Select Fire-3 Shot Burst??????

[dsgb610]

I know that a fully automatic or any gun leagally modified and avail. to purchase are way way expensive, and to my knowledge there are thousands of checkpoints that one must encounter to qualify for the gun. From what I hear a cheap select fire/3 shot burst can be had for a little over $1000.00, if this is true who? what? where? and when? Since i could never and would never pay for a full auto im very interested in these "select fire' guns. Could anyone of my fellow GTers provide me with any info? PLEASE? Thanks

[RenegadeGlocker]

No such luck. 2/3/Whatever burst is still a machine gun under Federal Law.

[r2kba]

Haha Nice try.

[Polycop]

More than one round with one pull of the trigger is a machine gun.... About the cheapest thing you can get into would be a Mac for around $3K...

[Lior]

It's legal as long as it has 3 triggers.

[raysheen]

I think I read this thread a little bit differently than everyone else...was the origional poster asking the difference between buying a pre-ban machine gun vs. a pre ban gun that can be modified with a registered/transerable sear??? that's what it sounded like to me but just thought I would check ;) sure it's still class III but I think he was refering to price differences between a factory full auto and something with a drop-in???

[dsgb610]

I was simply asking if there was a gun that was sold with a selectfire/3shot 2shot mechanism if so how much are they? and do they fall in the machine gun cat. when dealing with the BATF? How much is a select fire gun vs. full-auto?

[dsgb610]

I was simply asking if there was a gun that was sold with a selectfire/3shot 2shot mechanism if so how much are they? and do they fall in the machine gun cat. when dealing with the BATF? How much is a select fire gun vs. full-auto?

[boofus]

Select fire means you can pick the firing mode of choice. Full autos are select fire too, you can select Safe-Semi-Auto.

By definition if it has a firing mode that shoots more than 1 round with a single function of the trigger it is a MG.

Doesn't matter if it shoots 2, 3, 30 or 100, as long as it only takes 1 trigger function to activate that number of shots it is a MG.

You can buy a Ruger AC556 or FN FNC for around $6000-7500, they typically come with 3rd burst and full auto settings.

[tweakmeister]

Originally posted by Lior
It's legal as long as it has 3 triggers.

You might be on to something there... :cool:

now if I could only grow a couple more arms...

[Lior]

All it needs is three staggered triggers arranged so that one long squeeze will activate all three of them.

Think of a legal semiauto sear that is activated three times by three different triggers, but each trigger must be released before the same trigger can activate the sear again.

The first, most forward trigger, would be the middle one. Setting the safety to semi would disengage the left and right triggers, whereas the burst setting would engage them.

This schematic diagram of an AR-15, trigger guard removed, illustrates the arrangement of the three triggers.

http://img488.imageshack.us/img488/6069/ar15l1tc.jpg

Gun designers, if you develop such a gun, please call it the AR-15L after me. Thanks.

[PromptCritical]

I think you might be on to something here. Hmmm, how to make it work?

[Percival]

Doesn't seem like it'd be too terribly difficult to make, aside from the whole manufacturing a reciever thing...now if you could make the hammers a ductile (moreso than pure) tungsten alloy, and thinner, so as to drop with the same force while takingup less space... A system to retard the dropping of the other hammers while the bolt is not in battery would be necessary as well. I'm thinking the AR 15 here...decent sized striking area on the firing pin...To make a drop in conversion could be a real money maker. The question now becomes, is there something I missed legality wise? If not, how soon till they figure out how to make them illegal?

[PromptCritical]

You know, if you had three parallel sears all on the same hammer, but each connected to a different trigger, that might work also. The trick would be that each one trips after the bolt is in full battery, but an AR has a pretty short lock-time so it shouldn't be to much of a problem.

Load, charge.
Pull first trigger.
Bang! extract, eject, strip, feed, chamber
continue pulling to second trigger
bang! extract, eject strip, feed, chamber
continue pulling to third trigger
bang! extract, ejact, strip, feed, chamber
release triggers
repeat

Theoretically, it should take one smooth motion to activate all three triggers in sequence.

Should be legal, since the law implies a single trigger for each shot.

ETA: Methinks this would not need a new receiver (were talking AR here). Three staggered triggers totalling the same width as a standard trigger, or a slight widening of the slot the trigger fits through. The real trick is the fabrication of parts for the fire control group. If it can be designed such that the safety selector can be arranged to block the last two triggers for standard "semi" operation, so much the better.