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shotokan99
12-15-2005, 18:39
guys ur input pls

Froggy_131
12-15-2005, 18:47
It's not a downgrade if you are replacing a local 1911 with an imported revolver. ;f

shotokan99
12-15-2005, 18:54
im thinking about taurus, a bit cheaper. what u guys think?

will i go for 38,mag 22, or 357?

vega
12-15-2005, 18:55
22mag is a waste of money, IMO.
Get the 357, you can shoot 38spl with it.
You're thinking of 4 inch barrel right?

pm sent.

vega

darwin25
12-15-2005, 19:40
Originally posted by vega
22mag is a waste of money, IMO.
Get the 357, you can shoot 38spl with it.
You're thinking of 4 inch barrel right?

pm sent.

vega

Hey, dont you have a single action .22 mag? I thought I saw a picture of it that you posted. Any bad experience with it? I had none with mine. BTW mine is a 3 1/2 inch barreled S&W M51 backed up by 2 HKS speedloaders. I was thinking of converting it to 2 inch for concealed carry so I wouldn't have to buy a new snubbie. Kaya lang naghinayang ako kasi its my most useful gun. I shoot it more often tha any other gun that I own.

shotokan99: Downgrade. Nah. Only if you take the paltik route. by all means if you feel you'll be more comfortable with a revolver. Im a revolver man myself. I owned or was issued at one time or another a S&W Model 10, Colt Detective Special, Colt Phyton, a couple of snubbies, a NAA mini revolver. Now I only have my .22 magnum. Its just recently that went to pistols. But still a revolver man in my heart. Which makes me think again. Ayaw pa kasi ibenta sa kin ng isang fellow BOG yung Colt Detective Special nya e. Tagal ko na inaawitan sa kanya yun e.;f

vega
12-15-2005, 19:48
Yes I do have a SA 22LR with extra cylinder for 22MAG. I think Shotokan wants a revo for carry, based on his other thread. What I meant, if he buys 22Mag now, he will crave for a higher caliber in the future. I'm just doing the shortcut for him.

vega

darwin25
12-15-2005, 19:51
Originally posted by vega
Yes I do have a SA 22LR with extra cylinder for 22MAG. I think Shotokan wants a revo for carry, based on his other thread. What I meant, if he buys 22Mag now, he will crave for a higher caliber in the future. I'm just doing the shortcut for him.

vega

I agree. Go with serious defensive calibers first. Fun guns and small calibers should follow later

New_comer
12-15-2005, 19:58
Originally posted by shotokan99
i got a 1911 want to shift to 38 revolver...can u consider this as downgrade?

guys ur input pls Nope.

I'd call that a change in taste...

Like changing from filter to menthol cigarretes,
choco to coffee,
rice to bread...

Yours is from SA to DA,
semi to revo
complex to basic.

But you're still a pistolero; and pistoleros carry the 357 and practice often with the 38spl ;)

shotokan99
12-15-2005, 20:00
yes, i need something to be my daily carry? is 38 load +p enough na or i really need to go for 357? kaya lang most snubs 5 rds lang..dont u guys feel its too few?

New_comer
12-15-2005, 20:21
Originally posted by shotokan99
yes, i need something to be my daily carry? is 38 load +p enough na or i really need to go for 357? kaya lang most snubs 5 rds lang..dont u guys feel its too few? 38spl +p is a good defensive round in the better brands. Try to look for Remington, Winchester and Speer as your carry ammo. But most of all, nothing beats practicing a lot with your snubby, to the point that you could critically hit a target from 7 yards out, one or two handed from the draw in a blink of an eye. That's how fast you need to be to maintain the element of surprise should you ever need to draw it out.

Having only five rounds makes it important for you to hit accurately in a shot or two. If you can't do that against a determined attacker charging towards you, you're history, and the extra 14 rounds in the mag won't count for anything when you're already down and out. ;)

shotokan99
12-15-2005, 20:28
guys here in phils..wat do i need to process/prepare in order for me to carry my snub legally

darwin25
12-15-2005, 22:20
Originally posted by shotokan99
guys here in phils..wat do i need to process/prepare in order for me to carry my snub legally

P12,000.00. for PTC. I think most gunstores will assist you with this. Im not sure if the price still stands. Mas mahal pa PTC mo kesa sa baril if you want to carry armscor revolver. Why bother? The government can cancel it anytime if they feel the need to do grandstanding and posturing. It not worth paying this government for priviledges just so they can screw us out of our hard-earned money anytime they want. Hindi naman nila ibabalik yung pera mo kung mabigyan ka ng PTC ngayon at i-cancel nila bukas. Pagkuha nga lang ng sukli sa binayaran mo pahirapan pa e.

shotokan99
12-15-2005, 22:25
how much the running price now of 38 2" snub shall we say from taurus? which is more cheaper..ruger or taurus? i cut off s&w from my list..expensive.

darwin25
12-15-2005, 22:33
P16,000.00 + licenses and processing of requirements. All in all about P22,000.00.

isuzu
12-15-2005, 22:40
If you're totally comfortable with a revolver, I don't see it as a downgrade.

theTactician
12-15-2005, 23:55
well, i dont think its a downgrade coz for me semi-automatic pistols and revolvers are of different categories. If you dont like pistols anymore, then go ahead and try the revolvers.

