unregistered heirloom MGs

[hawserdr]

Hypothetical question:
What can one do if Grandpa passes on and unregistered MGs are discovered in the attic? Can they be registered and the tax stamp paid? The hypothetical weapons in question would be a PM Beretta Model 12S and a Sterling Mk4.
Thanks for the help.

[Cicero]

Originally posted by hawserdr
Hypothetical question:
What can one do if Grandpa passes on and unregistered MGs are discovered in the attic? Can they be registered and the tax stamp paid? The hypothetical weapons in question would be a PM Beretta Model 12S and a Sterling Mk4.
Thanks for the help.

You really need to ask this question to a lawyer, who will be able to keep the conversation privileged. A good lawyer may also be able to negotiate a solution with BATF. Unless there's a FAQ on their website for "I found a bunch of unregistered Class IIIs in my attic, how do I register them?" the best chance of keeping them - if it's even possible - is to show the agency you are not just an unsophisticated schmo.

[rkba_net]

Originally posted by Cicero
You really need to ask this question to a lawyer, who will be able to keep the conversation privileged. A good lawyer may also be able to negotiate a solution with BATF. Unless there's a FAQ on their website for "I found a bunch of unregistered Class IIIs in my attic, how do I register them?" the best chance of keeping them - if it's even possible - is to show the agency you are not just an unsophisticated schmo.

These weapons cannot be registered by individuals... they can ONLY be registered by PD's and State sponsored museums... If you cannot find one that is willing to register them (NOTE they will NOT be transferable to individuals) you only other option is to turn them over to the BATFE... actually they are pretty good about this and they will explain to you how to cut the reciever so you can keep the parts...

[hawserdr]

Thanks Cicero. I've heard of people going through trunks for estate sales and finding WWII grenades, and old firearms. I am a relatively unsophisticated schmo, but I wouldn't want the BATF to think that. If the question was anything but hypothetical I'd definitely take your advice and contact a lawyer.
The subject came up when I was talking to a friend who is starting up an auction business. He asked me what you could do in a situation like that to keep from having to destroy the firearms. I've never had to deal with that problem, so I didn't know, so I posed the question here.
With the value of MG's today, the companies percentage fee would be well worth finding an answer to the question. I don't have too much contact with said friend, but I'm curious now for curiosities sake.

[hawserdr]

Originally posted by rkba_net
These weapons cannot be registered by individuals... they can ONLY be registered by PD's and State sponsored museums... If you cannot find one that is willing to register them (NOTE they will NOT be transferable to individuals) you only other option is to turn them over to the BATFE... actually they are pretty good about this and they will explain to you how to cut the reciever so you can keep the parts...

Thanks, this was the perfect reply and answers my question. But, is it pretty much like that for any restricted weapon found? Thanks again!

[r2kba]

Originally posted by hawserdr
Hypothetical question:
What can one do if Grandpa passes on and unregistered MGs are discovered in the attic? Can they be registered and the tax stamp paid? The hypothetical weapons in question would be a PM Beretta Model 12S and a Sterling Mk4.
Thanks for the help.

Short answer, Nothing. Strip the receiver, and destroy 'em. My guess is, even if they go to a museum, they still have to make them inoperable, but I'm not a museum expert. I just can't see the ATF letting even for display purpopses, a MACHINE GUN sitting around in functional form.... Yanno how they are.;Q ;Q

[Lester Long]

Originally posted by r2kba
Short answer, Nothing. Strip the receiver, and destroy 'em. My guess is, even if they go to a museum, they still have to make them inoperable, but I'm not a museum expert. I just can't see the ATF letting even for display purpopses, a MACHINE GUN sitting around in functional form.... Yanno how they are.;Q ;Q Why are so you compelled to answer questions that have already been answered? Are you just so narcissistic that you LOVE to see your own words posted? Or are you just that starved for attention that you can't help yourself? ;g

On top of that -- as USUAL -- you also posted blatantly WRONG information. Do us ALL a favor and just don't post unless you either:
Have something pertinent to add to the discussion. (Look up "pertinent," Junior.)

Have something correct to share with everyone.
Savvy?


For the original poster, see the answer provided by rkba_net. His is CORRECT and LEGAL.

[RenegadeGlocker]

Originally posted by hawserdr
Thanks, this was the perfect reply and answers my question.

If you consider an incorrect reply perfect, then I guess ignorance is bliss. Contrary to popular belief, illegal & unregistered MGs have been allowed to be registered, even after 1986. This is a FACT.

