Lasermax problem

[Anthony k]

i have emailed them but looking for faster answers. i have a G23 when installed ( 4x now just to be sure )the laser will not go off no matter where the switch is. directions say to rack a few x to seat and now a piece of the battery cover is broken off, and yes i made SURE that it was seated in the barrel. any ideas?

[ShootNMove]

I have a LaserMax in my G29 and I shoot hot 10mm loads all the time with no problem. The only thing I can think of is that your battery cap is out of spec. Just get a new one.

[RayB]

I'm thinking SNM is right...

Do you have the little "fin" thingy on the cap, pointed up towards the barrel?

Just for the asking, how is the beam alignment with the sights?

--Ray

[Anthony k]

yeah the tab is good, alingment is off bout 2in, lasermax is sending my a new cap FOC

[RayB]

Hi, again!

And there it is...

No way should there be that kind of misalignment... That's the whole point of the product!

For what they charge, they could take better care! Anyway, there's a black mark for LaserMax.

Let us know how prompt the solution was.

I hate to be a hard ass, but these products should be a cut above the usual consumer items, when it comes to quality control--like my "empty" MagSafe ammo! I think this is a reasonable position to take.

--Ray

[DANO99]

I have 2 LaserMax on my carry guns. I have had some small issues with the battery cap. I replace them every year or about 1000 rounds. i am shooting 9mm and .40 S&W but 10mm has a stronger recoil.

[RayB]

Once in 159 rounds with my G-21 today, my LaserMax turned itself on; and I simply turned it off. That's one small glitch in some 1200 +/-rounds with a .45 ACP, year to date.

I've considered that I'd put 2500 rounds through the gun to test the product, then pop in the usual rod/spring assembly for practice sessions, to spare any unnecessary wear. This should be doable leaving the stiffer LaserMax slide release lever spring in place. I'd then pop the laser back in after cleaning the gun...

Any thoughts on that?

--Ray

[Robert302]

Remember the lasermax will be 2 inches too low for upclose shooting. The laser dot will line up perfectly with the sights at around 25 yards.

[Anthony k]

mine is 2" to the left

[ShootNMove]

To address the accuracy issue:

The LaserMax book says your dot will be within 3" at 20 yds. Plus, if you don't want to turn on your laser while target shooting, put your stock recoil assembly back in.

Think about the real application of a laser on a handgun. It's NOT meant to get you 1/2 MOA groups or anything like that. It is meant to allow you to engage a target without having to look through the sights. We all know the 'standard' CCW engagement range is about 21 ft or somewhere about that. You're probably taught to aim for center mass. In this situation, you'll be able to put a bright red blinking dot on the BG's chest, and keep your eyes looking around, being vigilant. If worse comes to worse, you'll be able to put your rounds within less than 3" of that dot.

LaserMax is the wrong laser sight for you if you want to pop dimes at long distance. How could you understand the way a bullet flies and expect the laser dot to be right on your POI at distance? Your expectations are ridiculous.

To address the battery cap issue:

They should definitely replace it free of charge if it was defective. It is an expendable part that they know wears out. So if it wears out, you have to buy another one.

[Robert302]

How is your dot's shape?

At 15+ feet I see my laser dot as a vertical line, about 1 inch long. If I point it on a big tree over 50 yards away, it looks like a vertical line an estimated 7-12 inches long.

I just thinking is it designed this way or is this a screw up?

[Anthony k]

good spot with a field around it

shootnmove i wasnt comlpaining, just giving a description of where its at

[RayB]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ShootNMove
[B]...LaserMax is the wrong laser sight for you if you want to pop dimes at long distance. How could you understand the way a bullet flies and expect the laser dot to be right on your POI at distance? Your expectations are ridiculous.

I don't know where that came from... I get no such premise from this thread...

Anyway, by it's nature the laser beam is coherent and straight, proportionate to its output in wattage. Conversely, the bullet begins an arc proportionate to its mass, profile, and energy--and the length of the barrel of the firearm. So the latter part is strongly contingent upon the weapon one is using.

In my G-21, the beam, or dot, appears consistently below the impact site, out to "about" 25-yards, indoors. Certainly good enough to ruin a BG's day.

But a vertical line! Even grime on the lens wouldn't to that! That's an internal focussing issue, and along with the misalignment in azimuth, a clear defect!

The LaserMax described here is messed up, and a complete replacement is in order.

--Ray

[ShootNMove]

Originally posted by RayB

No way should there be that kind of misalignment... That's the whole point of the product!

For what they charge, they could take better care! Anyway, there's a black mark for LaserMax.



^ This is what I was talking about being ridiculous. It seems to me like Anthony K is saying his dot lines up about 2" off the sights at 25 yds. Is that what you're saying? If so, then it is within factory specs. If not, please explain exactly what you mean. My dot also turns into a vertical line at distance. I think Anthony K's LaserMax is fine, it just needs a new battery cap. If they replace it FOC like he said, that's awesome. Just realize it probably won't be the last time you replace it.

Originally posted by RayB

Anyway, by it's nature the laser beam is coherent and straight, proportionate to its output in wattage. Conversely, the bullet begins an arc proportionate to its mass, profile, and energy--and the length of the barrel of the firearm. So the latter part is strongly contingent upon the weapon one is using.


So what you're saying is that a laser is straight and a bullet drops further as it travels further? I assumed we all knew that when I made the comment about the way a bullet flies. Thanks for clearing that up for us. Your high school English and science teachers would be proud...

[Anthony k]

i just gave what mine is producing, cant wait to get to the range;I i just hope this was the problem. i changed the takedown spring but it looked just like the factory one, wqhat is the difference in them?

[ShootNMove]

It's dimpled so that you can push your slide lock to either side.

[RayB]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ShootNMove

So what you're saying is that a laser is straight and a bullet drops further as it travels further? I assumed we all knew that when I made the comment about the way a bullet flies. Thanks for clearing that up for us. Your high school English and science teachers would be proud...

No. What I was saying is that a pistol with a longer barrel, may place the bullet closer to the projected dot, at a given range, than a compact model with a shorter barrel does. I honestly don't know if the LaserMax manual varies by model...

There seems to be a defusing lens within the unit, to widen the beam a bit, because what I see on the wall is sort of a compound beam, making up the pulsing dot.

At any rate, I get nothing like a vertical line, even out as far as 100-yards. At this distance, the coherency of the beam degrades and the "dot" is quite large--more of a splotch, but still circular.

I wonder if the longer laser units have a longer focus?

--Ray

[Robert302]

Crap.. I guess I better email customer service about my vertical line..

[GLOCK22SHOOTER]

Originally posted by Anthony k
i just gave what mine is producing, cant wait to get to the range;I i just hope this was the problem. i changed the takedown spring but it looked just like the factory one, wqhat is the difference in them?


The difference between the two is....The stock spring has no little tabs on the top that makes contact with the slide lock lever.On the LMAX spring there is a smooth end and a end with little raised dimples.Install it with the smooth side down in the slide and the end with the dimples should face up right underneath the slide lock lever.The lever should be installed with the red dots facing the shooter.If you follow the directions correctly there is no reason it shouldnt work unless you have the wrong one for your glock.

[Anthony k]

problem solved, the brass contact on the cap stuck out too far,causing the light to not go off, new cap and i'm good to go.

THANK YOU LASERMAX!

[RayB]

Glad to know you're up and running!

--Ray

P.S. That brass contact is "gold". And for these prices, it should be! :)