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HOGUEMEISTER
10-18-2005, 19:41
Does anyone out there practice Kenpo?

Zenhachirou
10-18-2005, 21:18
No, I'm interested in learning about it though.

brock sampson
10-18-2005, 23:15
Kenpo is a somewhat generic term. In some circles it is used interchangeably with "Karate".
Any specific type or school you're looking to find out about? I may be able to shed a very small bit of light on the subject.

Zenhachirou
10-18-2005, 23:23
I heard it was like Japanese kickboxing. What I really want to know is, what it looks like, what kind of techniques they use. Do they use those embarassing, rigid-arm-and-body traditional punches? Or do they use the more free-flowing, efficient boxing/kickboxing moves? Do they have full-contact sparring? Do they do any throws? Any joint locks?

brock sampson
10-18-2005, 23:52
These things depend more on how you learn (and how you're instructed). At times you will see both hard and soft techniques. Some locks, and some throws are all incorporated, but you have to usually learn those embarassing punches along the way to understanding the other techniques. Do not confuse realistic combat situations with the basic training techniques you may be familiar with. A punch is usually trained a very specific way in order to learn the finer points. A simple punch in training can be a very detailed and difficult technique. This is in the hope that some of the technique will remain when you throw it at full speed/power. The same punch can be totally fluid and free-flowing. There are not a lot of "Traditional martial arts" that resemble boxing or kickboxing until you put them in the ring. 
Sparring is always an optional amount of force. Again, depending on the students and the instruction, contact sparring is typically learned at some point in most arts.
I don't mean to avoid giving a concise, accurate answer it 's just a broad question. I think the best way to answer your question is to go and see for yourself. Most classes are happy to let you sit in and watch.

Vanguard.45
10-19-2005, 07:07
Then yes, I studied it for a couple of years.

Very logical, very efficient, and very hard to find knowledgeable instructors.

Probably the best in the business today is Paul Mills. You can see some videos of him at his website (http://www.akki.com).

His nickname is "the Smiling Guillotine" and he was one of Parker's private students (many say he was the most talented of them all, and if you feel his strikes in person, it would be hard to imagine anyone doing it any better).

Kenpo is a very logical approach to the Chinese style arts, IMHO. Many of the movements are similar to the more compact Chinese systems.


Vanguard.45

Delon
10-20-2005, 14:40
Five years of Parker style American Kenpo under Donald Smith.
It is very important and very hard to find a good instructor.
Mr. Smith's studio is in Bend Oregon, I have yet to find a good studio close to the Portland Metro area.


Delon

rschoon
11-19-2005, 03:54
I don't know Mr. Mills but have studied in Mr. Steve LaBounty's line for over 15 years and have recently started studying under Mr. Huk Planas' line as well.

One thing a person must realize is that each of Mr. Parkers black belts (or anyone for that matter) has an area where they are more proficient than another area. Mr. Planas = Kata; Mr. Sepulveda = fighting.

The one thing we need to think about is that Kenpo is the study of motion in relation to the human body keeping in mind all of the principles and concepts of that motion.

One important thing to think about when choosing and instructor is weather or not he/she adheres to the principle and concepts and they have a teaching style that meshes with your personality.

My $0.02

Lunatic Fringe
11-21-2005, 10:57
What rschoon and Mr. Sampson said....

I studied for some time in Delaware while I lived in PA. Made it to 2nd Brown before I had to leave for various reasons. I attended various seminars under Richard "Huk" Planas, Joe Palanzo, and Frank Trejo (all 1st generation students of Mr. Parker)

I studied Isshinryu karate while in high school (only made it to green belt)

I see Isshinryu as a relatively "hard" style.

Other styles (Akikdo, Ju-Jitsu, etc) as "soft".

Kenpo (at least the way I was taught) always seemed to be a blending of the two. While defenitely a hard style (punches, blocks, kicks), there were enough throws and joint locks to round out the training. I've been looking for a place to continue studying Kenpo in the Savannah area. No such luck.

