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cznayr
12-16-2005, 00:15
DO you guys have any bad/good experience with their medallion series. They say it's worth it and less upgrades are necessary.

Any reviews? All I've read is a review from a U.S. gun magazine and rated it pretty muck ok. The reviewer said that this gun is for competition with a 3.5 lb. trigger. Siyempre, I want to know the opinions of fellow pinoys.

Vault Keeper
12-16-2005, 01:23
I tried shooting one years back, believe it or not, its comparable to the Colt GC! Its so pleasant to shoot!

For me, thats one pistol Armscor (and us Filipinos) should be proud of!

New_comer
12-16-2005, 02:09
The Medallion's design is very attractive. Particularly the one with the deep blued finish which I really liked.

Unfortunately, it costs just as much as a Peters Stahl hicap, which was what I bought instead. (Umiral yung colonial mentality ko e, though 'Ze Germans' were not PI colonizer...) ;)

cznayr
12-16-2005, 03:06
I was considering it as a replacement for my CZ75B .40S&W ( though the gun is still with me).

Thanks for the info guys.

New comer, would you recommend the Peters Stahl? With the review in the US and Sir Vault's Im considering to purchase it unless convinced otherwise.

:cool:

New_comer
12-16-2005, 07:37
Originally posted by cznayr
...

New comer, would you recommend the Peters Stahl? With the review in the US and Sir Vault's Im considering to purchase it unless convinced otherwise.

:cool: I'm still ambivalent as to the Stahl's performance. Some days it can turn on a dime; others I can't seem to hit a tractor from 10 ft out.

This I know: it prefers lighter bullets. So for competition I use 210 gr which hits an inch to 1-1/2" below POA at 20 yds. It hits way too low with 230 gr FMJ's (7-8"). Though for all its quirks, I feel good holding it; it's well balanced, a bit front heavy given that the dust cover was made thicker to align with the slide's width. It has a polygonal barrel, with the slide's notch tempered to resist impact wear against the slidestop. And I've never experienced a FTF / FTE with it for probably 1000 rds thru it.

Never been to a gunsmith with it, so I guess that's what needs to be done to fine tune its performance, as all 1911's need to have: TLC.

antediluvianist
12-16-2005, 08:23
An Armscor guy once tried to sell me a Medallion. Well, they sure look good. I asked him if they were any different INSIDE than the less expensive Armscor models - any better-quality parts? handfitting? factory-smithing? etc. I didn't get a definite reply on that.

Does anybody know ?

And yes, they are rather expensive.

lagriffe
12-16-2005, 11:04
I've personally been inside the room where the medallions are made. Each unit is taken apart, sanded, honed, and either polished or chromed. A fine fit with exceptional smoothness is what you get with the final product. The choice of blue, chrome and the serrations are purely cosmetic preferences. Trigger pull is light and very smooth, couldnt say its weight was though. I have a friend that owned several colt 1911's. He kept those for show and tell but actually prefered his medallion with him for daily carry.

kcboy
12-17-2005, 17:10
how much are the medallions? am thinking of getting a 45...dba mura lang ang armscor?

cznayr
12-17-2005, 17:38
i just phoned a friend from armscor, he said that range of prices is 30K to 75K.. 75K is for the hicap series for .40 and .45.

The internals are diiferent from the standard and he said he could give me a detailed list of the parts. I like the chrome with pachmayr grips.

They will be giving 10-15% dicount on the upcoming gunshow.

For 75K i could have a high end pistol. hmmmm.

I'll post the parts as soon as I obtain the list. Since he is also my kumpare he told me not to buy If they're not offering up to 20% discount. He sail he would give me one. Not bad. They just have to convince me if the price is justified. So far the review have been amazing.

MELBU
12-17-2005, 20:55
Whoa thats expensive!

When i was a newbie in pistol shooting i used to own 2 Armscor
made pistols, one is the hicap .45 and the other an Armscor made
Charles Daly single stack. This is what a noticed in both guns, after
1,500 rnds fired in the armscor hi-cap the slide needs to be re-fitted
worse is the charles daly stainless, the slide rattles after only
1,000 rnds. The barrel link of my Armscor hi-cap broke in just 600 rnds.

