Handled Vector's new MP5/10, (10mm MP5) today

[hartzpad]

Local shop surprisingly had a bunch of new Vector HK's, .40, 10mm, .357 sig and some .308 carbines as well as pistols.

He had one MP5 in 10mm w/ full stock that already had a down payment on it but he let me handle it. It is very light, felt like an airsoft gun, I don't remember the select fire 9mm MP5 I rented weighing that little. The bolt hold mechanism is perfect! The bolt release is very ergonomic, located within easy reach of where your left thumb is when you have a normal grip. The 10mm magazines seemed very cheap. They were straight mags (not-translucent like most in pictured) made of Zytel or a polyer with ridges throughout the exterior, they seemed way too light and weak, but the paddle mag release was very fast and easy to use. All were priced at $1450 IIRC, there were some as pistols but most were 16" barrels w/ the standard 3 lug attachment or maybe they were 8" barrels w/ permanent extensions that looked like extended barrels. I would love to get one of these in 10mm, but I think $1450 is too rich for my blood if it doesn't shoot rifle rounds, plus I would have to spend another $200 to SBR it because I couldn't own a 16" barrel MP5.

http://www.hkpro.com/image/mp5-10proto.jpg

BTW, this place also had a 13" barrel DSA OSW FAL that they had w/ a folding paratrooper stock. It was sweet! But at $2000, just too much.

http://www.dsarms.com/images/sa58osw.gif

[Bravo-Four]

Now, these 10mm MP5's are not considered Class III items are they? Being single/safe configurations I see no reason why they would be. I would hate to drop that much money down only to wait god knows how long to ever use the thing....Just wondering because the web site order page said something about it...

[Clarkbar]

Originally posted by Bravo-Four
Now, these 10mm MP5's are not considered Class III items are they?

Nope. They are only NFA items if they have a shoulder stock AND a barrel length of less than 16". There's also an overall length consideration (23", IIRC), but that's not an issue here.

Thus, a pistol version w/ the 8.5" barrel is just a pistol (because it has a receiver endcap, and no stock) . . . the rifle version w/ the 8.5" is just a rifle, because it has a permanently attached muzzle extension (the faux suppressor).

FULL-SIZED PISTOL VARIANT:
http://www.specialweaponsinc.com/Pictures/ca89-402s.JPG

IF you have one w/ an 8.5" barrel (no extension) AND a shoulder stock, THEN you have an SBR, and it must be registered as such BEFORE you configure it in that manner.

RIFLE VARIANT:
http://www.vectorarms.com/guns/MP5%20Rifle%20R%20close.gif

Being single/safe configurations I see no reason why they would be. I would hate to drop that much money down only to wait god knows how long to ever use the thing....Just wondering because the web site order page said something about it...

I was going to order mine as an SBR, but Vector told me that it would six months just to get it to my Class III dealer, and another three to six for me to receive it after that.

SO, I just paid for mine last night as a rifle (w/ A2 stock and permanently attached muzzle extension). Total shipped was about $1475 including S&H and two extra mags). They discount for active duty military, BTW.

"K" VARIANT (LEGALLY A PISTOL):
http://www.vectorarms.com/guns/ca89-40k2%20WEB.gif

"PDW" VARIANT (LEGALLY A RIFLE):
http://www.vectorarms.com/guns/CA5-40extended%20WEB.gif

"PDW" VARIANT (LEGALLY AN SBR):
http://www.vectorarms.com/guns/CA5_40%20Collapse%20WEB.gif

[martinbryant]

Local shop surprisingly had a bunch of new Vector HK's, .40, 10mm, .357 sig and some .308 carbines as well as pistols.

I am in Utah as well, which shop had them? Vector arms is in North Salt Lake so I guess you could go there to see if they have any to look at, but they are probably all on back-order anyways.

[TED]

I would like to know the name of the shop as well.

TED

[hartzpad]

It's "Get Some Guns" in Midvale, UT. 7259 South 700 West in Midvale. (801) 562-1222

[martinbryant]

WOW! That's where I bought my CETME from. Great shop, I was thinking of going there to get my concealed weapons permit.

[nickE10mm]

mmmmmm .... i'd really like the rifle variant..... ;e

[Bravo-Four]

Ok, is this stuff compatible with H&K externals, such as surefire light front stock combo, or a weaver style mount so I can put an EOtech on it? Not so sure about those fake suppressor's though. eww.
I think id go with the PDW variant, I guess I wont mind waiting for it, its worth it.

Check the H&K forums though, some Fed just posted a picture of his MP5-10 that he has on loan, that is what I would like to turn my vector into.

[Clarkbar]

Originally posted by Bravo-Four
Ok, is this stuff compatible with H&K externals, such as surefire light front stock combo, or a weaver style mount so I can put an EOtech on it? Not so sure about those fake suppressor's though. eww.
I think id go with the PDW variant, I guess I wont mind waiting for it, its worth it.

These rifles/pistols/carbines/SBRs are supposed to accept factory HK 10mm/40-cal magazines, and all other standard MP5 accessories. They will require 10mm/40-cal specific MP5 parts such as suppressors, flash hiders (that attach to the 10mm sized three-lug bbl) and the 10mm-modified A3 sliding stock (that has a relieved section to accommodate the BHO device).

Most HK clones have problems utilizing HK claw mounts, but usually work well with the B&T scope mount.

YMMV.