+1 on going to a few classes just to watch. If the place is legit, they won't have any problem with you watching. If you have any questions, ASK them (after the class is over, of course).

Dogbite
12-20-2005, 14:38
Growing up a buddy of mine had a brother that was into Kempo,and he used it with great effect on the streets.I did not like the high kicks he would throw sometimes.I was taught never to throw a kick above the belly button,which seemed to be good advice later. +1 on getting a good instructor--it makes all the difference in the world.

brock sampson
12-20-2005, 23:49
Yeah, typically you'll find that you don't want to kick to the head in a real fight, or serious sparring. Then again, don't limit your options, ever. Reminds me of a TKD friend I sparred with...once.


Hey Lunatic, who did you study with in Delaware? Just curious if it's anyone I may know of.
(Sorry about the off topic question guys.)

seed
12-21-2005, 05:34
I just started Kenpo but am not sure I like my school or not. It's early, but I have heard there is another Kenpo school which is further away which offers more class days (six a week) and individual instruction once a week. I'm going to check it out soon.

I started out in Kaja Kempo, but can see the advantages to the more practical American Kenpo system already. What are your thoughts about that?

Also, I am interested in recommendations for Kenpo schools in California (East Bay Area and San Diego area) as well as Las Vegas. I am looking for good instruction (obviously) as well as many available class times and ideally, much open-gym time. Any help is extremely appreciated.

lethal tupperwa
12-21-2005, 07:13
As his opponents hand came down to strike, ED did an about face lifted his knee very high and then did the same with his other knee as he beat feet in the opposite direction of the threat.

Lunatic Fringe
12-21-2005, 08:42
Brock,

Studied for a little over five years with Pat Caputo's American Karate Studio. Really enjoyed it. I wish I could find a Kenpo school in Savannah.


Lethal T,

"As his opponents hand came down to strike, ED did an about face lifted his knee very high and then did the same with his other knee as he beat feet in the opposite direction of the threat."

I don't doubt that story in the least. The best way to not get beat in a fight is to not be there in the first place. However, you would NOT have wanted to back Mr. Parker into a corner with no way out (except through you).

I can't find the reference to back up this statement, so take it for what it's worth, but...

Apparently, Bruce Lee once said of Ed Parker something to the effect of, "He is the most dangerous man in the world."

lethal tupperwa
12-21-2005, 15:27
I saw an Aikido teacher say " always give way"

His student asked, "what happens when you run out of room?"

The teacher said, "come strong."

When his back was near the far wall the teacher Looked like he sat on a swivel chair, rotated in air and was behind the student with the whole room to move backward through.

rbg23
01-03-2006, 11:43
I've studied Kenpo since 1986 in NY with the Traci system. I was an instructor from 1990 to 1997. I haven't competed since 2001, however, I still keep up on my technique in my basement.

ER_STL
01-03-2006, 14:34
I think you'll see quite a variation in what is called "Kenpo" as you go from school to school. In St. Louis, there are 4 Tracy's Karate schools teaching Kenpo and the style, concepts, and techniques taught in each school vary considerably, as each school takes on the personality of the owner and/or senior students there. The largest of the 4 has a strong focus on point-fighting and they tend to turn out excellent tournament fighters. The average black-belt coming out of that school has a good grasp on the Joe Louis point-fighting system, but has little ground-fighting experience. Another has incorportated jiu-jitsu and has more of a street-defense orientation. The average black-belt coming out of that school is a litte more well-rounded.

All are teaching some version of the 16 forms and 240 self-defense techniques offered (from white to 1st black) in the Tracy system, which incorporate about 70% upper-body strikes (i.e. punches, elbows, chops) and 30% lower-body strikes (i.e. kicks, knees, etc). Ground fighting wasn't part of any of the training until we started adding it. ;)

Huevos
01-23-2006, 17:11
Originally posted by rschoon
I don't know Mr. Mills but have studied in Mr. Steve LaBounty's line for over 15 years and have recently started studying under Mr. Huk Planas' line as well.