I donated my armscor to my friend's farm in batangas and i sold my
charles daly to my pistol newbie uncle.;)

For 75k, I'd buy a Para or Colt.

nrmcolt
12-18-2005, 01:26
For 75k, I'd buy a Para or Colt.
+1

;c

isuzu
12-18-2005, 14:58
Originally posted by MELBU
When i was a newbie in pistol shooting i used to own 2 Armscor
made pistols, one is the hicap .45 and the other an Armscor made
Charles Daly single stack. This is what a noticed in both guns, after
1,500 rnds fired in the armscor hi-cap the slide needs to be re-fitted
worse is the charles daly stainless, the slide rattles after only
1,000 rnds. The barrel link of my Armscor hi-cap broke in just 600 rnds.

Hi!

What was the load rating of your recoil springs and mainsprings of both pistols when they started to rattle? That's quite an accelerated wear on your pistols.

cznayr
12-18-2005, 18:05
Actually, if the internals are made of quality stuff, might go with it.. parang standard na pinacustomized na.. wala nang hussle.. primary consideration on the barrel used..

Pero mukhang okay yung stahl ;f

9MX
12-18-2005, 18:30
Originally posted by cznayr
Actually, if the internals are made of quality stuff, might go with it.. parang standard na pinacustomized na.. wala nang hussle.. primary consideration on the barrel used..

Pero mukhang okay yung stahl ;f

naku, stay away from the stahl, ask eye cutter about it. if i'm not mistaken, alahero owned one once and sold it immediately due to poor performance

jasonub
12-18-2005, 18:40
Originally posted by isuzu
Hi!

What was the load rating of your recoil springs and mainsprings of both pistols when they started to rattle? That's quite an accelerated wear on your pistols.

Cry once, get an svi or sti.

Recoil spring 12.5 ibs ismi
main spring 15 pounds ismi
round count 25,980
age: 2 years
sign of wear: none execept for the owner;f

isuzu
12-18-2005, 18:59
Originally posted by jasonub
Cry once, get an svi or sti.

Recoil spring 12.5 ibs ismi
main spring 15 pounds ismi
round count 25,980
age: 2 years
sign of wear: none execept for the owner;f

I disagree on the signs of wear.;f

MELBU
12-18-2005, 20:20
Originally posted by isuzu
Hi!

What was the load rating of your recoil springs and mainsprings of both pistols when they started to rattle? That's quite an accelerated wear on your pistols.


Stock Armscor spring and parts.

MELBU
12-18-2005, 20:39
Heres a pic of my Rattling Charles Daly from Armscor

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/MELBU/LIVEFIRE/ad30bb8e.jpg

Im looking for my armscor hicap pic pa il post it as soon as i get it.

Anyway no offense to Armscor bros, im just posting based on expercience.


melbu

MELBU
12-18-2005, 20:42
Pic of me firing that darn rattling Armscor CD gun.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/MELBU/LIVEFIRE/fd0d5db6.jpg

jlkwison
12-18-2005, 21:06
I had a medallion and a Gold Cup (GC) trophy and in my experience is as follows:

1. When it comes to accuracy, their both accurate out of the box.

2. The medallion did not JAM even in the break in period. The GC on the otherhand requires a break in since somtimes the bullet won't go in the chamber when you cock it, although the one who bought my GC told me that he fired 300 rounds through it without malfunction.

3. When it comes to the looks department, the Medallion's blue finish is not as beautiful as the GC's, infact it won't even come close to the GC's finish (I'm speaking of my ex-medallion only...others might be better). The same is true with the overall build quality.

4. In the trigger department...this is where I can definitely say that the GC leaves MY EX-MEDALLION in the dust. Compared TO MY EX-MEDALLION, it is very smooth and crisp. The Medallion on the other hand has the "MAYBE IT'L FIRE MAYBE IT WON'T" kind of trigger pull...inshort has creep and not consistent (again, I'm speaking of my ex-medallion). The guys at ex-Northstar even told me that it needed a trigger job so you can imagine how frustrated I was since I expected it to have a very nice trigger as i've come to expect from a supposedly top grade armscor model.

5. The safety of the GC operates on and off solidly while my ex-medallion's thumb safety seems to easily be toggled and is to my opinion slopy.

