutes, but I kept turning the adjustments the wrong way) I'm not sure if all CT grips are sighted in at the factory for 50 feet...but that was too far for me on my G-26.
I'm not in law enforcement, don't have to clear houses...just the average 49 year old married schmuck that likes to shoot at the range a couple...4 times a month.
One other note, on laser sights and their ability to show a persons shakiness. The Laser Grips helped me determine what my 25 year old daughter was doing wrong in an instant. Right at the time she would pull the trigger, the red dot jumped down about a foot...she had a bad flintch. Sure there are other ways to determine this...but it's really evident with one shot.
The bottom line is that I'm keeping my G26 and with the Laser Grips, I'm pleased as punch with the gun, the grips and the Crimson Trace Company.
In case you are wondering...Nope, not an employee of Crimson Trace!:)
Almost forgot!
One of the great features of a laser in low light conditions is that a shooter doesn't have to have his (or her) head or body right behind the gun as it's being shot.
In any position as long as that red dot is on the target...you know what your going to hit.
Hopefully, you'll never have to experiance this.
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