One thing a person must realize is that each of Mr. Parkers black belts (or anyone for that matter) has an area where they are more proficient than another area. Mr. Planas = Kata; Mr. Sepulveda = fighting.

The one thing we need to think about is that Kenpo is the study of motion in relation to the human body keeping in mind all of the principles and concepts of that motion.

One important thing to think about when choosing and instructor is weather or not he/she adheres to the principle and concepts and they have a teaching style that meshes with your personality.

My $0.02 Couldn't agree more. Six years in ED Parkers system....

G-perfection
01-30-2006, 20:07
can any of you block a bullet? bet cha can't! nuff said. :cool:

Huevos
01-30-2006, 20:53
Originally posted by G-perfection
can any of you block a bullet? bet cha can't! nuff said. :cool: Wow! Dig ya think that up yourself Goob.... ;Q

ltgibson2001
01-31-2006, 10:41
Originally posted by Huevos
Wow! Dig ya think that up yourself Goob.... ;Q


lol...I didn't think anybody but Southern Boys said Goob.

Critias
02-01-2006, 01:47
Originally posted by G-perfection
can any of you block a bullet? bet cha can't! nuff said. :cool:

Coming to the Martial Arts sub-forum just to wave a gun around and brag is not only stupid and immature, but almost a textbook example of trolling.

No one (in this thread, or elsewhere) has said anything about martial artists being superior to gunners, or has encouraged anyone to sell their guns and pay for kung-fu lessons, or has told anyone they'd never need a gun in an emergency and they should learn to throw a crescent kick instead.

The simple fact is being proficient in both firearms and unarmed combat makes someone far more prepared for an emergency than someone who's proficient in one or the other. It's not an "either/or" mindset.

Stop trolling.

G-perfection
02-01-2006, 16:26
Whoa, no trolling here..I was only kidding around. Sorry.

Allow me to ask again in a better way.....

I was just wondering if there was a certain Kenpo move (or any martial arts) that could maybe deflect or misdirect an oncoming round fired from 10-15ft away? Do you run towards the gun or far from it?

There is a style of martial arts called "Key" that when utilized correctly, incredibly deflects offensive blows and pain (almost like a human force field), anyone ever hear of this?

lethal tupperwa
02-01-2006, 16:55
Chi?

G-perfection
02-01-2006, 17:36
lethal,

Maybe so, I've only seen a brief demo on tv once. So maybe it was called "Chi" Do you know anything about it at all?

seed
02-02-2006, 02:35
Originally posted by G-perfection
Whoa, no trolling here..I was only kidding around. Sorry.

Allow me to ask again in a better way.....

I was just wondering if there was a certain Kenpo move (or any martial arts) that could maybe deflect or misdirect an oncoming round fired from 10-15ft away? Do you run towards the gun or far from it?

There is a style of martial arts called "Key" that when utilized correctly, incredibly deflects offensive blows and pain (almost like a human force field), anyone ever hear of this?

Yeah, I think Wonder Woman did this (of course I hear it on the QT that she had some special bracelets). Superman just grabbed the bullets though.

Seriously, you can't beat a bullet. Only superheros can...in the movies, cartoons and comic books.

lethal tupperwa
02-02-2006, 07:27
yes.

G-perfection
02-02-2006, 10:13
seed,

Aw yes, the "superhero" tricks. Then don't forget to mention Magneto of the X-men, who can stop bullets in mid air...

Or how about Neo from the Matrix? "Whoa, I can dodge bullets"

;z ;z ;z ;z ;z ;z ;z


Seriously, I know martial arts are great. Provided you can actually get close enough to the gunman and disarm him before he pulls the trigger. Not much of a time window there in most cases.

Almost like bringing a knife to a gunfight. You still gotta be close enough to actually engage your target, otherwise, why bother?

