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BobRicks
11-17-2005, 11:26
I am kicking around the idea of setting up a laptop with linux to try and learn about it, and have no idea where to start.

Could someone please set me straight on this issue? Do I just download a version of linux and do an install or what? Also, is there a GUI version of linux that would be easy for someone like me who has never tried linux?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Bob

got_the_bug
11-17-2005, 13:48
Hi Bob...

Yes, pick a Linux distribution of your choice, download the ISO images, burn CDs, and install by booting from the CDs. Are you planning to run Windows XP and Linux on the same laptop, or dedicate the entire laptop to Linux? If both operating systems are going to share the same disk, you'll want to install Windows XP first, and Linux later. There are ways of modifying existing partitions if you already have a single partition and XP installed, or, you can simply reformat and create new partitions (assuming we are talking about a single hard drive).

As far as GUIs go, you can usually choose whichever interface (GUI or text) you prefer to start in. Either way, it is easy to get from one to the other, assuming the correct packages are installed.

Here's a link to the Fedora ISOs...

http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/4/i386/iso/

I'd recommend sticking with one of the main distributions (Fedora, Mandrake, etc.), as chances are they will have more driver support for whatever hardware is in your laptop.

P.S. The only ISOs you'd need from the link above are the disk1, 2, 3, and 4

indigent
11-17-2005, 13:55
There are a few Linux threads here. If you have specific questions PM member "Washington D.C." he is a wealth of information.

saber41
11-17-2005, 21:33
You might want to start with one of the many "live" distributions of linux. These run off of a cd so there is nothing to partition or install.
This way you will get to try linux without installing anything on your system (until you are ready...:) )

some live distros to try are:
knoppix
slax
pclinuxos
mepis

Washington,D.C.
11-18-2005, 07:16
Bob,after you try those two small CD's I told about you can try a full freatured Linux.The fastest most efficient is this one but doesn't work in all PC's or laptops.


It's big download 575Mb and it's a zip file.It must be unzipped then the CD iso image can be burned to CD(unzips to almost 700MB).It's a live CD with an installer.It's all English except the installer which is in Portugese.It's fairly automatic but not being able to read Portugese makes being familar with Linux installers helpful.Download it and keep it as it's one of the best Linux ever and will always come in handy.It's no longer supported and the server is not always working so get it while you can.Here it is,


ftp://litrix.codigolivre.org.br/pub/litrix/litrix-EX.iso.zip

IDtheTarget
11-18-2005, 07:34
I personally would stay away from Fedora. It's pretty much a cutting-edge testing ground for RedHat, and I've seen several occasions where updates broke things that were working.

The two distros I use almost exclusively are:
knoppix (http://www.knoppix.org) which was mentioned earlier. It is a "live CD", which means that you just boot from the CD and you have linux available. It's based off of Debian and is stable, and you don't have to change anything on your laptop in order to use it.

The other is CentOS (http://www.centos.org), which is a re-compile of RedHat Enterprise Linux. What with the problems that Novell is currently having, RedHat is arguably the front-runner as far as enterprise linux goes. CentOS takes their source code, removes the trademark stuff, then re-compiles it. (Yes, it's legal, no it's not piracy. :) )

I've run CentOS on a laptop very successfully, and currently run my home server with it as well.

If you decide to go with it and need help, just let me know.

Washington,D.C.
11-18-2005, 07:45
Bob's laptop is a Pentium II with 128MB of RAM so have to consider the size of everything.The iso I mentioned is the only one I've tried that has a full KDE desktop,Open Office and Java and still runs at a decent speed on older slower PC's with a min of RAM.It doesn't have drivers for really new motherboards and it doesn't always boot on older PC's and it doesn't alwats reconize certain hard drives,but when it does,it's the absolute fastest full desktop Linux I've used.

IDtheTarget
11-18-2005, 09:15
Good point, my laptop was pretty beefy. :)

saber41
11-18-2005, 15:54
Originally posted by IDtheTarget
I've run CentOS on a laptop very successfully, and currently run my home server with it as well.
IDtheTarget,

just curious...
are there any apt/yum repos for CentOS or do you do updates exclusively through the Red Hat Network ??

