Vector 10mm Carbines!

[Clarkbar]

The Coharie Arms-built Vector MP5/10 clones are coming!

Pix of Vector MP5 clones (10, 40, 357) (http://www.vectorarms.com/guns/MP5%20closeups.htm)

Vector Pricing (http://www.vectorarms.com/other/cohaire%20pricing.htm)

Now . . . don't these beat a Mech-Tech or a Dalphon? Extra 30rd mags are, IIRC, about $35 each.

I am waiting on my SBR variant in 10mm . . .

[ShootNMove]

Thanks for posting that. I am now saving for one.

[Clarkbar]

Originally posted by ShootNMove
Thanks for posting that. I am now saving for one.

If you truly want one, you'd better call Vector and see if you can get on the wait-list. Special Weapons is only supplying 400 receivers to Coharie, and once those are gone, there's no guarantee of any more ever being made.

Thread from HK-54 board on the limited number of MP5/10/40/357s to be made . . . (http://www.hk-54.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=566)

[Bravo-Four]

Thats too bad to hear so few units will be made. I would really like to get an MP5-10 whether or not it is a variant.

The number 1 reason I dislike H&K, is their unwillingness to chamber their weapons in other, ahem -real-, calibers. A 10mm USP would be pretty cool, but then again, so would a GLOCK 10mm SMG *drool*

[Grayrider]

I checked on Coharie Arms and they are Special Weapons. I don't know about you guys, but if you have had a Special Weapons gun (I have had more than one) then the idea of another is far from appealing.

Perhaps someone else will make a 10mm carbine. The Cav Arms lowers now have the ability to take grease gun mags, so there is room in there for a newly designed 10mm mag to go with an Oly upper. At least with those companies there is some certainty of customer service if something goes wrong. Of course Vector is a great company, so if they are providing service then the MP5/10s may be okay.

GR

[Clarkbar]

Originally posted by Grayrider
I checked on Coharie Arms and they are Special Weapons. I don't know about you guys, but if you have had a Special Weapons gun (I have had more than one) then the idea of another is far from appealing.

I've been following the reports on Bobcat HK-clones quite closely since the announcement of the Vector/Coharie clones . . . Bobcat is a company closely related to Special Weapons that uses their parts (almost exclusively, I believe). Bobcat has great customer service and seems to always be able to make right what may have gone wrong.

I expect no less from Vector, given their reputation w/ their clones of the HK53 and HK33.

Perhaps someone else will make a 10mm carbine. The Cav Arms lowers now have the ability to take grease gun mags, so there is room in there for a newly designed 10mm mag to go with an Oly upper. At least with those companies there is some certainty of customer service if something goes wrong.

Call me a gun snob, but I really don't like these cobbled-together conversions that are basically unique and one-source products dependant on that source for all service and parts. Do they have factory-made mags? Do they lock back on an open bolt? Etc.

Of course Vector is a great company, so if they are providing service then the MP5/10s may be okay.

For only ~$1500, I am willing to jump on a clone of the MP5/10. There are still quite a bit of factory HK MP5/10 (and especially MP5/40) parts out there, there are plenty of HK gunsmiths that can work on them, and they are far better engineered (in concept) than a blow-back conversion AR15.

[Grayrider]

Perhaps, IF the Vector is a true clone of the MP5/10. Again, if Special Weapons is involved they may not be. Have you seen their 45 caliber MP5s? Not well executed. I suppose we will see once the guns are in hand. Are those factory H&K mags in the pictures on Vectors site? I thought the 40 and 10mm magazines were a white translucent plastic.

GR

[Clarkbar]

SW has tooled up to make mags which supposedly are exact replicas of the HK factory mags, and these guns will take factory mags (if you can find them). I don't doubt your judgment of the SW45, as that was a new variation (sort of like the Cav Arms and Oly 10mm carbines). At least they had an existing firearm to work from in building the MP5/10s.

They are also coming out w/ extra locking pieces to give further tunability in terms of ammo selection.

[Sabot 23]

Thanks, Clarkbar, I will be selling a few guns soon to buy one of the 10mm carbines. At worst, I'll have a valuable collector's item. At best, I will have one of my dream guns, and will need to finally bite the bullet and go through the process to legally have a SBR, or a "PDW" whatever that is.

BTW, what is a "PDW"? I know it is an NFA weapon, is it just a SBR with a collapsing/folding stock? Is it some term for a suppressed version? Thanks.

[Clarkbar]

Originally posted by Sabot 23
BTW, what is a "PDW"? I know it is an NFA weapon, is it just a SBR with a collapsing/folding stock? Is it some term for a suppressed version? Thanks.

The MP5-PDW is merely an MP5K w/ an added Choate folding stock. HK never made any MP5Ks or PDWs in anything other than 9mm:
http://www.hkpro.com/mp5k.htm

Vector is offering MP5K versions in 10, 40, and 357, as well as in PDW format. I don't know how the shorter K (for "kurz", German for "short") variants will hold up under 10mm recoil. I would advise you buy the full-sized version.

[MCNETT]

If you guys want a no BS report on the new Vector MP-5, call them up at 801-295-1917 and tell them that you want them to loan DoubleTap Ammunition a sample gun for testing. I have 20,000rds that I could use. We could get a real good idea of how reliable and accurate these guns are. I called and they said that they didn't have any loaners available, but they would see. If we can get a few hundred 10mm guys to call in, that might change their minds!
-Mike

[Rigormootis]

I got an email yesterday from them stating that my name was "up" on the wait list for one of these....but I am not sure that I still want one. I am not sure if I can chose someone to "give my place" to...but it may be possible. Anyone interested and have $$$ in hand for one? If so, I could say so and try to get "mine" for you.

