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mont86
10-14-2005, 21:39
What are your thoughts about Wranglers probably Mid 90's

I would have to get a trailer to haul anything much larger then

a case of beer. They seem to be a tough vehicle?

OUSooner
10-15-2005, 06:27
I had a '94 model and drove it to 130,000 before I sold it. Only problems were a/c would not blow very cold(it's a jeep though right?)and I had a radiator and cat. converter go out. Not bad considering the milage. I would for sure get the 4.0 I-6 in favor of the four banger.

magsnubby
10-15-2005, 17:39
Definitely go '91 and up. 1991 was the first year for the 4.0 H.O. engine and fuel injection. The older ones had crummy trannys and even worse carbs.

Definitely go with the 6 cylinder.I never realized just how underpowered the 4 banger was until i drove my friend's 2004 TJ. And he still dosen't get any better gas milage than my '91 6 cylinder YJ does.

Mine has 157,000 miles on it and it's still going strong.

mont86
10-15-2005, 19:43
What is the difference between the Rubicon, Sport, X, SE, Unlimited?
Do they date back to the Mid 90's or are they the new packages?
Those are the ones on the Jeep site..

jlw_84
10-15-2005, 19:54
Google is your friend.

I had a 97 Wrangler SE from 2000 to early 2005. Put 140k on it. Only problems I had were "owner induced" ;)

Bumpy ride, but what do you expect, its a Jeep not a cadillac, definately go for the inline 6. My 2.5 4cyl had a lot of torque despite its small size, but it couldn't get out of its own way on the highway.

Maxthemutt
10-16-2005, 22:00
Originally posted by mont86
What is the difference between the Rubicon, Sport, X, SE, Unlimited?
Do they date back to the Mid 90's or are they the new packages?
Those are the ones on the Jeep site..

I was thinking hard about buying a Jeep a while ago. www.jeepforums.com was the best resource I found.

mont86
10-18-2005, 07:48
Originally posted by Maxthemutt
I was thinking hard about buying a Jeep a while ago. www.jeepforums.com was the best resource I found.

Maxx did you ever buy a Jeep?

clever_21
10-18-2005, 08:19
Just got rid of my '94 Wrangler SE. Had the 4 cyl. I will never buy a Jeep 4 cyl again, very underpowered. And 6 cyl isnt that much more $ or hard to find. I had to put a new tranny in mine at 125,000 miles, but I think it was lack of service and off roading (it did UNBELIEVEABLE things). It had 148,000 when I got rid of it. I also did a little body work and paint. Dont get big huge off roading tires if its going to be a daily driver. Not worth it. Get some good all terrain tires. Also put new clutch and master cylinder in her but that could happen to any manuel. I loved my jeep and will buy another. welcome to the world of Jeeps!


p.s. When I say it did unbelievable things, here's an example. Went off roading with a buddy in some pretty rough and tough trails and was amazed what my jeep could do. After we got done I realized my little vacume switch for 4x4 had been broken(quick fix) though the whole event. I did it all in 2 wheel drive and didnt even know it ;P ;P ;P

Maxthemutt
10-18-2005, 12:05
I did not. Around my area the YJ's are usually pretty rusty by now and I like the TJ body style the best. I'd really like a Rubicon.

Good luck with your search, Max

DSMonsta
10-18-2005, 23:21
Mid 90s Jeeps are great things. The 4.0 L I6 is one of the most reliable and long lasting engines ever built. Considering the low weight and agressive gearing they actually are pretty quick. The 4wd system is reliable. Go with a manual tranny if possible. They're quite a bit more durable than the autos.

However, keep in mind the following:

-It's a Jeep. Ride quality and comfort are not going to be present in your life while you're driving one.

-Aside from the drivetrain it's unreliable. Interior parts break and don't count on having routinely functional air conditioning.

That being said my 91 Cherokee has 204k miles on it and hasn't left me stranded yet. It fits into the catagory of vehicles that are fun to drive for no real discernable reason.

Glock-Man-Man
10-19-2005, 17:32
For a Wrangler, I wouldn't go any older than 97...You'll be much happier in the end...

mont86
10-19-2005, 20:46
Currently my vehichle is a 87 mazda.. This is step up.
I really appreciate your input.

A_Swede_17_1911
10-23-2005, 15:48
The Older Wranglers known as the YJ's, get one with the Inline 6, and get the manual. Especially if you want to run larger tires on it some day. The YJ is a great platform for a wheeling rig, especially if you plan on modifying it at all. You can could usally get them for a good price, even though I havent seen many for sale.