IndyGunFreak
11-18-2005, 16:14
Originally posted by IDtheTarget
I personally would stay away from Fedora. It's pretty much a cutting-edge testing ground for RedHat, and I've seen several occasions where updates broke things that were working.

The two distros I use almost exclusively are:
knoppix (http://www.knoppix.org) which was mentioned earlier. It is a "live CD", which means that you just boot from the CD and you have linux available. It's based off of Debian and is stable, and you don't have to change anything on your laptop in order to use it.

The other is CentOS (http://www.centos.org), which is a re-compile of RedHat Enterprise Linux. What with the problems that Novell is currently having, RedHat is arguably the front-runner as far as enterprise linux goes. CentOS takes their source code, removes the trademark stuff, then re-compiles it. (Yes, it's legal, no it's not piracy. :) )

I've run CentOS on a laptop very successfully, and currently run my home server with it as well.

If you decide to go with it and need help, just let me know.


Anywhere you can get instructions in English?

IGF

Washington,D.C.
11-18-2005, 16:18
I believe Redhat only allows access to the SRPM's not the binary RPM's.That's just source I think CentOS converts them to useable RPM's.I seem to remember this with White Box Linux.

CentOS download page here,

http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=13

IDtheTarget
11-18-2005, 16:54
Originally posted by saber41
IDtheTarget,

just curious...
are there any apt/yum repos for CentOS or do you do updates exclusively through the Red Hat Network ??

Yeah, CentOS 4 comes pre-configured with yum repos. All ya gotta do is yum -y update every so often (or in a cron job) and you're golden.

The best (IMHO) yum repo with a bunch of RHEL/CentOS stuff is Dag Wieer's repo. Look here for directions: http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/apt/FAQ.php#B

scroll down to the yum section.

Anything that's RedHat is compatible with CentOS. They're the same distro, just that CentOS has taken the source and re-compiled it.

prism
11-18-2005, 17:34
here is some info on two small linux choices. they might be good choices for older PC systems. you can burn a live cd, or buy one.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damn_Small_Linux

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppy_Linux

saber41
11-19-2005, 09:37
Originally posted by IDtheTarget
Yeah, CentOS 4 comes pre-configured with yum repos. All ya gotta do is yum -y update every so often (or in a cron job) and you're golden.

Thanks for the info !!

Washington,D.C.
11-19-2005, 18:49
Here's a couple of smallish ones with maybe better video and laptop support.


http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/benix/BENIX-KANOTIX-2005-02.1.iso




http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/cpx-mini/CPX-MINI-2005-04-4/KANOTIX-2005-04-CPX-MINI-4.iso

Washington,D.C.
11-20-2005, 18:34
Kanotix just gor better but this is a fairly large version.It's very easy to try it though.


http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/kanotix/preview/KANOTIX-2005-04-LITE-RC17.iso

Washington,D.C.
11-20-2005, 18:39
Here's a small simple Linux that may work.

http://download.watsky.net/BeatrIX_2005.1F.iso

Washington,D.C.
11-22-2005, 10:11
Here are some of the easiest to install.

Mepis

ftp://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/linux/distributions/mepis/SimplyMEPIS_3.4-1.rc1.iso


PCLinuxOS


ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/metalab/distributions/texstar/pclinuxos/live-cd/english/preview/pclinuxos-p92.iso


Kanotix

http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/kanotix/preview/KANOTIX-2005-04-LITE-RC17.iso

Knoppix

ftp://ftp.uni-kl.de/pub/linux/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V4.0.2CD-2005-09-23-EN.iso


Damn Small Linux

ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/dsl-2.0.iso


CPX-Mini

http://debian.tu-bs.de/project/cpx-mini/CPX-MINI-2005-04-4/KANOTIX-2005-04-CPX-MINI-4.iso


CPX-Mini is one of my favorite if it works on your hardware it's small but fairly complete.