Conclusion

I liked the medallion's accuracy and reliability (but hey...are'nt run of the mill armscor are like that also!?) but they have to improve on the trigger pull and the looks department (referring again to my ex-medallion). I bought it for 30t and ended up selling it for 11t. In addition, I bought it brand new and was said to have been built recently at the time of purchase but already had rust in it even if it was soaking in oil. The magazines are also...sorry...to be honest...mediocre...since the base plate assembly is so flimpsy I had to check every 20 rounds to see it's about to go. Hopefully, my ex-medallion was a lemon or a prototype. I do not want one bad fruit to ruin the rest.

I liked the GC in all aspects except for the rear sight pin which was a little misaligned (factory deffect, one of the reasons for selling plus the fact that I needed the money). It really out did the my ex-medallion by 100 miles in the looks and trigger area.I want to take note also that the bushing of the GC is really fitted tight to improve accuracy and based on the sample target which it comes with, it is capable of more accuracy than I'm capable of. Lastly, my GC sold for 75t and did not have a hard time selling it. Actually, someone wanted to get it for 95t but the person with the 75t was the first guy I talked to so I had to honor that.

PS

I pointed out to him the misligned rear sight pin...but he did not mind and still payed 75t.

Bottomline

I almost got what I payed for in the Colt GC. Almost (95%) since I can't believe that the rear sight pin was misalinged...I don't know if it was done purposely.

With my ex-medallion...probably I can say I got 50% of my money's worth.

But with regards to my g19...I got every bit of my money's worth hex2 ;)

NOTE:

Please note that what I wrote are my OPINION ONLY due to my experiences with both guns.

antediluvianist
12-18-2005, 21:15
"I bought it for 30t and ended up selling it for 11t"

Don't know how long you owned the Medallion, but if it was just a couple of years or even less, which is my impression from your post, that's pretty bad. Like you wrote, might have been a lemon, but then, QC is part of what we pay all those bucks for.

jlkwison
12-18-2005, 21:28
Originally posted by antediluvianist
"I bought it for 30t and ended up selling it for 11t"

Don't know how long you owned the Medallion, but if it was just a couple of years or even less, which is my impression from your post, that's pretty bad. Like you wrote, might have been a lemon, but then, QC is part of what we pay all those bucks for.

Sir Ante,

Owned it for around 6months before I decided to sell it since I was disappointed that i did not get what was advertised. Nobody wanted to buy it at 25t or even 20t (and to be fair, I felt that if I sold it for 20t, the poor guy/girl might later regret it). Got help from a gun sales guy who sold it for 14t and he got the 3t as commish thats why I ended with 11t (sorry for not detailing how I got 11).

You are right, we also pay for the QC part. Thanks Sir for your comments, I appreciate it. :)

isuzu
12-18-2005, 22:01
Originally posted by MELBU
Stock Armscor spring and parts.

Hmmmmm. Stock Armscor firing pins and mainsprings are quite stiff. The recoil spring is just about right. A friend of mine bought a milspec Armscor from the Armscor dealer in Bacolod two years ago. The dealer has a gunsmith (who also happens to be my gunsmith) from Danao, and he's really good. The first thing he did was to replace the recoil spring with an 18.5 lb conventional extra-power spring (firing pin spring included), the mainspring with 19 lb. rating, all Wolff, and tuned it up (opened up the port, throating, and adjusting the trigger).

The original Armscor firing pin spring is longer than the ones available in the market.

Allegra
12-18-2005, 22:27
Re: Gold cups
If I'm not mistaken , they are target pistols kaya maganda trigger nya
Pero try shooting it w/ a steady diet of major loads , sabi hindi raw tatagal
The combat commander is still my fave single stack ( hehe kulit )

cznayr
12-18-2005, 23:00
hay, i guess i have to stick with my CZ.40s&w muna..

jlkwison
12-19-2005, 07:34
Nowadays...not only does the GC have very nice trigger pulls. The kimber line is also one of the best i've tried...thanks Sir Tigra. :) And of course, any 1911 that has been tuned by a good gunsmith. With regards to the GC, when you buy it, it comes with a light recoil spring for shooting target loads. You'd have to replace it with a 16 or 18.5 lbs recoil spring for major loads. Before I sold mine, I also gave the new owner a wolf recoil spring rated 18.5 lbs and reminded him to use it when using major loads so that the GC would not get battered to an early demise.