There are tons of aftermarket parts out for em, from lift kits, to shocks, and suspension, to tops and doors, and things for the interior. Even fiberglass body parts, they probably make what ever you would need for that Jeep, even better axle componets as well.

Im looking at getting my first new vehical, looking at one of the new Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon. I used to wheel a lifed and locked Suzuki Samurai, and the Rubicon has everything I want to do to it, already done from the factory, all under warrenty, and with out finding some were to work on it at, cause I know longer have a garage or shop to work at now. When you look at it on paper, with the cost of buying gears, getting a custom dana 44 rehashed for the front end. Then start to add the lockers, the transfer case, with the 4:1 ratio, with the new 6 speed manual, and heavier duty drive lines, and revalved shocks and tuned springs, the Rubicon Wrangler or Wrangler Unlimted starts to look really good, especially with out doing all that work, and installation, and it works from the factory. I think its one of the neatest things ive seen offered by a car manufactuer.

Even though I still want to build a CJ-5 some day, with an AMC V8 and all JEEP/AMC running gear, this Unlimted Rubicon will definatly be what I want, and much more.



So shop your butt off and find the YJ, that works the best for you, check out some stuff at summitoffroad.com they have some cool stuff for the YJ's that really simple and works. They don't have tons of stuff but they have some neat stuff that might work out great for you if you want to modify it. Plus they will give you some insights on how to do things the right way and to get the best peformance from your mods.

RocTR
10-26-2005, 13:55
Hi guys, new guy here, long time Jeeper though. I traded in my 00 TJ Sport for a fully loaded Rubicon and love it. To answer the differences between them; the Sport is a mid range model, the X is a stripped down bare bones, and the Rubicon is the highest level model. It eliminates some features like ABS which greatly increases safety off road and adds electronic locking front and rear axles and a low range gear reduction 4:1 transfer case. Unlike positraction or AWD, or on demand once the switch is on the wheels are physically locked together and even when off the ground they are still locked. It's real-true 4wd but you can't run it on pavement locked and they turn off in 4wd high. In 4lo the Rubicon is amazing at Moab this past spring we climbed and more importantly went down some rock faces that were so steep you could not have walked them.

I get a lot of parts from http://www.quadratec.com and http://www.rubiconexpress.com and I have the long arm suspension on my Rubicon which is amazing. http://rockcrawler.com/ has some great tech articles as well.

A_Swede_17_1911
10-26-2005, 16:10
I just picked up my new Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon, this week Monday, I love it, finally glad I gave in and bought what I wanted. I dont plan on doing anything crazy in it till I get it paid off, but definatly taking it to the beach to drive around when I get the chance.

mont86
10-27-2005, 04:57
Good post Roc that is what I was looking for. Congrads swede on your new purchase. I have been doing my research on the subject.

Str8shootr
11-02-2005, 14:16
I bought a new Jeep Unlimited this summer.......my other car is a C5 Corvette, so I needed something a little more utility for the Indiana winters.

Only complaints: Gas mileage sucks, would like electric locks on the key fob. Standard gas cap needed to be replaced with a locking gas cap, that cost $50 at the dealer (none of the auto supply stores here could find a locking gas cap for this model) the dealer charged me another $50 to key the gas cap to my ignition key......puleeeeeeeeeeze. I think Jeep should "throw these in" on their new cars, especially with the current gas situation.

All that aside, I like the ride...I haven't customized anything yet, but plan on adding a little bling..and for once I am not fearing winter.

Rob1035
11-02-2005, 14:46
as a general rule, I dislike all jeeps. However, I will readily admit there is nothing really on the market that can compete with the wrangler, and there hasnt been since bronco's and land cruisers got huge. Maybe the new land cruiser concept will make it to production.

magsnubby
11-05-2005, 14:03
Originally posted by Str8shootr
I bought a new Jeep Unlimited this summer.......my other car is a C5 Corvette, so I needed something a little more utility for the Indiana winters.

Only complaints: Gas mileage sucks,...

That always cracks me up. People buy a brick on wheels and complain about gas milage.

There's lots of info on these sites:

www.4x4wire.com

www.pirate4x4.com

www.JeepForum.com

www.jeepsunlimited.com/forums/

b8tr
11-05-2005, 14:26
I had a 1997 soft top four banger 4x4 Wrangler. It was a fun car. If I was to do it again I would definately get a six instead of the four. It seemed the 4x4 drivetrain was too heavy for the tiny engine. Even though it was a four banger yes the mileage still sucked (box on wheels), but nothing looks like a Wrangler.