Critias
02-02-2006, 12:19
Originally posted by G-perfection
Seriously, I know martial arts are great. Provided you can actually get close enough to the gunman and disarm him before he pulls the trigger. Not much of a time window there in most cases.

Almost like bringing a knife to a gunfight. You still gotta be close enough to actually engage your target, otherwise, why bother?

To put it bluntly, you're wrong, and close-minded.

I'd rather have a gun, but what if it jams? What if you take out one threat, run out of ammo, and there's another threat? What if you don't have your gun on you (on an airplane, for instance)? What if whatever threat is going on isn't worth shooting someone (and all the legal trouble that brings, if you're lucky) over?

It's easy to think the Click-Click-Boom Dojo is the only technique we'll ever need. You obviously believe so (since you came to the Martial Arts forum, laughingly asked if anyone could block a bullet, gave it two more posts, and then went back onto your "martial arts sucks, guns rule" tangent). But that's quite simply not the case. The balance, fitness level, discipline, and (perhaps ranked last for a reason) combat training that can come with a good martial arts school are all invaluable traits, even for those who'll reach for a gun first thing (perhaps especially for those who'll reach for a gun).

But, again, show me where any of the gentlemen present have said to study martial arts instead of becoming proficient in firearms? You keep looking at it in an "either/or" method -- like you're gonna drop your gun and charge a bad guy who has a pistol. And that's bologna.

The simple fact is it's better to have a proficiency level with the martial arts than not. It's one more tool in your toolbox.

If I have a working knowledge of Kenpo (I'm using it as an example not because I know anything about it, I don't, but because that's the thread this discussion is taking place on) and I carry concealed, am I not better prepared than someone who only carries concealed? If I'm proficient in Kenpo and carry concealed, am I not more capable of defending myself where there might be too much of a crowd for a clean shot, where I might get jumped from behind, where I might have a jammed weapon or an empty magazine and threats remaining?

No one here in the martial arts forum is saying to learn a bunch of Kung Fu and then leave your gun at home, are they? You're the only one that's looking at it as "you can know a martial art OR carry a gun." And that's your loss, quite frankly.

Huevos
02-02-2006, 15:31
Originally posted by G-perfection
Seriously, I know martial arts are great. Provided you can actually get close enough to the gunman and disarm him before he pulls the trigger. Not much of a time window there in most cases.Perhaps you could elaborate on your experiences here.

Originally posted by G-perfection Almost like bringing a knife to a gunfight. You still gotta be close enough to actually engage your target, otherwise, why bother? [/B]You also gotta be smart enough to be aware that trouble is near. What good is that gun gonna do you when that "fool that brought a knife to a gunfight" walks up behind you and cuts your throat. If someones going to attack you they're likely to do it from close, not far. Even that lawyer in California that was attacked by the irate gentleman with a gun protected himself with a tree, he didn't bring anything but his wit to a gunfight and won, sort of, kept his life anyway. But I wouldn't pay it much mind, just laugh at people and shoot you Glock at paper, you'll be fine.

G-perfection
02-02-2006, 17:45
man, you guys should'nt really get so butt-hurt this easily.
I was just razzing ya a bit. You guys that actually let this bother you so much might wanna get away from your computer for a while and go get some fresh air, breath in and exhale. Awww, yes grasshopper. Now you can paint the fence, and wax on, wax off. ;a

Huevos
02-02-2006, 20:58
Quite the little troll aren't ya. Well, get your homework done and get to bed before your parents catch you on the computer again.

G-perfection
02-02-2006, 22:28
ok Idaho Huevass. Don't you have some cow tipping to do or PoTatos to pick? ;f

Critias
02-02-2006, 23:58
That's it. First insist you were asking a serious question in a light-hearted manner, now insist you were just "razzing" the whole time. Keep backpedaling, it's funny.

G-perfection
02-03-2006, 11:01
naah, I'm done giving you guys crap. Let's just end this in peace.
sorry if I offended anyone. I was just kidding around. ;c