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TED

10-31-2005, 19:51

Talked to them this morning, they are in stock and shipping right now.

Too bad I can't afford to buy one. I'm almost crying over it (seriously). It is a limited prodcution run and I will probably never see one. Oh well, I know a Class 3 dealer that has a select fire HK original. I shoudl see if I can shoot it and that will make me feel better.

TED

Sabot 23

10-31-2005, 20:24

Arrrgh, they are all backordered, right? I mean, if one hasn't already placed an order, it's too late, right? I recently bought a nice 11-87p with surefire fore end with some of the money I was saving for my MP5/10 because I thought it was already too late a couple weeks ago. If I find out that I could be placing an order now if only I had not spent that money, well... well I might just shoot my monitor. (Desktop pc monitor, not the lizzard)

I need detailed range reports from all you lucky sumbiches who are due to receive one of these soon. Very, very, very extreamly jealous. One of my dream guns, near the top of the list... Goshdarnit, I want one of those ...

Myself

10-31-2005, 21:10

It may be possible that you can still order them. They are shipping now but they are not all received. I was told to expect 4 - 5 more weeks and I was about number 150. I don't know how many spaces are still open so I would try right away if you wnat one.

If anyone gets one please give us a range report. Hope they work nice.

Glockdude1

10-31-2005, 21:28

They are also selling them in .357 sig & .40 also.

www.vectorarms.com

;N

Bravo-Four

10-31-2005, 22:35

Originally posted by Glockdude1
They are also selling them in .357 sig & .40 also.

www.vectorarms.com

;N

Why these rounds are popular, is beyond me. Why shoot poop pellets and ten-midgets when the -real deal- is out there!! We all know fully well what lead to the slow down in the 10, but please, we have yet to find a reliable *****-hot SMG/Carbine -available-. Its going to take a bold machinist/gunsmith/richguy to get something -real- on the market. Double-Tap, you should make 10's!

Glockdude1

10-31-2005, 22:38

Originally posted by Bravo-Four
Why these rounds are popular, is beyond me.

Most of my pistols are .40 That would 1 reason I would want one of these weapons in that caliber.

;N

Bravo-Four

10-31-2005, 22:43

Originally posted by Glockdude1
Most of my pistols are .40 That would 1 reason I would want one of these weapons in that caliber.

;N

A valid point yeah, everyone and their dog is equipped in this caliber. I guess the 10mm's muzzle velocity, energy deposit, versatility, ammo capacity, and general superiority are not top concerns in the market.

Lets all buy .380's and go hunting! Wahoo

ILikeFtLbs

10-31-2005, 23:16

One could always just get a registered Class 3 Ar-15 or M16 receiver and mount an Olympic Arms 10mm upper right? There are options out there if we can't get in on this chance.

Glockdude1

11-01-2005, 00:38

Wulfenite

11-01-2005, 17:49

Fricking fracking Ca. state legislature!!!!! :steamed:

NordicG3K

11-01-2005, 19:38

Talked to the people at Vector today. I decided to change my order from the carbine to the SBR. Glad I called because they had screwed up and had me down for the pistol version. They also said that I was just added to the list yesterday which isn't right. I emailed their general manager who supposedly put me on the list back in April so hopefully he'll be able to take care of that.

Clarkbar

11-02-2005, 14:03

Originally posted by NordicG3K
Talked to the people at Vector today. I decided to change my order from the carbine to the SBR. Glad I called because they had screwed up and had me down for the pistol version. They also said that I was just added to the list yesterday which isn't right. I emailed their general manager who supposedly put me on the list back in April so hopefully he'll be able to take care of that.

I initially posted:
How long did they tell you that it would take to ship the SBR? They told me six months (three for them to register it, and three more for approval to transfer it to my Class III dealer).

?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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Ok, I just got off the phone with Rex Merrill, and he confirmed to me that it would only take about a month to six weeks to register the gun as an SBR and to gain approval for shipment to my Class III dealer. Soooo . . . I had him change my order from the FS-variant (w/ permanently attached faux suppressor) to the SBR-variant (straight up goodness).