RocTR
11-07-2005, 19:32
b8tr- had the chance to see one of these out wheeling last weekend:
http://www.aev-conversions.com/Vehicle_Hemi.html

that should help with power. :)

method
11-07-2005, 21:03
Originally posted by Rob1035
as a general rule, I dislike all jeeps. However, I will readily admit there is nothing really on the market that can compete with the wrangler, and there hasnt been since bronco's and land cruisers got huge. Maybe the new land cruiser concept will make it to production.

For about twice the money, there was the Land Rover Defender 90 when it was imported back in the mid nineties.

Rob1035
11-07-2005, 21:11
yup, the D90 was a beast off road and a burden on, but only temporarily (at least the ones I had experience with)

b8tr
11-07-2005, 21:46
RocTR...
Holy crap;P

TLHelmer
11-13-2005, 05:58
I love my 05' Rubicon.

jamskatelake
11-14-2005, 23:47
bought a Rubicon, won't take it off-road, then complains about the gas mileage ;Q

A_Swede_17_1911
11-29-2005, 14:12
My milage in my Unlimited Rubicon, isn't bad but before that I drove a 1996 Ford Bronco with the 5.8L and an auto, so talk about poor fuel milage.

Love taking the Jeep over a couple small dunes to hit the beach to do some fishing. Nothing to crazy, want to wait till its paid off.

I think the Wranglers are some of the most capable 4x4's from any offerings from the manufactures. Especially the Rubicon Editions, with lockers and lower gears, heavier axles, and drivetrain, and with the I-6, it has plenty of oommppf.

Face it they don't really make 4x4's like they used to even look at Jeep's other offerings.

If I were to buy a used Wrangler, I would either by a late model YJ (Square Head Lights) or a used TJ. All with the a manual and I-6. Unless you really like gutless four poppers or are just into that things.

Rob1035
11-29-2005, 16:16
TRAIL RATED!!!!!


;z

dissthis
11-29-2005, 16:30
My 1st Jeep was a CJ-5 1973. That was a REAL Jeep. 3spd, 304 on 33" tires!!

I recently had a 94 in-line 6. Hard top, soft top, bikini, hard doors with roll up windows (thats what you want) soft doors

I was a dumb ***** and sold it;Q

I would not own a Wrangler as my ONLY transportation but only as a second.

Good luck!

LAWDOGKMS
11-29-2005, 17:09
I'm partial to the CJ's, but the YJ's are good too..

You would not believe where these things can go offroad!!

With 8-ply tires, we drive over or through just about anything we want in the desert with no problems..

This weekend, on a hunting trip, we had some "evening" fun with the CJ's deep in the Kermit Sandhills.

With aired down tires, these Jeeps will go anywhere a 4-wheeler will go..

We had to give our spare away to one of our friends in another jeep, when he lost the tire off the rim.

Then on the way out, (still very deep in the dunes), we lost our bead as well on the front right..

With no spare, we kept driving up and down the dunes to get out, with the tire flopping loudly on the rim, until it came off completely..

Then we drove another half mile without a tire at all, on the rim only in the sand..

We finally got stuck in a "bowl" we couldn't climb out with only 3 tires..

We waited 3 hours for our compadres to locate us, using a cell phone and a flashlight as a signal device for them to finally find us (we were very far back in the dunes!!)

We ended up leaving the Jeep, marking the spot with the GPS, and returning the following day with a tire to get it out..

Jeeps Rock!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/lawdog1971/Jeep1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/lawdog1971/Jeep2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/lawdog1971/Jeep3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v386/lawdog1971/Jeep4.jpg

Rob1035
11-29-2005, 17:16
I used to off road a bunch, and for part/mod available and knowledge base, jeeps are hard to beat.

I was pretty partial to my 72 Bronco with a 302, 33"s, no top or doors though:cool:

Like I said though, Nowadays, Wranglers are pretty much their own class.

TLHelmer
11-29-2005, 17:30
Did I mention I love my Rubicon?

magsnubby
11-29-2005, 17:41
Originally posted by Rob1035
TRAIL RATED!!!!!


;z

Yes they are. Chrysler tests their factory stock vehicles on the Rubicon. And finished. With factory stock vehicles.

Autom8r
12-01-2005, 00:07
I bought a '97 Jeep Wrangler TJ Sahara softop new in '97 and to me, it is perfect for buzzing around town and offroading. It will go anywhere I dare to try and likely a few places even I don't dare attempt.