You need to contact a lawyer and see if these weapons can qualify. It is a 1 in a million shot this many years later, but there is precedent. Also, you need to verify they are not already registered and you just do not know about it. A lawyer can handle this.

[boofus]

They're contraband. Maybe a PD or museum will want them. Or you can cut up the receiver and sell the rest.

[Lester Long]

Originally posted by RenegadeGlocker
If you consider an incorrect reply perfect, then I guess ignorance is bliss. Contrary to popular belief, illegal & unregistered MGs have been allowed to be registered, even after 1986. This is a FACT.

You need to contact a lawyer and see if these weapons can qualify. It is a 1 in a million shot this many years later, but there is precedent.If it's a 1-in-a-million shot, then the answer is what, 99.99999% correct? ;g Last time I checked, those were pretty good odds. For being correct, that is.

[ReAX222]

It's been a while sence I have read the NFA/FOPA, but I think I remember something about corporations having more abilities when reguistering class3 weapons. If nothing else, if you get a class 3 manufactures license, I think reguistering is quite simple. Like I said, it has been a while and I am remembing impressions. Read the NFA and FOPA of 86, consult a lawyer.

[UZIFORME]

I have always wondered when when people don't know what they are talking about, they feel the need to blah blah blah give thier opinion anyway, rather than sit back and listen for the correct answer.

Anyway, unregistered NFA firearms can be registered by police on form 10, or goto a government approved museum, they can remain live.

C3 dealers can not/ever posses them, C2 manuf. can not register/ever posses them. C2 manuf. can only register things they made. They can not register guns they found.

Best action is to strip the receivers to a kit, turn the receivers over to your trustworthy local police dept. and then contact the ATF to see if these guns might actually have been legally registered or legal because you can document that a superior officer authorized your relative to being back the gun as a war trophy, but your relative did not understand registering also with ATF. These cases have been won.

The dumbest people of all are the paranoids so feared of the guvment that they would rather torch a $40,000 legal MG42 than ask the ATF if it might be legal.

[rkba_net]

Originally posted by ReAX222
It's been a while sence I have read the NFA/FOPA, but I think I remember something about corporations having more abilities when reguistering class3 weapons. If nothing else, if you get a class 3 manufactures license, I think reguistering is quite simple. Like I said, it has been a while and I am remembing impressions. Read the NFA and FOPA of 86, consult a lawyer.

The weapons(S) CANNOT be registered by a manufacturer... they didn't manufacture them...

[jlw_84]

These answers were already given to you when you posted on ARFCOM.

[rsilvers]

A Beretta 12S is a fairly modern subgun around MP5 vintage. Not what I think of as an Heirloom. I just bought a new 12S.

[hawserdr]

thanks for all the replies. I was only curious about it. On the Beretta model I stated, I don't know when they started and stopped manufacturing. I just picked a model that I had seen before that I thought wasn't completely illegal to have. I just picked some older MG's' as examples. I don't know much about the subject which was why I asked. Thanks again for taking the time to educate me about the BATF manuals. If the situation ever comes up, I know I now have a good place to start looking for information.

[Lester Long]

Originally posted by hawserdr
If the situation ever comes up, I know I now have a good place to start looking for information.Subguns (http://www.subguns.com) is a MUCH better source than this board. A few of these turds -- like r2kba -- don't get a voice over there.

[hawserdr]

I wanted to let everyone know that my thread was not intended to start any ruckus. I was just asking a question and thought that using a specific example of a weapon would help make the question clearer than using generalities.
I did not intend to start any arguments nor do I wish to propogate any turf wars. I have been a member of this board for quite a while, and while I am not even a minor contributor, I enjoy the different forums and information that I can get here.
I appreciate everyones input on a hypothetical situation and I apologize for any confusion or concern raised.

[Lester Long]

Originally posted by hawserdr
I wanted to let everyone know that my thread was not intended to start any ruckus. I was just asking a question and thought that using a specific example of a weapon would help make the question clearer than using generalities.
I did not intend to start any arguments nor do I wish to propogate any turf wars. I have been a member of this board for quite a while, and while I am not even a minor contributor, I enjoy the different forums and information that I can get here.
I appreciate everyones input on a hypothetical situation and I apologize for any confusion or concern raised.This board is mostly a Tom & Jerry show, especially where NFA weapons are concerned. Not many people who're familiar with NFA take it seriously; too many kids and too many idiots.