That means, of course, that I will have about nine months of grace time to have my transfer approved by the ATF before my next trip back to the United States . . . hopefully, it will be done by then and I'll be able to take possession right away.

NordicG3K

11-02-2005, 19:42

The way it was explained to me was you place your order and they build the gun. Once the gun is done you pay for it, they send off a Form 3 to the BATF. You then send in your Form 4 and $200 (which they are already expecting because of the Form 3) and then when that's approved (typically 90 days) you can take possession of the gun (which has to be shipped to a Class III dealer). They have someone at Vector who will walk you through the steps and help you cross all the "t's" and dot the "i's." I've never purchased an NFA weapons before, but it sounds pretty straight forward. If this works out I might have to look into a .40 caliber surpressor too!

JinVA

11-02-2005, 20:51

Why not just get the one with the pinned on FH, and shoot that while you wait for the paperwork to come through, then cut of the FH?

Mr. Big

11-02-2005, 20:53

From what I have heard and seen first hand, transfers (both forms 3 & 4) are really starting to pick up speed. The head of NFA branch told folks at KCR MG shoot recently that their goal was to have all forms turned around in 30 days or less.

So, hopefully, your waits won't be as painful as you had thought.

RenegadeGlocker

11-02-2005, 21:04

How long did they tell you that it would take to ship the SBR? They told me six months (three for them to register it, and three more for approval to transfer it to my Class III dealer).

Takes a C2 about 10 seconds to register an NFA weapon. They just fax a Form 2 to the ATF. The Form 3 from them to your dealer will be a month or so, maybe less. Things seem to be moving a lot faster now that they have moved to West Virginia.

NordicG3K

11-03-2005, 18:14

Talked to Vector today and they told me I was next on the list! After talking to Michelle I changed my order back to the carbine with the fake surpressor. She told me that they were advising those who wanted to get the SBR to go ahead and order the carbine, file the paperwork, and then remove the fake surpressor once the Form 4 has been approved. This way you've got a gun to play with while you wait and it doesn't need to be shipped to a Class III dealer. Apparently all you need to do is grind away a small retention pin to remove the fake surpressor. Michelle also told me that an actual signed FFL is no longer necessary and that I could have my dealer simply fax their FFL to them. I don't know if this is for all FFL transactions, or just if you're dealing with the manufacturer, but it's nice to see that the BATF is streamlining the process. If all works out I should have my Vector MP5 10mm sometime next week!

Glolt20-91

11-04-2005, 01:19

Wow, now that's impressive. They probably conceal better than my 1874 Sharps with a slightly faster rate of fire. ;a

Adios,
Bob

bkean

11-06-2005, 00:53

Originally posted by Bravo-Four
A valid point yeah, everyone and their dog is equipped in this caliber. I guess the 10mm's muzzle velocity, energy deposit, versatility, ammo capacity, and general superiority are not top concerns in the market.

Lets all buy .380's and go hunting! Wahoo

At some velocity standard handgun bullets start falling apart in the barrel, keyholing, and doing other not so good things. Therefor having a round that goes mach 2 or higher is going to be counterproductive. So a .40 loaded by DT, for instance - going out of the barrel at 1800 fps might be just the optimal ticket, whereas a 10mm departing at 2500 fps may result in a bullet not performing as well as the .40 going slower. I have an order in for the .40 and although I thought about the 10mm the extra cost of ammo (and I will blow through tons of ammo with this thing) and the likelihood of bullets holding up to the likely velocity seemed to speak against the idea.

Clarkbar

11-06-2005, 03:50

Originally posted by bkean
At some velocity standard handgun bullets start falling apart in the barrel, keyholing, and doing other not so good things. Therefor having a round that goes mach 2 or higher is going to be counterproductive.

Is this gunzine "wisdom" or do you have some documented, objective observations that we can refer to in order to back up these statements?

Just curious.