[Rigormootis]

Also...

Does anyone know if these will have fluted chambers (like the "real" 9mm MP5s)? While this is serves as a nice reliability enhancer, if you are buying your own ammo rather than uncle sugar supplying it to you, it might be nice to know ahead of time (e.g., before buying) if all your "precious" 10mm brass will be fire-and-forget.

Just a thought... I'd love to hear the answer from someone who has seen one of these "in the flesh" so to speak.

[Clarkbar]

Originally posted by Rigormootis
Does anyone know if these will have fluted chambers (like the "real" 9mm MP5s)? While this is serves as a nice reliability enhancer, if you are buying your own ammo rather than uncle sugar supplying it to you, it might be nice to know ahead of time (e.g., before buying) if all your "precious" 10mm brass will be fire-and-forget.

Check out this link: Top-Notch's MP5/10/40/357 Parts Page (http://www.top-notchparts.com/mp5-40parts.htm)

Since SW is making the parts, and SW supplies Top-Notch, I must assume that the new, stainless barrels that Top-Notch is carrying are the same ones on the Vector/Coharie guns (since all of the parts for them come from SW).

[martinbryant]

BTW, this place also had a 13" barrel DSA OSW FAL that they had w/ a folding paratrooper stock. It was sweet! But at $2000, just too much.
Wouldn't that make it an SBR? Get Some Guns is not a class 3 dealer, are they?

Anyways, I am going to go down to their store and check the MP5's out. They don't have any more for sale, or do they? Also, what does everybody think of the investment value of this gun? If there is a limited amount that's made, they should go up in price just like real HK rifles or their SP89 pistol (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=39342783).

[Sabot 23]

I am by no means an expert on the HK weapons, but from what little I know, and from the limited experience I have cleaning, firing, etc a new PTR91 (G3 style rifle)it seems like the flutes in the chamber are essential to the "delay" in the roller-lock mechanism. This may only be a factor with the .308 guns, I dunno. Anyway, I'm pretty sure they have fluted chambers, so the brass will be toast. Small price to pay, really - and I do cherish my 10mm brass.

[hartzpad]

Originally posted by martinbryant
Wouldn't that make it an SBR? Get Some Guns is not a class 3 dealer, are they?

Anyways, I am going to go down to their store and check the MP5's out. They don't have any more for sale, or do they? Also, what does everybody think of the investment value of this gun? If there is a limited amount that's made, they should go up in price just like real HK rifles or their SP89 pistol (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=39342783).

It has a permanently attached 3" long flash supressor. It is legal.

[hartzpad]

Originally posted by Sabot 23
I am by no means an expert on the HK weapons, but from what little I know, and from the limited experience I have cleaning, firing, etc a new PTR91 (G3 style rifle)it seems like the flutes in the chamber are essential to the "delay" in the roller-lock mechanism. This may only be a factor with the .308 guns, I dunno. Anyway, I'm pretty sure they have fluted chambers, so the brass will be toast. Small price to pay, really - and I do cherish my 10mm brass.

I don't think even full power 10mm would have enough energy to warp the brass into the flutes bad enough to make them non-reloadable, but maybe. I have had several HK91 owners tell me that the flute grooves in their spent brass went away after being cleaned in a case tumbler and that they have been able to reload it afterwards w/o any problems. My HK G-3 clone didn't warp the brass too bad from the flutes (mostly just carbon marks) but it would always bend the case mouths when it ejected them against the receiver. A port buffer would solve that.

I would like to know if 10mm brass out of an MP5/10 would actually be reloadable, I would guess that it would but I don't know for sure.

[Rigormootis]

I'd really like to know about this (the brass thing) since the .308 brass I've seen from HK weapons systems has been chewed up pretty badly. I'm trying to justify a pistol-config MP5-10, but having to choose between an $1500 8.5" barrelled pistol w/ 30rd mags that eats my brass vs. a 6" G20 w/ much cheaper 15rd mags that doesn't ruin my brass is a "tough call" to say the least...

[Rabbit Creek]

Fort Rich Alaska still have several of the real deal H&K MP5-10mms that remain broken...ya see the gun won't hold up to the power of the caliber.
Good luck with the plastic clone thingies!

[Clarkbar]

Originally posted by Rabbit Creek
Fort Rich Alaska still have several of the real deal H&K MP5-10mms that remain broken...ya see the gun won't hold up to the power of the caliber.

Were they using full- or nearly full-power 10mm ammo (Win Silvertip, etc) w/ the 10-LO locking piece? That's the only thing that would make sense, since the MP5/40s out there aren't beating themselves to death.

If you fire 10 Lite ammo w/ the 10-LO locking piece, it's the same as firing standard 40 S&W w/ the same LP. If you shoot hot 40 or hot 10, you need to adjust the LP.

[TED]

Originally posted by Rabbit Creek
Fort Rich Alaska still have several of the real deal H&K MP5-10mms that remain broken...ya see the gun won't hold up to the power of the caliber.
Good luck with the plastic clone thingies!

Tell me more about this. How did Ft. Rich end up with some 10mm MP5's?

TED

[Mr. Big]

Originally posted by Rabbit Creek
Fort Rich Alaska still have several of the real deal H&K MP5-10mms that remain broken...ya see the gun won't hold up to the power of the caliber.
Good luck with the plastic clone thingies! Why do they remain broken? ANything other than the receiver can be replaced.