LMK.

- C

[10mm4ever]

Originally posted by MCNETT
If you guys want a no BS report on the new Vector MP-5, call them up at 801-295-1917 and tell them that you want them to loan DoubleTap Ammunition a sample gun for testing. I have 20,000rds that I could use. We could get a real good idea of how reliable and accurate these guns are. I called and they said that they didn't have any loaners available, but they would see. If we can get a few hundred 10mm guys to call in, that might change their minds!
-Mike Mike,if this pans out will you post the results asap?Guess I'd prefer not to dump that much cash to be a guinea pig.I will call the # tomorrow,and let you know the outcome.

[MCNETT]

I will post a write up here and on the DoubleTap website giving a honest no-BS assessment.
-Mike

[hartzpad]

Mike, you might try "Get Some Guns" in Midvale, UT. I was there today and they had a Vector MP5/10, although someone already had it on lawaway, you may be able to work something out if the owner is cool.

[Glockdude1]

Think a 10mm vector MP5 could safely fire .40rds also? Now that would be great to fire both rds with no conversion parts.

;N

[Clarkbar]

Originally posted by Glockdude1
Think a 10mm vector MP5 could safely fire .40rds also? Now that would be great to fire both rds with no conversion parts.

I am no expert on HK's roller-locked operating system, but I know that the chambers are fluted to enhance extraction . . . so I would think that you'd get massive backblast out of the chamber into the rollers and bolt head area if you fired the shorter 40-cal ammo in the 10mm chamber.

They're making these in 40-cal . . . so if you want to shoot that, why not just get a CA5-40?

Personally, I will occasionally buy a box of WWB 40-cal at Wally World to shoot in my S&W 610 (w/ moonclips) but I wouldn't shoot 40 in any other of my 10mm firearms.

[Glockdude1]

Clarkbar

I know vector makes them in .40. I was curious as to being able to safely fire both rds from the same weapon. I see your point on the fluted chamber. It would not be safe to fire a .40 in the 10mm chamber of a vector 10mm MP5.

;N

[MCNETT]

Vector just ordered a bunch of 10mm 180gr FMJ Match for testing the MP-5's.
-Mike

[agtman]

Mike:

I think that's a GREAT idea, and it's a very important service to 10mm fans.

If the Vector MP5/10mm carbine can stand up to thousands of rounds of Double Tap 10mm ammo, then it's for real. If not, then it's junk. There's no sense in marketing a 10mm "carbine" at that price point if it can't function reliably over time firing a steady diet of full-power 10mm ammo. If it can only accept 40-level 10mm loads, what's the point? Just get a MP5/.40S&W.

Having fired the Bureau's HK 10mm, I can tell you that the 10mm AUTO makes for an AWESOME carbine round - if you're going to choose a pistol cartridge for that task. Much better the 10mm, of course, than the 9mm, .40 or .45acp. The HK 10mm's "felt-recoil" was a non-issue, and it's flat-shooting accuracy at various ranges (50yds, 75yds & 100yds) was apparent to everyone.

So, yes, it's possible to build a high quality 10mm carbine - and, yes, as a carbine round, the 10mm's performance is that damn good.

It'll also be interesting to see if Vector's MP5 10mms use high-quality dedicated 10mm mags or el cheapo-crapos that cause hiccups, jams and other chaotic activity after a few hundred rounds.

[NordicG3K]

I'll be curious to see how Vector dealt with the dual power level issue. The original HK MP5 10mms used two different weight bolt carriers; a lighter one for the "FBI Lite" stuff, and a heavier one for the full power fodder.

The Vector guns only come with one 30-round mag. I ordered a second so that just in case I have problems I can tell if it's a design problem rather than just one particular mag. I also have a genuine HK mag that I picked up some time ago. The ones Vector is selling look good, but we'll see...

[Clarkbar]

Originally posted by NordicG3K
I'll be curious to see how Vector dealt with the dual power level issue. The original HK MP5 10mms used two different weight bolt carriers; a lighter one for the "FBI Lite" stuff, and a heavier one for the full power fodder.

SW locking piece giveaway (but only if you test ammo for them) . . . (http://www.hk-54.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=605)

Todd Bailey is offering the possibility of getting 2-3 free locking pieces for your new MP5/10/40/357 if you apply to him and tell him what ammo you're going to test. If he accepts you, then you have 60 days to test the locking pieces and ammo and report back to him (to keep them for free). Here's the list of locking pieces available:

- 100 degree (same angle as MP5/9mm, different cut to fit 40-cal bolt head)
- 90 degree (same as MP5/10 Lo, comes in every gun)
- 80 degree (same as MP5/40 but HK stopped shipping this one and switched to shipping all guns either caliber with the 90 degree one)
- 70 degree
- 60 degree (same as MP5/10 Hi)
- 50 degree

Personally, I think the 10mm aficianado should have both the 60-degree and 50-degree locking pieces on hand to handle the stouter 10mm loads (Double Tap and handloads) that we prefer.

Also, Top-Notch is selling the full-auto bolt carrier for these weapons (which are bigger/heavier and have a tungsten filler) . . . which I also plan on purchasing.

[Rigormootis]

very interesting!!!
;c