NordicG3K

11-06-2005, 09:44

I don't see how it could come apart in the barrel, but I've had varmint bullets come apart after leaving the barrel. Thin jackets, deep rifling and excessive velocities does not a good combination make! As for keyholing, in my experience it's more often due to using the wrong bullet weight in a particular twist rate, or some kind of imperfection (burr, scratch, ding, etc.) at the muzzle or forcing cone.

bkean

11-08-2005, 21:18

Originally posted by Clarkbar
Is this gunzine "wisdom" or do you have some documented, objective observations that we can refer to in order to back up these statements?

Just curious.

Yes - I shot a real man's carbine (.50 beowulf) - and it is a freaking fire breathing dragon spitting 300 gr @ 2000 fps + - experimenting with lighter bullets at faster velocities has proven problematic - 250 gr @ 2300+ - which is probably heavier and faster than a 10 would ever go but is still the problem with handgun bullets at rifle speeds, IMO. The only thing I have found is the all copper bullets that might do the trick - they are next on my list - but not sure they come in .50

What's your fount of wisdom been with such velocities - since you ask?

Clarkbar

11-09-2005, 01:25

Originally posted by bkean
Yes - I shot a real man's carbine (.50 beowulf) - and it is a freaking fire breathing dragon spitting 300 gr @ 2000 fps + - experimenting with lighter bullets at faster velocities has proven problematic - 250 gr @ 2300+

Thanks for all that great wisdom regarding the firing of hot 10mm loads in a 9" barreled MP5/10!!!!

Oh, wait, you're talking about a 50 Beowulf AR15 . . . 16" barrel?

Apples and oranges, buddy. But, I'm glad you can read and understand the words that make up the topic.

Good luck w/ that 10, errr, 50 Beowulf.

bkean

11-09-2005, 04:52

The beowulf is the same velocity and bullet as the S&W 500 - so it is a "handgun bullet" - in fact there is a revolver that chambers it. It uses .50 AE bullets. Do you consider 50 AE a rifle bullet?

Clarkbar

11-09-2005, 05:20

Originally posted by bkean
The beowulf is the same velocity and bullet as the S&W 500 - so it is a "handgun bullet" - in fact there is a revolver that chambers it. It uses .50 AE bullets. Do you consider 50 AE a rifle bullet?

I don't consider 50-cal bullets on "The 10 Ring" . . .

I would however consider data on the velocities of handloads or factory (Winchester, Double Tap, whatever) 10mm ammo fired out of 9" or 10" barrels (similar to the new MP5 clones) to analyze possible problems from high-velocity 10mm bullets.

So, now we have a "Fat Guy" theory and a "Serial Crusher" theory . . .

RenegadeGlocker

11-09-2005, 06:43

Originally posted by bkean
The beowulf is the same velocity and bullet as the S&W 500 - so it is a "handgun bullet" - in fact there is a revolver that chambers it. It uses .50 AE bullets. Do you consider 50 AE a rifle bullet?

I do not consider it "standard handgun bullets".

Anyway, at what velocity do they come apart in the barrel? What causes them to come apart? Rotational Velocity or heat? I have know heat to cause 5.56 rifle bullets to come apart, but never heard of velocity as a cause.

bkean

11-09-2005, 09:03

Originally posted by RenegadeGlocker
I do not consider it "standard handgun bullets".

Anyway, at what velocity do they come apart in the barrel? What causes them to come apart? Rotational Velocity or heat? I have know heat to cause 5.56 rifle bullets to come apart, but never heard of velocity as a cause.

.44 mag wasn't standard back when it came out - the big boys are always meet with trepidation - rightly so. I think it is standard now - the 500 S&W was one of the biggest handgun sellers in revolvers last year. It is similar to the 45-70 that is also a common denominator between modern revolvers and cowboy carbines (of old).

The problem with bullet failure is due to the binding between the copper / brass exterior (which is usually thin) and the interior lead mass. It is not common for a strong bond in handgun rounds - whereas that is the case for rifle slugs - thicker brass/copper (exterior)that lessens the problem and/or better binding to the lead. It is a very rare and bad occurence when it would happen in the bore - it starts in the bore (with alot of fouling at high velocities - coating the barrel) but mostly makes the bullet less aerodynamic (hence keyholing) and when it penetrates the game it is in a bunch of peices.

Hope that helps.