Allegra
12-19-2005, 07:49
Originally posted by jlkwison
Nowadays...not only does the GC have very nice trigger pulls. The kimber line is also one of the best i've tried...thanks Sir Tigra. :) And of course, any 1911 that has been tuned by a good gunsmith. With regards to the GC, when you buy it, it comes with a light recoil spring for shooting target loads. You'd have to replace it with a 16 or 18.5 lbs recoil spring for major loads. Before I sold mine, I also gave the new owner a wolf recoil spring rated 18.5 lbs and reminded him to use it when using major loads so that the GC would not get battered to an early demise.


Actually I read it n a magazine
Hindi raw tatagal ang trigger ng GC when fed a steady diet of major loads

bulm540
12-19-2005, 08:43
Originally posted by jasonub
Cry once, get an svi or sti.

Recoil spring 12.5 ibs ismi
main spring 15 pounds ismi
round count 25,980
age: 2 years
sign of wear: none execept for the owner;f
bwa ha ha ha !!!!!

atmarcella
12-19-2005, 10:20
cznayr,
why not build a 1911 from the ground up, just like what mco did, start with an armscor frame and shooters slide, ito pic to wet your appetite:

;f

isuzu
12-19-2005, 17:18
Originally posted by atmarcella
cznayr,
why not build a 1911 from the ground up, just like what mco did, start with an armscor frame and shooters slide, ito pic to wet your appetite:

^c :drool: ;D May I know who set it up?

tigra
12-19-2005, 17:24
Originally posted by jlkwison
The kimber line is also one of the best i've tried...thanks Sir Tigra. :)

No problem, pards;) ;Y

jasonub
12-19-2005, 20:13
i forgot. trigger pull for the entire year is 1.2-1.3 pounds on my setup

atmarcella
12-19-2005, 21:53
Originally posted by isuzu
^c :drool: ;D May I know who set it up?

sir,
col. bayang i think.

kcboy
12-20-2005, 06:05
ganda nung set up. can you put in detail what was put in and the cost to make the armscor look like the one in the pic...

atmarcella
12-20-2005, 06:12
mga bro,
pm nya nalang si mcoliver, sa kanya galing ang pic:)

bulm540
12-20-2005, 07:14
Originally posted by jasonub
i forgot. trigger pull for the entire year is 1.2-1.3 pounds on my setup
whew!!!! that is light.

New_comer
12-20-2005, 09:22
Originally posted by 9MX
naku, stay away from the stahl, ask eye cutter about it. if i'm not mistaken, alahero owned one once and sold it immediately due to poor performance Hello 9MX,

May I know the nature of the poor performance alajero experienced? FTE, FTF, no slide-lock on empty, metal failure, poor accuracy...

I might learn a thing or two on how to tame mine.

cznayr
12-20-2005, 18:59
Originally posted by atmarcella
cznayr,
why not build a 1911 from the ground up, just like what mco did, start with an armscor frame and shooters slide, ito pic to wet your appetite:

;f

atmarcella,

Medyo tinatamad kasi ako at walang oras na magubos ng panahon para magcustomize pa.. I'm about to have my firstborn by March so I think I'd be focusing most of my time on her :) The free time would be spent on the range na

Vault Keeper
12-30-2005, 04:31
Originally posted by cznayr
atmarcella,

Medyo tinatamad kasi ako at walang oras na magubos ng panahon para magcustomize pa.. I'm about to have my firstborn by March so I think I'd be focusing most of my time on her :) The free time would be spent on the range na

Hay Sir cznayr..congrats to the new dad! A happy new year indeed for both of you!

batangueno
12-30-2005, 04:54
Congrats ryan ^c

cznayr
01-02-2006, 17:50
Thank you..

Sa March pa naman daw sabi ng Doc lalabas.. give or take two weeks since this is the first.. invited bogs sa binyag ;f

batangueno
01-02-2006, 19:48
Kapag babae, Czeska. Kapag lalaki, Gaston. ;f

cznayr
01-02-2006, 20:22
Pano mo nahulaan? ;f

Actually ang name eh Franczesca (pronounced Franzhesca) Claire.. Sabi nga mrs. ko eh, papahirapan namin ang bata magspell at mga teachers sa pagpronounce