Yes, Taurus would be nice. Get the .357 magnum tracker. astig.

horge
12-16-2005, 00:09
^8
Akala ko ba P9,800 na lang ngayon ang alok ng PTCFOR?
'Appearance' processing 'yan.

Vault Keeper
12-16-2005, 01:50
Originally posted by shotokan99
yes, i need something to be my daily carry? is 38 load +p enough na or i really need to go for 357? kaya lang most snubs 5 rds lang..dont u guys feel its too few?

Most gun fights (in my readings) wont last more than 5 shots...unless mag ala Jaworski kalaban mo at ratratin ka ng m16...;f

If your serious with revolvers, go for S&W, tried and tested na yan! I have a model 64 snubbie and walang kapalag-palag!



Though its a bit bulky for my size...

S&W model 64 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v495/myuching/000_0123.jpg)

Valor1
12-16-2005, 01:55
If you are going the revolver route, buy the better ones made by Colt, S&W, Ruger, Manurhin, Korth etc. The Taurus is good but it is a hit and miss. Resale value is also lower on the Tauri. If you are inspired by the revolvers, go research on Jerry Miculek.:)

PMMA97
12-16-2005, 04:00
Originally posted by horge
^8
Akala ko ba P9,800 na lang ngayon ang alok ng PTCFOR?
'Appearance' processing 'yan.

Last time I was in FED ( which was only a day after you were there } the PTC "fee" was at 9T petots with appearance. But after a day or two I got a call from Bell Firearms formerly Ultra Systems and they informed me that they could assist me in acquiring a PTC for my CZ75B which I got from them for only 16T with only a 1x1 picture as requirement. Pwede pa daw hulugan up to a year to pay ;f

cebuboy
12-16-2005, 04:16
check out the ruger sp101, nice tough little wheelgun.

New_comer
12-16-2005, 06:35
The most beautiful mini 357mag I ever saw was the s/s Ladysmith 5 shooter, 3" with rosewood grips at Stronghand. Haven't seen it in a while though...

Django
12-16-2005, 07:17
Originally posted by cebuboy
check out the ruger sp101, nice tough little wheelgun.

Had one. Nice, yes. Tough, nope.

vega
12-16-2005, 15:57
If you're really decided with the revo get at least 3" barrel.

vega

horge
12-16-2005, 16:21
Originally posted by PMMA97
...after a day or two I got a call from Bell Firearms formerly Ultra Systems...

PMMA97,
Can you post the shop location/details on the Gun Store Directory thread, so I can update the list? Thanks

kcboy
12-16-2005, 17:16
shotokan99,
taurus 357 has a 7 round snub nose revolver...

isuzu
12-16-2005, 17:35
Originally posted by cebuboy
check out the ruger sp101, nice tough little wheelgun.

Yup! Private security guards at the US Embassy (Manila) are armed with Rugers.

Django
12-16-2005, 17:52
My experience with Ruger is limited to the SP101 DAO in .357 with a 2 1/4 in. tube. I bought it because of it's reputation for toughness in handling the .357 magnum cartridge. I made the wrong decision in choosing it over the S&W Model 66. It is now a shiny stainless (and useless) paperweight.:(

isuzu
12-16-2005, 20:50
Originally posted by Django
My experience with Ruger is limited to the SP101 DAO in .357 with a 2 1/4 in. tube. I bought it because of it's reputation for toughness in handling the .357 magnum cartridge. I made the wrong decision in choosing it over the S&W Model 66. It is now a shiny stainless (and useless) paperweight.:(

I think the SP101 with 3"+ barrels are okay. Is there an option to change the barrel of your Ruger?

Just checked the Ruger website and they have a 3 1/16" barrel part no. KW00626. Suggested retail is $65.00.

Django
12-16-2005, 22:14
Actually bought the gun from the gunstore who used to distribute Rugers here in the Phils. It was my "carried a lot, shot often" gun because of its size and potent caliber. I occasionally fired it during weekends just to get a hang on its stout recoil and the point of impact of the .357 bullet in a short tube. Used mostly Armscor rounds in .38's and .357's. On its 323 round (I kept tab), the barrel broke off where the thread starts and flew downrange with the bullet!! ;P

I contacted AT, the owner of the gunstore where I bought it. He said no problem, Ruger will replace the barrel without any cost from me as long as I submit the proof of purchase, which was their OR. I immediately submitted it. What I did not know though was that they were no longer the official distributor of Ruger in the Phils. and that their relationship had probably soured. After a couple of months, still no news from him. Continued to call him up, or their main branch and got the usual line that " we've notified Ruger, they're processing it". Finally told him that I am even willing to pay for a replacement barrel and their processing fee as long as my gun is restored to its serviceable state. Got the "yeah,yeah, don't worry we'll work out things for you" stuff from them.