Biggest downside is that the wind noise is DEAFINING at much over 50 MPH, definitely not an Interstate traveler. If I had it to do over again I would get the factory hard top with roll up window doors, the zipper soft windows are a definite pain. After the new wears off in a few years it becomes a pain-in-the-butt to convert it to a convertible then recover it for Tennessee's frequently inclement WX.

I bought a bargain second hand "Pavement Ends" hardtop with the side slide windows a couple of years ago. It toned down the wind noise to a barely tolerable level. The "Pavement Ends" top leaks like a seive around the rear window and I mean literally gallons in a big rain despite every means I could figure out to seal it. I ended up building an elaborate leak containment system channeling the leaks into a couple of gallon antifreeze jugs which I dump after a big rain. Now I know why the guy sold it so cheap!! Still haven't reinstalled the factory softop tho'.

Gas mileage on the six-banger is consistantly 15 - 16 MPG city or hwy. It has the aerodynamics of a shoebox. Power and acceleration is adequate up to around 50 MPH when the shoebox effect comes into play. The ride is Jeep-rough, but head and shoulders above the older models.

Bottom line... I LOVE the damn thing and will probably die with it. If you travel at all and are not a neanderthal (sp?), don't make it your only car. My wife and I are certified car-nuts, hotrodders and drag racers, have 8 cars, 2 under 20 years old (the other late model is a '98 Mark VIII), my 9 year old Jeep has under 40,000 miles on it.

Getcha one, 97 and up, or older if you are a neanderthal!!!!

Dave

kawalerzysta
12-01-2005, 20:19
Question to Wrangler owners. Are they at least semi-comfortable? Our security department is replacing i Chevy S-10 and 2 Grand Vitaras with Jeep Wranglers V-6 hardtops and manual transmisions;P I guess we will be able to get red and blue light bar for roof, I don't think we are going to ahve enough space for radios, light/siren switches and others. Are there any arguments that we could use to convince our BOD to scrap Wranglers for Libertys or something similar. Basically whole department is pissed off about those Wranglers. We will have to spend 8 hours in them everyday, and from what I heard they are not too comfortable. I like Wranglers, but I don't think that they are good for patrol duty.

Autom8r
12-01-2005, 21:16
Wranglers are more comfortable than the S-10, never been in a Grand Viagra, so no opinion. Fun to drive and handle like a dream. Ride's not horrible but firm. They manuever like a go-cart with reverse and you can chase the bad guys thru the woods without having to leave the car. Remove the useless back seat and you have plenty or room. At least you got the INLINE (not V) 6. I think you will be pleasantly surprised..................

kawalerzysta
12-01-2005, 21:51
Originally posted by Autom8r
Wranglers are more comfortable than the S-10, never been in a Grand Viagra, so no opinion. Fun to drive and handle like a dream. Ride's not horrible but firm. They manuever like a go-cart with reverse and you can chase the bad guys thru the woods without having to leave the car. Remove the useless back seat and you have plenty or room. At least you got the INLINE (not V) 6. I think you will be pleasantly surprised..................
We are going to get in few weeks, so hopefully what you are saying is true. I'm not a cop, so I don't have to worry about chasing bad guys. We will be using them for patrol and traffic enforcment. Bu what really bothers me about Wrangler is manual transmission. Half of depertment cannot drive stick. I already feel sorry for clutch;a

Autom8r
12-01-2005, 22:54
For your use your BOD (whatever that is) probably had a brain-fart when he ordered the 5-speed. You're going to have the shiftless half to lean a new talent....

kawalerzysta
12-02-2005, 02:11
Originally posted by Autom8r
For your use your BOD (whatever that is) probably had a brain-fart when he ordered the 5-speed. You're going to have the shiftless half to lean a new talent....
Board of Directors :), and new Jeeps have 6 speed :)

Mud
12-02-2005, 10:19
Magsnubbie posted some good links

I love my 99

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v414/Bult4mud/DSC01154.jpg

Autom8r
12-02-2005, 11:08
6 -speed??? I wonder what they do with that extra gear??? My '97 has a 5- speed (6 including reverse), and I wouldn't know what to do with another gear. I guess if Low range gets counted, it's a ten speed. With the low 1st gear you can dust a Viper for 3 feet...

Trust me, I'll think you will like the things, especially ease of getting in and out. 'Course, that comes from an old guy who also drives an old '78 'Vette hotrod that makes the Jeep seem like a luxury car.

Dave

wino_ii
12-02-2005, 13:39
I have owned 5 Jeeps. One of them being a 95 wrangler yj. Be sure to get the Inline 6, 4.0 Liter. One of the best motors ever made.