If you want good information, go to Subguns (http://www.subguns.com). Because it ain't here.

[Ninja Monkey]

Originally posted by Lester Long
Not many people who're familiar with NFA take it seriously; too many kids and too many idiots.

So which are you, a kid or an idiot? Inquring minds want to know.

[Lester Long]

Originally posted by Ninja Monkey
So which are you, a kid or an idiot? Inquring minds want to know. Don't get pissed off because no one tolerates you and r2kba on Subguns.

[Ninja Monkey]

Well, I use a different handle here on Glocktalk than Subguns, so I don't see how you could claim that "no one tolerates me" there. But then, you talking out of your ass is nothing new.

Also, way to avoid answering the question.

[Lester Long]

Originally posted by Ninja Monkey
Well, I use a different handle here on Glocktalk than Subguns, so I don't see how you could claim that "no one tolerates me" there. But then, you talking out of your ass is nothing new.

Also, way to avoid answering the question.No, I didn't avoid anything.

Crap answers and talking out of your ass -- subjects with which you appear to be intimately familiar -- just aren't tolerated over there. That's just a simple statement of fact.

Take a look at the threads in this forum. How in the holy hell could ANYONE ever consider this a serious source of information?

What's the average age of the posters in this forum? Somewhere south of 30? You figured out a way to scrape together $3K or so for a MAC 11, so now you're an instant NFA expert? Don't make me laugh.

Nobody -- and I mean NOBODY -- considers this forum a viable source of information on NFA weapons.

There are no major manufacturers or dealers who participate or even have an interest in the activities here. NONE.

The few S.O.T.s who post here just do it to kill a little time. If they want a serious answer to a serious question or want to transact some business, they don't do it here.

If you posted even a tenth of the ignorant nonsense over on Subguns that you post here, you'd have your ass banned quicker than you could say "I-S-P."

That's just a simple statement of fact.

[Ninja Monkey]

If GT is such a terrible place to visit, why do you keep coming back? To lord your self-proclaimed superiority over everyone? Apparently, you can't realize that even if your opinion was true, no one here cares what you think.

Bowers has very knowledgable people that post there, but they don't have a monopoly. They have their share of newbies, idiots and trolls, just like here.

And you still haven't answered my question as to whether you're a kid or an idiot.

[Lester Long]

Originally posted by Ninja Monkey
If GT is such a terrible place to visit, why do you keep coming back? To lord your self-proclaimed superiority over everyone?Yeah, mostly.

Originally posted by Ninja Monkey
Apparently, you can't realize that even if your opinion was true, no one here cares what you think.Oh, it's true. You're just too afraid to admit it. Take a look around here. This forum is nothing more than a cyber wasteland. You're only half an IQ point removed from Beavis & Butthead (though I think they're probably a little more responsible, even if they are fictional).

Originally posted by Ninja Monkey
Bowers has very knowledgable people that post there, but they don't have a monopoly.Uh, yeah they do.

Originally posted by Ninja Monkey
They have their share of newbies, idiots and trolls, just like here.No, not really. Which is why you don't post over there.

Originally posted by Ninja Monkey
And you still haven't answered my question as to whether you're a kid or an idiot.Obviously I'm far removed from people of your ilk.

Look, don't play sour grapes because I pointed out the obvious. You know damned well and good what I posted is true. Subguns won't tolerate your brand of BS, but here you can post whatever in the hell you want. The other kids don't care.

[ColGlock]

Ninja Monkey,
Stop feeding the troll. Why the heck he is still here is a marvel in and of itself. I have yet to see anything constructive posted by it.

[r2kba]

Originally posted by Ninja Monkey


And you still haven't answered my question as to whether you're a kid or an idiot.



He/she/it is not going to answer. It's like talking to a democrat.


It's amazing how effective the IGNORE button is.

[MrMurphy]

Gentlemen/women/Klingons/beings........ return to productive discussion and avoid flaming, or this thread will be locked.

[Ninja Monkey]

What can I say, I was bored. ;f

I'll end the "discussion" per Mr. Murphy's request.

[Lester Long]

Originally posted by r2kba
It's amazing how effective the IGNORE button is.It only works when you're signed in to the board. It's amazing when you think about the folly of your actions.

So why don't you post over on Subguns?

Why do you curtail your posts on AR15.com's full-auto section so much?

[MrMurphy]

Obviously,some people can't follow directions when asked nicely.