Stovepipe in a struggle

[Skylark]

Planning to buy a G19 in December (2005). In the "Glock: The new wave in combat handguns" book, Peter Kasler says that a common cause of stovepipes in Glock pistols is a failure to provide sufficient resistance to recoil.

This got me wondering. What's your experience with operatonal failure if you shoot limp wristed, soft elbow or other shooting position other than the ideal positions?

Skylark

[ghostwn]

opps

[ghostwn]

My G19 & G17 has had no operational failures of any kind. Buy the G19 and you'll really enjoy shooting a pistol is reliable from the get go.;f

[peter3334]

When I first started shooting I got stovepipes as I limp wristed a G17L
I find limp wristing causes ejection failures on most semi-auto's

[DanV1317]

i've put over 6,000 rounds through my g17, never had a stovepipe. I had about 2 or 3 failures to feed, but that was about it. no other real problems to complain about.

[jyl]

I've had my 2nd gen G19 since new, about 1990 (?). I don't know how many rounds I've put through it - a lot, anyway.

When I first got it, Glocks were still sort of new, I'd heard about how reliable they were, so I decided to not clean my new gun and see how dirty it could get before it malfunctioned. After a year of going to the range frequently with no malfunction, I finally ended the experiment and cleaned the weapon. Back then I used the cheapest unjacketed lead reloads (I didn't know you weren't supposed to) so the gun was really dirty.

Anyway, this past Sunday I had my first ever malfunction, a stovepipe using cheap white box 9mm. Yes, I was limpwristing the gun. One malfunction in 16 years, I figure that's not bad reliability.

This has been a great gun. It requires a fair bit of concentration, or put it another way better technique, to shoot accurately at 25 yds. Not like the S&W model 52 I recently tried, that practically shot itself and only needed me to help it decide whether to punch 10 or X. My typical group with the Glock is larger than that. So I wouldn't call it a target gun. But for a reliable, durable, no-nonsense weapon, it is remarkable.

I have thought about modifying the G19 to make it a better target gun, but instead have decided to get a longslide (G17L or G34) and go the lighter trigger-custom barrel-Bomar sight route. The G19 is just too good at being what it is.

The only thing I wish is that I could mount a light on it (it doesn't have light rails). At least LaserMax makes an internal laser. I used to have a laser sight that clamped to the trigger guard, but it disappeared long ago.

I'm never giving up this gun! I hope you enjoy your G19 even more than I've enjoyed mine.

[Skylark]

Have any of you, other than Peter3334, deliberately tried to shoot limp-wristed, bent elbow or other position that might occur in a struggle to see if an operational failure would result?

Thanks,
Skylark

[Rusty Shackleford]

The only time I've run into stovepipes with any glock was with a filthy G26 range rental.

I picked up my third G19 today and immediately went out and used up a box of ammo. I thought of this thread and specifically tried to shoot with unlocked, bent wrists and elbows, holding the gun only enough to keep from dropping it during recoil. No stovepipes. I tried this with 115gr WWB ammo and some 147gr blazer. I think I'd have to actually pull my arms back while firing to get it to malfunction.

[buddyRoland]

I know I wear it out but when all else fails?

http://www.regwebdesign.com/G19/getTheG19.jpg

[doktarZues]

Like Rusty said, I've tried on many occasions to deliberately limp wrist and never had any sort of stovepipe or ftf. I was a bit disappointed that I could never produce one reading about all of the limp-wrist warnings on glocktalk, but at the same time its inspiring and gives you a bit more confidence in the piece. (not that I needed any extra confidence!)

dok

[Skylark]

Originally posted by Rusty Shackleford
The only time I've run into stovepipes with any glock was with a filthy G26 range rental.

I picked up my third G19 today and immediately went out and used up a box of ammo. I thought of this thread and specifically tried to shoot with unlocked, bent wrists and elbows, holding the gun only enough to keep from dropping it during recoil. No stovepipes. I tried this with 115gr WWB ammo and some 147gr blazer. I think I'd have to actually pull my arms back while firing to get it to malfunction.
Great feedback info! Thanks for trying it out.
Can hardly wait until December to try and buy a G19.

Thanks to "ALL" who responded,
Skylark