Since it's a barrel replacement and barrels are considered guns in our country, I did not contact Ruger directly anymore since I know that the replacement will be coursed thru the gunstore where I bought the gun and I was already fed up with this guy.

After two years of waiting and no SP101 barrel, I finally gave up and used my SP 101 as an expensive paperweight.:(

isuzu
12-16-2005, 22:25
Maybe an aftermarket barrel is available there in the Philippines. Hope you could find one and get your piece working again.:)

Django
12-17-2005, 04:05
Yeah, me too. ;g

cebuboy
12-17-2005, 18:04
hi Django, sorry to hear that about your sp101. a friend of mine got one and has shot a lot of armscor jsp .357. no problems so far. you mean to say that the barrel broke off???

Django
12-17-2005, 19:56
Yup. Just plain broke off where it joins the frame.:(

Alexii
12-17-2005, 20:57
From what I've read here in GT, Ruger has one of the most outstanding aftermarket services in the US. I often come across raves from Ruger owners how Ruger went the extra mile in solving problems. You may want to let them know what happened to your SP first hand. I'm sure it won't go unheeded.

I hope Ruger finds a competent dealer here in-country. I think their GP-100 and P90 .45ACP are excellent products.

Django
12-18-2005, 05:20
Thanks for the advise, Alexii. will keep that in mind.:)

shotokan99
12-18-2005, 19:55
cebuboy, r u from cebu? wat gunstore in cebu that can assist in getting ptc? how much is the running price now for ruger sp101? if im going to sell my 1911 its armscor gi series, 8 rds..less than 1 yr...how much would be the re-sell value?

cebuboy
12-20-2005, 03:30
hi shotokan99, ya im in cebu. you can get the sp101 in twin pines and they can help you with the ptc. im not sure of the guns price, i think its around 30k and maybe 10k for the ptc. if you like to try the revolver out, i have a buddy who have one. just drop by kamagong gun club during saturday afternoons and look for me (andy) or karlon or doc tyrone. and about the resale value of the armscor, bring it to the range and lets ask the good doctor:)

Punisher_nbi45
01-01-2006, 06:16
I would not consider it a downgrade.

Train to shoot with what you're comfortable with, especially if you are confident in revolvers and they really fit your hand well.

IMHO, it's better to shoot with a six-shot revolver and hit the target than shoot with an 18-shot auto pistol and produce 18 misses.

BTW, Taurus is a good brand and they do have 8-shot .357 revolvers out. They also a have a good looking snub-nose .357 (2" barrel, I think) that makes a great hideout gun.

:)

Putok-Glock
01-03-2006, 03:19
Try a second hand S&W if a brand new is out of your budget. A 2nd hand S&W in good working condition could be equal to or better than a brand new taurus or ruger. If you have the opportunity, test these brands side by side. In my opinion, in revs, trigger quality is very important. The trigger of S&W's is far smoother than the other 2. Also, its trigger/hammer actuation point is much shorter. This translates to faster and more accurate shots.

jasonub
01-03-2006, 04:34
i dont find it as a downgrade.

but when i shoot slowly in some of the stages i compete with lito, he asks what caliber am i using 357 or 44;g

Putok-Glock
01-03-2006, 06:09
Originally posted by jasonub
i dont find it as a downgrade.

but when i shoot slowly in some of the stages i compete with lito, he asks what caliber am i using 357 or 44;g

Mebe your pistol jams every 6 rounds?;f

jasonub
01-03-2006, 19:40
pistol never jams as long as i case guage my ammo;)

By slow i mean, if a 32 round cof he gets in 22 seconds, i get it in 25 seconds. 3 full seconds gone. When he misses, tie lang kami sa hit factor;g

gulo ng sport natin;Q

Putok-Glock
01-03-2006, 22:56
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Putok-Glock
01-03-2006, 23:04
Originally posted by jasonub
pistol never jams as long as i case guage my ammo;)

By slow i mean, if a 32 round cof he gets in 22 seconds, i get it in 25 seconds. 3 full seconds gone. When he misses, tie lang kami sa hit factor;g

gulo ng sport natin;Q

Got what you mean the 1st time I read your previous post. I was just ribbing you:cool: 'coz I know for a fact that you shoot very fast but if ever you decide to shoot slow it will still appear fast to me;f

jasonub
01-04-2006, 05:22
gulo parin ng sport natin;Q